Various ESB Casts discussion.

[BudaFett]

It’ll be interesting to see HD pictures of the RS helmet and compare to the MCR-ESB.

Regardless, these are the only two helmets that any tree should have on them regarding lineage helmets. Other helmets are considered recasts and continuing discussion on them here is only an advertisement .

 

[Fett 4 Real]

Oh. Ok. To get this "more" right... Can someone tell me more about Gino? Like, what his position at efx was or is? What his skillset is? Is he actually on here? Please forgive if some of those questions are either well known or easily researchable. I have read an extensive amount of threads on here but do not remember reading a lot about him.

Edit: Could we say, he was responsible for the molding? or the molding and the casting? Or the entire project?

Looks like Gino has been banned.... either way he was the Art Director and product development guy at EFX

 

[rubio95]

Looks like Gino has been banned.... either way he was the Art Director and product development guy at EFX

Was this a surprise? He provided RS Props with an original ‘backdoor’ copy.

Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

Over the whore that the ESB Hero has become.

She’s tarnished, y’all. Vultures fighting over scraps....

 

[dynamic1]

Wow! What a mess it has become!

 

[droidbait]

Not exactly, but he owns one of the most amazing life size collections I've ever seen.

I love Ginos scout trooper Gino also let me try on the EFX prototype scout helmet at Celebration. That was really cool.

Looks like Gino has been banned.... either way he was the Art Director and product development guy at EFX

Dang, thats nuts.

 

[boba87fett]

Was this a surprise? He provided RS Props with an original ‘backdoor’ copy.

Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

Over the whore that the ESB Hero has become.

She’s tarnished, y’all. Vultures fighting over scraps....

Why would he get banned for that?

 

[Strider]

How does one get 'banned' from work, lol ? He stopped working for efx 3 years ago afaik. How efx remains in business is a mistery to me anyway.

What surprised me however was that he openly provided that helmet to RS Props. Legally - I'm pretty sure - only efx has the rights or the license to make a copy of that helmet. RS Props however does not need to worry because of different copy right laws in the UK.

 

[Frogfreak]

EDIT.

 

[MachineCraft]

Was this a surprise? He provided RS Props with an original ‘backdoor’ copy.

Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

Over the whore that the ESB Hero has become.

She’s tarnished, y’all. Vultures fighting over scraps....

Hilariously ironic coming from you. Nice pictures of the "MF ROTJ" btw!

 

[Wasted Fett]

Wasted Fett - I'm sure you are correct regarding cracks in fiberglass, but we are talking about a helmet (a boat is much larger) and the crack is in a sensitive spot, especially that it is located at the left temple right next to the T slot. Also this helmet was made in a different style (with fiberglass cloth - possibly made 1st from the 6 helmets) than the rest of the helmets (made with fiberglass chopped strand); this helmet is thinner and its structure weaker, hence the crack and the bulge in the right upper cheek, the wavy brow and possibly the so called flare. More of this in this thread ==> Helmet Flare?.

But polyester and fiberglass is rigid. It doesn’t deform a structure which is why cars and boats are made with it. It’s also a reason why you don’t see all resin boats floating around. I’ll crack a thin helmet. It doesn’t ruin a structure. Even if they accidentally crack it, they would try and realign everything before carefully adding the bondo you see on the helmet. Matte or cloth, doesn’t affect the structure. The structure will remain as is.

 

[KaanE]

When you say he is banned, you mean from eFX or from the forums? I saw him online here one or two days ago.

 

[Frogfreak]

When you say he is banned, you mean from eFX or from the forums? I saw him online here one or two days ago.

If you look on the RPF, he has a big ol, thing on his account that says, BANNED.

 

[KaanE]

Then something has gone through PMs because he was online two days ago. I'm sure.

 

[Frogfreak]

Then something has gone through PMs because he was online two days ago. I'm sure.

it looks as though got banned yesterday afternoon.

 

[boba87fett]

Interesting. I don’t understand why he would get banned for selling RS the helmet. There must be more to the story.

 

[Frogfreak]

Interesting. I don’t understand why he would get banned for selling RS the helmet. There must be more to the story.

Yeah, I really wish I knew why exactly he got booted from the forums.

 

[RamSkirata]

But polyester and fiberglass is rigid. It doesn’t deform a structure which is why cars and boats are made with it. It’s also a reason why you don’t see all resin boats floating around. I’ll crack a thin helmet. It doesn’t ruin a structure. Even if they accidentally crack it, they would try and realign everything before carefully adding the bondo you see on the helmet. Matte or cloth, doesn’t affect the structure. The structure will remain as is.

Dear Wasted Fett and RafalFett ,
not having worked with fiberglass before (at least not in actually laying it down, reparing cracks, etc.), reading your conversation makes both viewpoints seem reasonable and plausible. Wasted, if you dont think, the crack caused the deformation, do you have an alternative theory on what may have caused it?

Also, could it have something to do with storage of the helmet? I aggree in thinking, that cracked fiberglass will just be that: cracked, not changing its shape. But the way the helmet is stored may have an impact on that. Also, the helmets interiour has some weight to it. And with it being cracked, thus no more support in this area, the helmet may suffer a deformation from its own weight pulling it down, although the fiberglass in itself would want to stay in shape.

Do we know how it is stored? like.. just laying without support on a shelf, like I have remember seen it in (old) pictures?

Edit: Rafal and Fett 4 Real , thank you for shedding some light on Ginos role in the efx casting session. I will update the chart soon! Thank you!

 

[RamSkirata]

Minor update to better reflect Ginos role in the casting of the ESB.

Any thoughts on the fiberglass quesion?

 

[KaanE]

I have worked just a few times with moulding and casting using FG but I agree with WF. I do not think that crack could modify heavily the dome.

 

[intwenothor]

I think you should change the wording where there are references to things being legal, official, or unofficial.

The only legal and official thing in this chart is the licensed, plastic helmet and the process it was derived from.

The other things may have been sanctioned by various board members or the administration of the board, or not, as the case may be. That is not the same as being legal or official. That's kind of the point with all of this stuff; the so called grey area within the grey area.