*SPOILERS* The Book of Boba Fett Discussion

[Short4ATrooper]

If there’s a lesson to be learned from this Disney:

Leave OT characters ALONE.

Mando showed there is appetite and potential for new stories and new characters. Yes, Mando had the big Luke cameo that I feel was done perfectly. The CGI was a little janky but the treatment of the character and the amount of screen time was perfect. Stick to that.

 

[B0BA FETT]

My favourite Disney character was Maleficent from the original. They made her into a goodie goodie, that what’s they do. When Star Wars was sold to Disney it was the start of it all going wrong!

 

[Steveboski]

When Star Wars was sold to Disney it was the start of it all going wrong!

I'm not so sure. Lucas made some seriously odd choices with the PT, and since its gone to Disney, some of the content has been fantastic (Rogue One, The Bad Batch, Mando). It's been really hit and miss since the OT. I remember walking out of the theater after phantom menace feeling exactly the way I did after episode 3 of BoBF, really confused why something I liked so much was so bad. I walked out of Rogue One elated.

 

[Short4ATrooper]

I'm not so sure. Lucas made some seriously odd choices with the PT, and since its gone to Disney, some of the content has been fantastic (Rogue One, The Bad Batch, Mando). It's been really hit and miss since the OT. I remember walking out of the theater after phantom menace feeling exactly the way I did after episode 3 of BoBF, really confused why something I liked so much was so bad. I walked out of Rogue One elated.

The more involvement George Lucas has, the worse Star Wars is. I got the Star Wars Archives book not long ago and it goes into a lot of detail from the conception of ANH all the way through to ROTJ and honestly, 90% of what we love about Star Wars - all the best ideas did not come from George. The original story for ANH was terrible.

So it’s no surprise that the PT turned out as bad as it did. I hate the PT with a passion and just choose not to acknowledge it as canon. It’s a shame because I know so many people rave about The Clone Wars series but I hate the style of that whole prequel era. Clone Troopers look stupid, the whole lived-in feel of the OT just disappeared, it’s not Star Wars.

Like you, I enjoyed Rogue One and it felt like real Star Wars again (aside from the new TK armour) and I wasn’t a fan of the “I am one with the force” blind Jedi guy but overall I loved it.

Likewise with Mando. What they’ve done to Boba though is just…

 

[B0BA FETT]

I'm not so sure. Lucas made some seriously odd choices with the PT, and since its gone to Disney, some of the content has been fantastic (Rogue One, The Bad Batch, Mando). It's been really hit and miss since the OT. I remember walking out of the theater after phantom menace feeling exactly the way I did after episode 3 of BoBF, really confused why something I liked so much was so bad. I walked out of Rogue One elated.

I agree with roque one, the last 10 minutes where awesome.

Mando is new, and about the best thing they have done, you still know it’s Disney though! but it’s what they have done to the OT and it’s characters.

Stare wars to me will always be the OT. I have only watched all the others once, albeit the last 10 minutes of Roque one, which I’ve seen a few times.

 

[B0BA FETT]

The more involvement George Lucas has, the worse Star Wars is. I got the Star Wars Archives book not long ago and it goes into a lot of detail from the conception of ANH all the way through to ROTJ and honestly, 90% of what we love about Star Wars - all the best ideas did not come from George. The original story for ANH was terrible.

So it’s no surprise that the PT turned out as bad as it did. I hate the PT with a passion and just choose not to acknowledge it as canon. It’s a shame because I know so many people rave about The Clone Wars series but I hate the style of that whole prequel era. Clone Troopers look stupid, the whole lived-in feel of the OT just disappeared, it’s not Star Wars.

Like you, I enjoyed Rogue One and it felt like real Star Wars again (aside from the new TK armour) and I wasn’t a fan of the “I am one with the force” blind Jedi guy but overall I loved it.

Likewise with Mando. What they’ve done to Boba though is just…

The clown wars at Cartoons right? I am not watching Cartoons.

 

[Short4ATrooper]

The clown wars at Cartoons right? I am not watching Cartoons.

Exactly. It’s a kids show

 

[B0BA FETT]

Exactly. It’s a kids show

Im beginning to think my expectations where to high, and the BOBF is and was always aimed at young children.

 

[stormtrooperguy]

it makes sense that star wars content is aimed at children... they are the ones most likely to buy the toys, playsets, cheap costumes, etc...

that's not new though. i mean... ewoks. tell me they weren't designed to sell plushies

i think it's logical that they are going to design content for those that will spend the money on movies, streaming, etc... the people here saying they don't watch animation or new movies: they are not making star wars for you, because you don't give them enough money for it to be worth it.

i loved rogue one. it was an awesome movie, one of my top favorites in the saga. but it wasn't great for merchandise. the story was too dark for many kids, and everyone dies. k2 is awesome, but he's nowhere near as lovable (and sellable) as bb-8 or d-0

 

[B0BA FETT]

We do know that, but wouldn't it be nice if they could do just this Boba Fett series for the fans!

 

[Short4ATrooper]

it makes sense that star wars content is aimed at children... they are the ones most likely to buy the toys, playsets, cheap costumes, etc...

that's not new though. i mean... ewoks. tell me they weren't designed to sell plushies

i think it's logical that they are going to design content for those that will spend the money on movies, streaming, etc... the people here saying they don't watch animation or new movies: they are not making star wars for you, because you don't give them enough money for it to be worth it.

i loved rogue one. it was an awesome movie, one of my top favorites in the saga. but it wasn't great for merchandise. the story was too dark for many kids, and everyone dies. k2 is awesome, but he's nowhere near as lovable (and sellable) as bb-8 or d-0

Technically the kids don’t buy anything, the parents do but I get your point and obviously we all know this but have kids become more stupid then? Because the original trilogy had no problem appealing to kids and adults so why do we now have to excuse absolute rubbish by claiming it was made for kids? It was the same with the prequels, it’s always the same defence “ThEy’Re KiDs MoViEs!”

