*SPOILERS* The Book of Boba Fett Discussion

[silver n black]

Mandalorian is acting how boba should off

 

[Steveboski]

I'm not wild about the crime boss stuff still as I don't see the motivation, but as far as episodes of a SW TV show goes, I thought this one was better than the first. I for one was digging the Lawrence of Arabia vibes.

The Hutts were cool, the pikes were cool, and a lot more exciting in general. I totally get that he's not the boba we all know and love, but I'm not hating the show at this point. I remain cautiously optimistic.

 

[Rue1977]

Wow you wrote all that for me.

Oh please, please don’t go, we need a professor in English so we can all be down trodden and belittled, when we make a grammar mistake or spell something wrong.

If not I reckon mumsnet might be more in keeping.

I wish I had time for that but like they say, if you're good at something never do it for free.

So what if he’s 60? There’s plenty of actors over 60 that manage to keep themselves trim and fit. Sounds a tad ageist to me for someone blowing the inclusivity horn.

Harrison Ford is still in decent shape at 79.

Tem isn’t playing an aged old Captain Rex here, he’s meant to be the BEST Bounty Hunter in the Star Wars universe. I couldn’t care less about Tem’s body shape, and he seems like a decent bloke. That said, he’s representing a character now that was not that shape. I’m sure he could’ve made himself more toned if he wanted, but he’s getting paid regardless. It just lacks effort.

I appreciate the argument but you're reaching. I assume it's just as easy for any actor to reach Chris Hemsworth's build? Or does genetics not have anything to do with it anymore?

I’m all for inclusion...the feminist agenda

Hilarious!!!

I hope that the writers see our comments and take it as valuable feedback then hopefully use it to improve the show.
I would like to think they use sources like TDH for super fan feedback.

This is also hilarious! I'm sure they give a colossal **** about super fan whining.

They honestly should have brought in a panel of people from here or Boba Fett fan club to get actual insight into the character

I am so grateful they did not do that. Writing a script by internet committee is an awful idea.

Dear God I can't wait for them to leave this bleepin' tuskan raider story line behind. Jeez.

You'll have to wait for the last episode then as this is the show.

At the 7 minute mark Boba says to the mayor he is NOT a Bounty Hunter.....that says it all for those creative forces behind this character killing series!! They just dont care nor are they interested!

Totally. It's almost like he stopped being a bounty hunter when he emerged from the Sarlacc and never went back.

The female Tusken is Fennick Shand.

I guarantee you are wrong. The tribe is all dead by the time he finds Fennec Shand and decides to find his armor. The Tusken plot is what propels everything else forward.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts, all. The tears are delicious.

 

[GeekdadX7]

Oh Lord…. Leeeeet’s get back on track for the thread. 2 of’ya need to take deep breaths, seriously guys.


That aside, my wife just asked to watch the 2 episodes, but said she has no desire to watch the flashbacks. Np I figured, I’ll just FF in disney plus and skip them, which i’m now calling ‘dances with tuskans’ lol

It actually turns out… I kinda like the show a lot better if you skip the flashbacks lol.

Another interesting tidbit, turns out there is nearly exactly 14 minutes of ‘modern’ fett in both episode 1 and 2.

 

[roger12RAMJET]

I appreciate the argument but you're reaching. I assume it's just as easy for any actor to reach Chris Hemsworth's build? Or does genetics not have anything to do with it anymore?

And just like with every other SJW Shining Knight, here comes the soft bigotry of low expectations. I don’t think comparing genetics of Māori people and White Australians is a good road to go down, so be careful who you spout that garbage to.

There’s loads of Māori actors/stunt people and celebrities that are in a trim shape. You think everyone should just give Temuera an “out” because he’s a POC?

Also your “tears” comment. That shows great mental maturity. Go buy yourself some bright coloured hair dye as reward, if you haven’t already.

 

[Rue1977]

In all honesty, it hadn't occurred to me how using an Australian actor as an example might look, he was simply the first heavily muscular actor that came to mind. I genuinely didn't mean anything beyond that. I don't appreciate being accused of bigotry, but certainly see how you got there now. In my head, I'm comparing body types. My brother in law is a different ethnicity from me and a much more muscular frame I've never been able to achieve, but ethnicity has nothing to do with it as much as body type. But you're right that I should have been smarter with my language and put more thought into explaining my point.

I also have no idea what the hair dye comment means at all. Thank you for pointing out my attitude has sunk though. You're right.

 

[Mythos Fenn]

As much as I ragged on the first episode - the second episode was definitely an improvement, though I would say that isn't much of an accomplishment.

