Short4ATrooper
Hunter
Exactly. Other people may be able to ignore all the shoddy writing, acting, CGI, sets, e.t.c and “just enjoy it” but I can’t get past it. Maybe I’m stupid, I don’t know anymore.
*SPOILERS* The Book of Boba Fett Discussion
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GeekdadX7
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I have a brother who has loved The Wheel of Time book series since his childhood. He knows the characters, history, motivations, politics, etc in and out. He absolutely loathes and reviles the amazon series with a passion reserved for zombies nazis.
I tried watching the series this past week. I liked the books, but was never gung ho about the characters like he is.
He reviles the amazon series, while I shrug and gloss over all the horrific changes from the book… and they ARE horrific changes. He cannot understand why i keep watching it, knowing how horrible the show is compared to the ‘true’ series. I have told him “yeah… the changes are blatant, make no sense… but if i shut my brain off and choose to overlook all that stuff.. it’s enjoyable”
Conversely… he’s a life long star wars fan, who casually likes boba fett, and told me he REALLY likes TBoBF, and doesn’t understand why i dislike it so much.
I had to tell him “you know how you are so vested in TWOT novels, that every horrible change in the amazon show feels like a betrayel of the characters, setting, and entire mythos of the setting from the books to you?…. That’s what TBoBF is to me when I watch it.
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Steveboski
Hunter
THIS ^^^
Short4ATrooper
Hunter
It’s not so much about that any more for me. I never read any of the EU Boba stuff, or any EU stuff for that matter so I can’t really speak to Boba’s characterisation much - only how it relates to the writing in that so far, we still have no clue why he wants to be a crime Lord, nor have we seen him behave like one. It’s also completely at odds with how he was portrayed in Mando S2 (don’t give me no sarlacc recovery nonsense, the timeline doesn’t fit).
I just can’t see how anyone can watch it and not get that feeling. Forget that it’s Star Wars for a minute, you know that feeling you get when you’re watching a film and it gradually creeps in, you start to think…
“This…this isn’t too good”
But you persevere. After a good hour or so…
“Yeah…this is bad. This is not a good film”
This is the point you would usually turn off but 9 times out of 10, if you see it through to the end you walk away KNOWING that you’ve just seen a piece of sh*t. That’s where I’m at after episode 3, and how anyone can watch any of this series and not get that “I’m watching a piece of sh*t” feeling is what is so confusing. You don’t have to be a film making student or have a degree in scriptwriting to know that this is garbage, you just know. That’s why filmmaking is so hard, because when it’s done right - a good movie is a good movie without having to explain why.
That’s not to say you can’t explain what makes a good movie, of course you can and I’d be happy to bet good money that everything on that list of what makes a good movie good, is exactly what’s missing from BoBF.
Coincidence?
ShortFuse
Well-Known Hunter
Exactly
ShortFuse
Well-Known Hunter
Yeah. Even if I didn’t know anything about Boba Fett or Star Wars for that matter, this isn’t good story telling on any level.
Ord Mantell
Well-Known Hunter
they now refer to this phenomenon in film school curricula as the 'Jar Jar Binks moment.'
Short4ATrooper
Hunter
Just watched ep. 4. Found it a lot better. Still some questionable decisions being made by Mr. Fett but this should’ve been the first episode. Much better.
Haloax44
New Hunter
The best episode of the 4 by far. However I really think fett should've been the one to drop that seismic charge as a "**** you" to the pit for making him look like a fool for almost 40 years.
I'd also like to mention. Unless I missed it. He didn't wear the helmet at any point in the episode. It still doesn't feel right.
I'd also like to mention. Unless I missed it. He didn't wear the helmet at any point in the episode. It still doesn't feel right.
Short4ATrooper
Hunter
Same, re: the sarlacc. he still comes across as pretty incompetent for most of the episode. The ‘rat-catcher’ bit was a little silly, and all the mod-parlour stuff was waaaay out of universe (again!)
Whilst killing the biker gang was more in character, it still sits a little odd with me that they spent so long on the Tuskens, set up a whole conflict with the biker gang, only to have Boba just destroy them with Slave 1. The Pykes have shown hardly any threat whatsoever and yet they’re being set up as the main antagonists for the whole season. Weird.
Other than that, all in all a pretty good episode and I loved the tease at the end that I’m pretty sure we’ll get Mando for ep. 5. Come on Mando, show old man Fett how it’s supposed to be done!
CGClone
Active Hunter
Was just wondering that myself. "You crawled out with it? The Jawas raided you, bruh. You remember the Tuskens saving you."I’m not sure why he thought his armor was still inside the Sarlacc. Doesn’t he remember digging himself out with it on? Maybe not.
Or it was just a good excuse to set up an action sequence.
I wonder if Favreau mansplains this.
GeekdadX7
Active Hunter
This could have been episode 1, starting off with him happening upon fennic, saving her, explaining how he got out of the pit and the sand people saved him... without spending 2 episodes on it and it would have been a much better bleeping series. It could have been kept semi-mysterious backstory, hearing about how he escaped from the sarlaac pit and was saved by the tuskans. Didn't need to spend 2.5 episodes on it.
But, parts of contention..
Bib Fortuna is in charge and boba fett has been 'dead' for 5 years.
