The Mandalorian Boba helmet derived from Sideshow bust? If so, what changes - Discussion


stormtrooperguy

Sr Hunter
I'm pretty sold on making the new repainted Boba now.

I'm guessing that if anyone in the community had a hand in the armor, they'd have come out with it by now. I need to do a bunch of screen caps to see if "old boba" armor is close to accurate or if it needs to be all new.

I've got the shoes. I've modeled a few versions of gaffi sticks already, so I think I'll have a go at doing the new one. It's more curved than mine, with a lot less wood and a lot more metal.

Fun times to be a Fett.
 

boba87fett

Active Hunter
I'm pretty sold on making the new repainted Boba now.

I'm guessing that if anyone in the community had a hand in the armor, they'd have come out with it by now. I need to do a bunch of screen caps to see if "old boba" armor is close to accurate or if it needs to be all new.

I've got the shoes. I've modeled a few versions of gaffi sticks already, so I think I'll have a go at doing the new one. It's more curved than mine, with a lot less wood and a lot more metal.

Fun times to be a Fett.
You’ll have to choose which scene you want to reproduce as the armor changes multiple times even during the same episodes. Ab plates are longer and shorter. Chest armor shape and size changes from scene to scene as well. Continuity really wasn’t there unfortunately.

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Fettsvette

New Hunter
Also, "the admins know the story and that is what you need to know" is like you have a new product you want to sell in a supermarket and you tell only to the manager what are the ingredients the product is made of, but you wish that your customers will blindly believe that what they are buying is what's been advertised.
Agree with this, I purchased and lurked here for many, many years, ordered helmets and other stuff from vendors but what you speak of is what keeps me just popping on and off from time to time and not joining a lot of discussions. I would say that with the right paint job on a FP or any of the other quality rigs, I am not sure it makes a difference. I would also say that I don't have much use or time for that stuff on the internet, in a fan/creator forum no less.
 

Silverstalker

Active Hunter
Crikey that was an intense read... personally love the direction Fett is going in, I like the mixed kit from past and present and I am building the armour as we speak, research, research, research. The very foundation of this fourm and happy to share everything I have uncovered so far..

The helmet is a sideshow bust as stated, the colour codes? Undetermined. Would imagen they raided the Lucas, archive and got the original paint codes perhaps? Its red......and green with some black should be easy to narrow down over time.... here is a one frame screen grab just as he blows Bib away... brightly lit too.. its a very red, red! Thats for sure.

Cant wait to see peoples interpretation of this kit..
 

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RamSkirata

Hunter
Has anybody seen one of these so called "lineage " TMS2 helmets for sale from Bobafetthascollegedebt on insta ?
very limited images in his Instagram stories of "B grade helmets" (that tbh would qualify as "not worth fixing" in my book... with entire chunks broken out of them).

However... you were able to see that there in fact paint details on the helmet preserved, indicating, that either
1) His mold is off the screen used helmet
or
2) The production team molded the Cobb Vanth variant helmet to have raw casts then with the paint details of that helmet preserved to be able to paint over and have the old paint layers show underneath. His mold could then be one of those molds.
 

Funkyred

Active Hunter
Preferred Vendor
very limited images in his Instagram stories of "B grade helmets" (that tbh would qualify as "not worth fixing" in my book... with entire chunks broken out of them).

However... you were able to see that there in fact paint details on the helmet preserved, indicating, that either
1) His mold is off the screen used helmet
or
2) The production team molded the Cobb Vanth variant helmet to have raw casts then with the paint details of that helmet preserved to be able to paint over and have the old paint layers show underneath. His mold could then be one of those molds.
I have just seen some images on insta, there is no way that helmet is or has any lineage . It's an unaltered recast of the ROTJ sideshow bust helmet , the paint details can clearly be seen on the images and the dent doesn't match either the Cobb Vanth or Boba fresh dent .
 

