RamSkirata
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Gotcha! I will incorporate that my time tomorrow. Does anyone have a good picture from 2012? I tried to look in the video that EFX did but found nothing usable in there.
Various ESB Casts discussion.
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What the hell happened after ESB filming (right after, because the RotJ stunts already have the crack moulded) so the helmet got that crack on the side. 
Also, it looks almost the same from that picture to nowadays, so all the damage happened before RotJ!
BTW, where did you get that post-ESB picture?
Also, it looks almost the same from that picture to nowadays, so all the damage happened before RotJ!BTW, where did you get that post-ESB picture?
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RafalFett
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It is a scan from a magazine, maybe one of the Star Wars Insiders, I don't remember.
The red ROTJ stunt image is a screencap from this video ==>
intwenothor
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So, I know it has always been a bit of an anomaly, but does the Banzai helmet have that damage cast in. It's been a while since I've seen pictures of it, and most are now deleted from the thread, but I don't remember that being there.
I did save those pictures somewhere so will dig them put if no one else has them to hand, by which I mean; Levi!
I also seem to recall that the Banzai was inconsistent in terms of what distinguishing ESB marks were present. I know the right cheek bulge is there but the right cheek split doesn't seem to be. Obviously the cheek split is present during filming so would that imply that the ESB was copied before filming and in a separate casting session than the one that yielded the Jedi stunts?
I did save those pictures somewhere so will dig them put if no one else has them to hand, by which I mean; Levi!
I also seem to recall that the Banzai was inconsistent in terms of what distinguishing ESB marks were present. I know the right cheek bulge is there but the right cheek split doesn't seem to be. Obviously the cheek split is present during filming so would that imply that the ESB was copied before filming and in a separate casting session than the one that yielded the Jedi stunts?
intwenothor
Well-Known Hunter
Thank you, Steven.
No crack over left temple.
Post paint as the kill stripes are evident.
Cheek bulge but no split..
Brow wave apparent.
No crack over left temple.
Post paint as the kill stripes are evident.
Cheek bulge but no split..
Brow wave apparent.
intwenothor
Well-Known Hunter
I'd love to know the story behind it. It has fascinated me for years. There are so many inconsistencies.
Steven, I seem to recall there being photos of it next to a Jango helmet; have you those also?
I think those pictures tended to suggest that the Banzai was a little on the small side or is my memory playing me false?
Steven, I seem to recall there being photos of it next to a Jango helmet; have you those also?
I think those pictures tended to suggest that the Banzai was a little on the small side or is my memory playing me false?
I believe these are the only ones I have of the Banzai in any quality.
I have to disagree with you on this point, he only announced his cast once his unauthorised recasts with the bristle started to surface and when he did all that was said is "its my helmet, I have contacted admin with the info" no explanation wot so ever. Yesterday's conversation with him explained the missing pieces of the jigsaw and he then tried to legitimize his actions. MC described my comments /opinion as conjecture but the comments by MC himself proved it to be fact.
Fact : MC at some point years ago poured silicone or commissioned vildamort to RECAST his helmet, Tgatcinvikve making a mould and casts, how many is irrelivant. whether for personal gain or monetary is also irrelivant , he by his own admission RECAST something that he didn't sculpt or own the rights to cast. This goes against the moral code and rules that we are expected to all follow. Its ironic that the person he commissioned recast a copy for then recast it himself in MC's words .
CONJECTURE : However we do not know the terms of the transaction, was voldemort allowed to make a copy for himself in payment for the Mould and the subsequent recasts? Who knows? If he was then using MC's reasoning that he owns right to recast his own personal helmet and can do as he wished Voldermort could then make as many copies of his helmet for himself or his friends as he wanted and pass them on to people like WF and MF who bought their copies in good faith. They should both be allowed to sell them on here.
MC in his last conversation with me on the fugly thread tried to legitimise his helmet and his actions by saying that the community is now "benefitting" from his 2nd gen cast but tbh if his recasts hadn't started surfacing we would have never had the choice or known about the MC ESB. And the now bristleless RS incarnation. The helmet would still be the worst kept secret and the rumour copies were floating around would still be going around. Once they did he suddenly claimed ownership and he or "We" as refers to are the right full owners. He has now granted permission for WF to sell the fugly, MC doesn't own the rights to the cast tho he only owned one of the let's say 7 original copies.
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intwenothor
Well-Known Hunter
Dammit! I literally just found them on my drive.
Thanks for posting those up.
I am mistaken. It is clearly the Jango helmet that looks the smaller.
Emperor Fett
Hunter
MCR says he’s selling a 2nd gen helmet, is that not what he’s selling?
Your comment stated that MC has been the most honest and open about his recast , all he told us was that he had given "admins" his claim to the recasts and that was all the info we were privy too. Not very open imo. He may own a copy but it seems from what we have learned in this thread that didn't come from Gino tho.
If we hold all members to the same standards expected in the community he needed to be more transparent. MF was vilified when he announced his ESB hero first and demands for explanations came from all angles. The same demand and validations from those people seem to be adsent from MCs announcement.
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MachineCraft
Active Hunter
And then once people asked questions, I answered them.
As stated before, I did not commission anyone. No one was involved in that process other than myself. If what I did broke the moral code or rules then it would not be allowed here on the boards. Therefore, you are wrong.
No. The individual who recast it did so without my knowing. It is only after hearing whispers of those who bought the initial recasts was I made aware of the situation. Sorry, but the ruling has been made and those in charge do not agree with you.
I appreciate that you can tell me exactly what I would or wouldn't have done in this alternate universe. Care to share any more about my intentions since you know them better than I do?
Sorry you feel that way. Once again, being that their casts are offspring of mine the admins have decided differently.
MachineCraft
Active Hunter
I sent the info to the admins so that they could verify it without having to share my source publicly. The reason that I didn't get the round of questions that MF did when he announced is because I told the truth right from the start. MF lied and said he had an accurate 3D print, which insults the intelligence of people here that know better. Telling the truth from the start generally is received better than outright lying and only changing your story once you get caught. Nothing has changed about my story since the beginning, and it was verified by the Admins who would not put their stamp of approval on it if there was even a tiny bit of doubt.
Publish your info you sent to the admins then. Your dragging MF name trough the mud again but fail to mention WF who recast and rebranded it as the fugly mid way through last year. His explanation is still unanswered, after being promised in F4R's fugly paint up? Why didn't you cease and desist that back then?
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