Wtf does he keep a dead guy's ship in his dock for 5 years without selling it or something, and keeping it in good repair/working condition... and it's the only ship in the hangar.
And as other people have said.... yeah.... why the frack would Boba say "the sarlaac pit.... in there... that's where I'll find my armor.."
When as stated above... HE FOUGHT OUT OF THE SARLAAC PIT... WHILE WEARING HIS ARMOR!!!! He got to the surface wearing his armor. Then he wakes up with tuskans and no armor. He'd know he came out of the pit with it on... he'd know the tuskans didn't take it.. and they'd have told him he was stripped of armor before they found him. *facepalm*
But regardless... this should have been the 1st or 2nd episode.
But, parts of contention..
Bib Fortuna is in charge and boba fett has been 'dead' for 5 years.
Wtf does he keep a dead guy's ship in his dock for 5 years without selling it or something, and keeping it in good repair/working condition... and it's the only ship in the hangar.
And as other people have said.... yeah.... why the frack would Boba say "the sarlaac pit.... in there... that's where I'll find my armor.."
When as stated above... HE FOUGHT OUT OF THE SARLAAC PIT... WHILE WEARING HIS ARMOR!!!! He got to the surface wearing his armor. Then he wakes up with tuskans and no armor. He'd know he came out of the pit with it on... he'd know the tuskans didn't take it.. and they'd have told him he was stripped of armor before they found him. *facepalm*
But regardless... this should have been the 1st or 2nd episode.
Cadet
Active Hunter
I am seeing a lot of people here and other places latching onto the idea of Boba thinking his armor is in the Sarlacc as a Plot hole or bad writing since he was seen escaping with it in his dream in Episode 1.
It's tricky, though, because we are being shown Boba having these dreams after he has already recovered his armor and, assumedly, learned the history of how it went from him to the Jawas to Vanth to Din. So, he must understand that he would have had it when he escaped, so when he dreams or thinks about it now, he acknowledges how it happened now that he knows the details in the present.
That doesn't change the fact that when it occurred in the past he might have been confused or didn't remember exactly how it happened and for a long time truly believed he lost his armor in the Sarlacc, until failing to find it and setting out to look for it.
So, I'm not sure I see where the contradiction or issue is? Present day Boba, in the Bacta tank, now knows the whole story, yes, however, Nomad Boba who just rescued Fennec did not know. He is thinking about, remembering, or dreaming about a time when he did not know. So, if Boba is remembering or dreaming about the past, it would not change the past. Let's say Din told him Vanth's story about getting the armor off the Jawas, so, Boba now realizes he came out in his armor and Jawas took it. So, when he thinks about that time (Episode 1 Flashback), he now has the image in his head of him getting out wearing the armor. However, when he thinks back to first meeting up with Fennec (Episode 4 flashback), he didn't remember or know what happened, so in his memories he is still looking for it, because that is what happened.
Like I said, it's tricky because We're being given a 3rd person, cinematic, visual representation of Boba's dreams. They are balancing showing the audience what they know from Mando Season 2, with Boba's own experiences. Perhaps in Boba's "real" dream at that moment it is a blurry, hazy fog of blinding sun and strange eyes and hands running over him. But, it is kind of hard to get that experience across on the screen. Plus, that real confused memory might be the impetus of the Jawa eyes in his Vision quest. He remembers the Jawa eyes over him, but doesn't remember what they did.
Plus, they’re dream sequences anyway, the perfect place for an unreliable narrator…
It's tricky, though, because we are being shown Boba having these dreams after he has already recovered his armor and, assumedly, learned the history of how it went from him to the Jawas to Vanth to Din. So, he must understand that he would have had it when he escaped, so when he dreams or thinks about it now, he acknowledges how it happened now that he knows the details in the present.
That doesn't change the fact that when it occurred in the past he might have been confused or didn't remember exactly how it happened and for a long time truly believed he lost his armor in the Sarlacc, until failing to find it and setting out to look for it.
So, I'm not sure I see where the contradiction or issue is? Present day Boba, in the Bacta tank, now knows the whole story, yes, however, Nomad Boba who just rescued Fennec did not know. He is thinking about, remembering, or dreaming about a time when he did not know. So, if Boba is remembering or dreaming about the past, it would not change the past. Let's say Din told him Vanth's story about getting the armor off the Jawas, so, Boba now realizes he came out in his armor and Jawas took it. So, when he thinks about that time (Episode 1 Flashback), he now has the image in his head of him getting out wearing the armor. However, when he thinks back to first meeting up with Fennec (Episode 4 flashback), he didn't remember or know what happened, so in his memories he is still looking for it, because that is what happened.
Like I said, it's tricky because We're being given a 3rd person, cinematic, visual representation of Boba's dreams. They are balancing showing the audience what they know from Mando Season 2, with Boba's own experiences. Perhaps in Boba's "real" dream at that moment it is a blurry, hazy fog of blinding sun and strange eyes and hands running over him. But, it is kind of hard to get that experience across on the screen. Plus, that real confused memory might be the impetus of the Jawa eyes in his Vision quest. He remembers the Jawa eyes over him, but doesn't remember what they did.
Plus, they’re dream sequences anyway, the perfect place for an unreliable narrator…
ShortFuse
Well-Known Hunter
When you have to make up convoluted reasons and excuses to make sense of the story, it only goes on to further prove that the story telling in this series is garbage.