I actually yelled out loud "Now there's Boba Fett!!!" while I was watching it with my wife yesterday when Boba walked into the Mayors office building - stared down the receptionist and then walked past straight into the back room where the major was. Minimal talking - all attitude - all armor. I loved how he kept the helmet one there but thought it was weird that he takes it off immediately when he goes to the casino/bar thing again. He seems very conflicted on his helmet use lol

Also - it just weirds me out how he carries his rifle now. It looks like he's carrying it like someone using a 2-point sling does only there isn't one. Tem just seems to be acting overall very - stiff?

 

[Short4ATrooper]

Tem just seems to be acting overall very - stiff?

I don't think he understands the character but I can't blame all of this on him. How are you supposed to act when it's not clear what your character's motivation is? Why on Earth, after escaping the Sarlacc and avoiding death would you first thought be - "I know! Despite knowing nothing about running a crime family, I'll go be a crime lord! And if I actually tell people that's what I am, that'll help too!" They screwed that entire idea up by having Boba kill Bib Fortuna and take the throne before the series had even started! Make that his goal and spend the season showing me the difficulty of overthrowing an entrenched and far-reaching, interplanetary crime element. Give Boba some (ANY!) motivation for doing so. Even some kind of montage in Ep1 showing him killing various other crime family leaders in increasingly stealthy and cunning ways would've been something, but ever eager to please Disney have given us the payoff and wasted the set up.

Despite being kind to Temuera Morrison by blaming as much as I can on the writing, it's like he's done NO research into this character whatsoever and is just playing him as a generic meat-head. I can actually believe this to be the case because he's not a very good actor. My apologies to Prequel lovers but he's not. Name one other non-Star Wars film, in which he played a character central to the plot - that is worthy of a mention? Maybe there's a reason he doesn't get much work?

Tem only really comes alive during fight sequences and even then, I'm now incredibly bored of his stupid 'fearless-brutish-angry-fighter' face.*

*(while we're on the subject of fighting, can some explain why the galaxy's most feared bounty hunter needs to learn how to use a stick?)

He fails in any scenes that require some actual nuance and depth from him. Hell, Bill Burr - who is primarily a comedian before an actor (and I'm sure he'd agree with that statement), does a far better job in his episode of Mando S2 than anything I've seen from Temuera so far.

 

[Cadet]

I don't think he understands the character but I can't blame all of this on him. How are you supposed to act when it's not clear what your character's motivation is? Why on Earth, after escaping the Sarlacc and avoiding death would you first thought be - "I know! Despite knowing nothing about running a crime family, I'll go be a crime lord! And if I actually tell people that's what I am, that'll help too!"

Except, it was not Boba's first thought upon escaping the Sarlacc to become a Crime Lord. He does not become a Crime Lord until 5 years after escaping the Sarlacc and only after meeting Din and getting his armor back does he begin the process of taking over Jabba's Empire.

I think the whole point of this series is to indeed explain that transition and his motivations for wanting to be a Crime Lord. For my part, after these first two episodes, I think Boba's time with the Tuskens is the key to that. The way this is going I believe that Boba is attempting to become the Daimyo either to protect the Tuskens from the behavior we saw from the Pykes, or to avenge some tragedy that is going to befall this Tribe that he wants to prevent in the future. All we know from Season 2 of The Mandalorian is that for 5 years after escaping the Sarlacc Boba seems content to have lived a Simple Life out in the desert, until after Din recovers his armor from Vanth, then he gets re-invovled in the wider world.

Why does he wait that long? I am confident we will get an explanation as to why he allowed Cobb Vanth to wear the armor and why he only got involved after Din took it in these flashbacks.

The issue seems to be that this is a slow burn on this explanation and people's own expectations are interfering with the story as its being told. The idea that Boba might be motivated to do this because of something that happens to him during his time with the Tuskens. not because he wants to be a crime lord solely for money and power is for many an unexpected take on the character.

 

[Short4ATrooper]

Except, it was not Boba's first though upon escaping the Sarlacc to become a Crime Lord. He does not become a Crime Lord until 5 years after escaping the Sarlacc and only after meeting Din and getting his armor back does he begin the process of taking over Jabba's Empire.