Halo 1

Well-Known Hunter
You’ll have to choose which scene you want to reproduce as the armor changes multiple times even during the same episodes. Ab plates are longer and shorter. Chest armor shape and size changes from scene to scene as well. Continuity really wasn’t there unfortunately.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the reason why there are 2 different sets was due to the Temuera's Stunt double being a little shorter? He's seen in the Gallery episode when Temuera was working out his unarmed combat moves and the Stunt double [Smaller in stature] was just behind watching. As for this scene, you can just tell that the thrown Boba was a little smaller before the edit and Temuera was back in.
 

RamSkirata

Hunter
I have one of these supposed “lineage” helmets coming. I will take and post high quality photos... as well as confirm directly with my friends at Legacy how “lineage” it really is.
We’ll see.
Thank you again for the effort!
In the meantime, ive seen some hew info that puts ... shall we say .. rather interesting questions to the lineage claim. Very interested in your phots!
 

Mr Guy

Hunter
Thank you again for the effort!
In the meantime, ive seen some hew info that puts ... shall we say .. rather interesting questions to the lineage claim. Very interested in your phots!

I look forward to chatting with you about it. If all goes well, post office says it should be here Saturday.
 

Mr Guy

Hunter
Alright, so the post office came through extra quick and I got this in the mail today. I gave it a quick pass of grey primer and a black wash to try to highlight the paint details that are there.

There is not a single doubt in my mind this is simply a poor recast of a ROTJ sideshow helmet that had the turn signals modified and a sloppy paint job applied.

I asked a Legacy friend directly about the “19” labeling, asked him frankly, hey would you guys ever label a master like this? “No.” Does this look like the Fett you guys did for the show?
“No.”
 

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boba87fett

Active Hunter
Rod seems like a genuinely nice guy based on his IG posts. I don’t get the feeling that he is trying to dupe people. But, I don’t really know him.

Maybe someone sold it to him making that claim and he trusted them? There’s got to be more to the story. Maybe a pre-production prototype or something using a Sideshow helmet?
 

Mr Guy

Hunter
Rod seems like a genuinely nice guy based on his IG posts. I don’t get the feeling that he is trying to dupe people. But, I don’t really know him.

Maybe someone sold it to him making that claim and he trusted them? There’s got to be more to the story. Maybe a pre-production prototype or something using a Sideshow helmet?

I can tell you with absolute certainty this piece has no connection at all to Legacy Effects. None.

As to the question of whether or not he was mislead or he is the one who is lying? Who knows. He’d have to name this “Legacy Artist” he claims he purchased the mold from. All I know is the claim is false. I can also tell you someone changed those turn signals to look more like the Legacy Fett. That was a malicious choice, to deceive. As was the paint job and “19” applied.
 
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RamSkirata

Hunter
I can tell you with absolute certainty this piece has no connection at all to Legacy Effects. None.

As to the question of whether or not he was mislead or he is the one who is lying? Who knows. He’d have to name this “Legacy Artist” he claims he purchased the mold from. All I know is the claim is false. I can also tell you someone changed those turn signals to look more like the Legacy Fett. That was a malicious choice, to deceive. As was the paint job and “19” applied.
VERY Insightful. Thank you a TON.
Those are the first publically available good quality pictures of this cast as far as I know.

Regarding BFHCD or Rod. I am in no position to have an opinion about his honesty or dishonesty. What I do want to throw out there though is, that it seems weird that he doesnt post any pictures of this cast on his IG. Seems odd if youve got a real hit as a product to sell that is unquestionable. Not trying to bad mouth him, just thoughts.

Mr. Guy, could you get more details regarding the REAL show helmet (or helmets) from your contacts at legacy? Confirming what it is and what it isnt, what was done to it etc.?
 

Mr Guy

Hunter
What I do want to throw out there though is, that it seems weird that he doesnt post any pictures of this cast on his IG. Seems odd if youve got a real hit as a product to sell that is unquestionable. Not trying to bad mouth him, just thoughts.

Mr. Guy, could you get more details regarding the REAL show helmet (or helmets) from your contacts at legacy? Confirming what it is and what it isnt, what was done to it etc.?

I completely agree, it is incredibly weird that he doesn’t post photos. I asked several times directly for photos and all he’d send was quick cellphone videos.

I don’t have anything further to share at this time. Hopefully once the Legacy BTS pics come out we can circle back to this topic.
 
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