I think the whole point of this series is to indeed explain that transition and his motivations for wanting to be a Crime Lord. For my part, after these first two episodes, I think Boba's time with the Tuskens is the key to that. The way this is going I believe that Boba is attempting to become the Daimyo either to protect the Tuskens from the behavior we saw from the Pykes, or to avenge some tragedy that is going to befall this Tribe that he wants to prevent in the future. All we know from Season 2 of The Mandalorian is that for 5 years after escaping the Sarlacc Boba seems content to have lived a Simple Life out in the desert, until after Din recovers his armor from Vanth, then he gets re-invovled in the wider world.

Why does wait that long? I am confident we will get an explanation as to why he allowed Cobb Vanth to wear the armor and why he only got involved after Din took it in these flashbacks.

The issue seems to be that this is a slow burn on this explanation and people's own expectations are interfering with the story as its being told. The idea that Boba might be motivated to do this because of something that happens to him during his time with the Tuskens. not because he wants to be a crime lord solely for money and power is for many an unexpected take on the character.

You make some fair points, and I don't doubt that you're completely right - I'm sure we will get an explanation of why he decides to be a crime lord and I'm 100% sure it'll be some kind of move to protect the tribe but this is completely contradictory to the character of Boba Fett. I'm sick of redemption stories and I don't want to see Boba Fett wasted on yet another one of these saccharine tropey character arcs.

Not to mention, it makes zero sense. Let's try and put ourselves into Boba's shoes..

You wake up in a Tusken Raider camp after escaping what looked to be certain death in the Sarlacc. You're chained to a post but you manage to escape, only to be beaten and dragged back to camp to be re-restrained. The next day, you're taken to the middle of the desert and forced to dig with your bare hands and refused water. Ambushed by a monster, you have some choices.

a) make your escape while the monster attacks your captor.
b) kill the monster and your captor, then make your escape.
c) kill the monster, save your captor, return to camp with them.

If you choose c, you might need to see a doctor for a possible brain injury. For Boba Fett - the Boba Fett we know of, never, ever, EVER, in a million years would he choose option C. It's the worst case of Stockholm syndrome I think I've ever seen. Add to this, he then goes on to further risk his life to HELP them?! Other nonsenses that occurred to me:

• Who the f*ck would transport anything anywhere ever by TRAIN in the SW universe, let alone through a desert?!
• Are the Tusken Raiders stupid? They literally have an entire desert, just move away from the train's route?
• They're scavengers, are we really to believe they don't know anything about speederbikes?
• How did they ever work out the thing with the lizard crawling up your nose if their heads and faces are covered all the time?

 

[Steveboski]

I think Cadet is right on the money for this. We're looking for motivation for what we saw at the end of mando S2 and the "modern fett" scenes. The point of this show is to give us that motivation over the course of the season.

Regarding redemption arcs, I hear what you're saying and they've become cliche, but I'd also argue that redemption arcs are in the DNA of SW and so from that perspective another rogue, Boba, getting one is hardly out of right field.

I have zero problem with my dude having a change of heart after going through some struggles and losing people, so long as he kicks some serious a$$ along the way lol.

Regarding how he carries his blaster, I carry mine the same way when trooping. I feel like there are a lot of practicalities at play when filming this compared to the 3 minutes of ESB where he mostly just stands there. So he doesn't stand like Jeremy, fine, but I've now seen this boba kick more butt then he did in the OT, so I'll take it.

 

[Rue1977]

I also agree with Cadet. That's why I feel the flashbacks will last until, at least, the penultimate episode, with the final episode paying off everything set up in both periods. I admit I'm a cynic when it comes to plotting, but I expect things to end poorly for the tribe which motivates Boba to finally seek out his armor. The way he appears in the current period shows he is attempting to merge the man he once was with the man he has become because of the Tuskens.

I did not expect to enjoy Tusken scenes nearly as much as I have been. I wasn't sure how to feel about the first episode but not only do I feel the second one is better but I also have a better grasp of what the show is now.

 

[Short4ATrooper]

Regarding redemption arcs, I hear what you're saying and they've become cliche, but I'd also argue that redemption arcs are in the DNA of SW and so from that perspective another rogue, Boba, getting one is hardly out of right field.

I have zero problem with my dude having a change of heart after going through some struggles and losing people, so long as he kicks some serious a$$ along the way lol.

Regarding how he carries his blaster, I carry mine the same way when trooping. I feel like there are a lot of practicalities at play when filming this compared to the 3 minutes of ESB where he mostly just stands there. So he doesn't stand like Jeremy, fine, but I've now seen this boba kick more butt then he did in the OT, so I'll take it.

That’s all very true. I think me and a lot of others are just being impatient and losing sight of what’s right in front of us. I keep forgetting that we have the rest of the series to go still, that being said - it’s only 7 episodes isn’t it? Feels slow to be 2 into it, with nothing new really being added to the story, save for the twin hutt stuff - especially given the fact that Mando’s motivation and purpose (The Child) was introduced at the end of the first episode of The Mandalorian. I will of course keep watching and I can only judge what I’ve seen so far which has not been good to be honest. Story arc, writing e.t.c all aside, just plainly judging the performance and the story that’s been told so far - all pretty meh. But yes, happy to give it some more time and patience.

 

[Rue1977]

Yeah, seems like a lot are discounting the flashbacks altogether and wanting to just move forward with the present day stuff. It may have been a mistake to have the show focus so much on the flashbacks rather than make that it's own season or something. Maybe the rest of the season will have present day scenes just bookend the flashbacks. The Mandalorian flashbacks were far more bite size than this, which makes it seem like this show is really about what led him to his scenes in Mandalorian.

 

[jedisushi]

The issue seems to be that this is a slow burn on this explanation and people's own expectations are interfering with the story as its being told. The idea that Boba might be motivated to do this because of something that happens to him during his time with the Tuskens. not because he wants to be a crime lord solely for money and power is for many an unexpected take on the character.

And here’s the most sensible post yet in this wild thread. Worth reading twice!

 

[RamSkirata]

And here’s the most sensible post yet in this wild thread. Worth reading twice!

Thank you, jedisushi for pointing that out! I've stated before that Disneys canon doesnt do anything for me at all... they killed any interest I could have ever had in it with abandoning the old EU. And the poor quality of the movies (some to more, some to lesser extent) did the rest.
In a way, that allows me a much fresher look at the stories now being told. I have no stakes in this new canon whatsoever. If it turns out to be a good story and entertaining with cool costumes and cool scenes - good. If it turns out to be junk - well... thats just strengthening my position.
When I will get around to watching this new series eventually, I will find out. I'm in no rush...

 

[jedisushi]

We all love Boba Fett and understandably feel some ownership of the character, his mythology, and therefore his path in future storytelling. But that ownership is only in our own heads. He does not belong to us. I think Disney has proven they love doing fan service (e.g. end of Mando S2!), but they're not always going to do what we want them to do or execute it successfully.

It's also possible to critique storytelling, pacing, acting, and other creative or technical aspects of the show at the same time. But it's important not to conflate those concerns with the above.

It's not easy—that's the nature of fandom.

 

[RBF]

Just watched episode II, this show really hits me. I started costuming /cosplaying with Boba Fett. Been here and there since then and now I'm back to Fett.

Just glanced through this thread and it's.... Wow. A forum of Boba Fett fans. Feels more like the actual Sarlacc pit.

I love the character building theyre doing. They break Fett. Then show him to be a really tough guy even without the costume. Then they show just why he wears the black attire etc. Its really good story telling and I love Tem's acting.

This second episode also gave more weight to Boba's return in the Mandalorian.

Watching it with my kids, this is Star Wars: pure magic.

Also... Did I see TK 409 in the end credits? I think his wife made my neckseal before I learned how to sew. Wow

I love Star Wars, I love the Mandalorian, I love Boba Fett. He really was reborn in this show.

Didn't read all comments, so sorry if I rub any one the wrong way but the last place on Earth where I would expect so much sour being poured over a Boba Fett show was like right here.

I'll just post away in my thread for some that might like it. But wow. Shocked.

I'll continue costuming, enjoying the Boba Fett show... And I'll let all sour bags throw their fill out wherever it makes them happy Boba Fett is back! Love it!

 

[Scott Kaufmann]

They probably don't know we exist !

I assure you, “They” certainly do. TDH has been tapped regarding all the previous attempts at Fett related shows/movies. TDH was involved with some aspects of the show but not all unfortunately. I reached out to Rodriguez since I live nearby and we have a mutual friend but he never responded.

 

[GeekdadX7]

RBF, yes, there were 1000% some comment back and forths in this thread that do not belong in this forum.

That said, there are a lot of very valid reasons, points and observations of the characters, story, continuity, etc, that are pretty valid reasons for some members not to view the first 2 episodes as a fantastic, magical show, though we all know it will get better.

You stated you didn’t read all the comments… aNd I don’t blame you, once you get to the poodoo slinging ones lol

But tucked between those posts that took over the thread, unfortunately… were actually pretty good points for wHy some of us aren’t enjoying it as much.

Just because it’s a boba show… and we all like boba, doesn’t mean we can’t view a boba show with a critical eye