Yea, kids just loved trade disputes, treaties and senate debates!

Anyway, I digress…

Disney is worth 93 billion dollars, there is no reason they don’t have the resources to secure the absolute best talent to craft a smart and exciting story that pleases old fans whilst appealing to new.

The fact is that they’ve rushed this out to fill a gap before Mando S3.

 

[Rue1977]

I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone else mention their eye twitching when the flashbacks ended with a replay of Boba shooting Bib Fortuna in his Mandalorian Season 2 costume, then they cut to a shot of him wearing his BOBF costume like it was the same scene.

 

[Steveboski]

do but I get your point and obviously we all know this but have kids become more stupid then?

I'd say that kids aren't dumber, nor have they asked for less interesting content. Rather, the industry has become much much more puritan about what's considered acceptable for children's shows. When we were kids, the movies we were allowed to watch were much more adult in nature, and our tastes were shaped by that. When you grow up on blues clues, then you age into avatar (which is great btw) while our generation was watching blues brothers, alien, and Ghostbusters, then obviously we'll have different tastes.

 

[Short4ATrooper]

I'd say that kids aren't dumber, nor have they asked for less interesting content. Rather, the industry has become much much more puritan about what's considered acceptable for children's shows. When we were kids, the movies we were allowed to watch were much more adult in nature, and our tastes were shaped by that. When you grow up on blues clues, then you age into avatar (which is great btw) while our generation was watching blues brothers, alien, and Ghostbusters, then obviously we'll have different tastes.

That’s very true.

 

[Rue1977]

I'd say that kids aren't dumber, nor have they asked for less interesting content. Rather, the industry has become much much more puritan about what's considered acceptable for children's shows. When we were kids, the movies we were allowed to watch were much more adult in nature, and our tastes were shaped by that. When you grow up on blues clues, then you age into avatar (which is great btw) while our generation was watching blues brothers, alien, and Ghostbusters, then obviously we'll have different tastes.

I get all that but that's really up to the parents isn't it? My kids have all seen Ghostbusters and one saw Alien and Aliens (along with the first couple Predator movies, Die Hard...I forget what else). One night we were watching The Conjuring and the kids ended up coming in and watching almost the entire thing with us then got thrilled to learn there were more. I saw no uptick in nightmares but I also try to be more receptive to questions during than my dad ever was for stuff like that, heh. Especially when they start seeing more "adult" situations. I think my kids also lessen a lot of potential fright by asking a lot of BTS stuff. How did they do that scary part etc. But I do agree that society as a whole is probably far more puritan than how I grew up and how I'm raising my kids.

 

[stormtrooperguy]

We do know that, but wouldn't it be nice if they could do just this Boba Fett series for the fans!

But what "Fans" are you speaking of? The hardcore fans of a bit part character in a 40 year old movie isn't really much of a demographic to cater to. Those of us here have taken Boba to an unhealthy level of obsession for years now, but I don't think there are enough of us to make a show like that financially practical.

 

[stormtrooperguy]

Yea, kids just loved trade disputes, treaties and senate debates!

My kid thought Jar Jar was awesome. He was her favorite part of any of if.

She's 10 now. I tried to get her to watch the OT a couple of years ago and she thought it was slow moving and boring. She won't go near it today.

 

[Short4ATrooper]

But what "Fans" are you speaking of? The hardcore fans of a bit part character in a 40 year old movie isn't really much of a demographic to cater to. Those of us here have taken Boba to an unhealthy level of obsession for years now, but I don't think there are enough of us to make a show like that financially practical.

You say that, but think about it in terms of the platform. Disney+ is a subscription service, it doesn’t work like regular TV - there’s no ad revenue so ‘ratings’ don’t matter. The programming is supposed to drive new subscriptions and retain existing ones.

Those ‘hardcore’ fans you speak of may have signed up to Disney+ Some time ago for Mando so Disney really should’ve considered that fan base if they had any interest retaining those subscriptions.

With the sheer number of streaming services available now, It’s common practice for people to sign up for a service just for a particular show, then cancel their subscription until it comes back for another season sometimes 2 years later.

From what I can tell, the reason BoBF is out now is to fill a hole until the next season of Mando - therefore giving those fans a reason to stay subscribed.

Obviously there’s also an element of trying to lure in new subscribers but if you alienate original fans in the process then what’s the point? You’re robbing Peter to pay Paul.

BoBF is just bad. We’re all trying to come up with reasons why (myself included) and I understand because it is frankly, baffling but it’s just not good. I’m not sure there’s any reasoning beyond the. All involved dropped the ball, misjudged the tone, and just royally f**ked it.

 

[Short4ATrooper]

My kid thought Jar Jar was awesome. He was her favorite part of any of if.

She's 10 now. I tried to get her to watch the OT a couple of years ago and she thought it was slow moving and boring. She won't go near it today.

I don’t actually find Jar Jar that annoying. In fact, I find C3PO FAR more aggravating, and as a self confessed OT loyalist, that’s quite a statement! Jar Jar is far from the worst thing about the prequels.

 

[stormtrooperguy]

Obviously there’s also an element of trying to lure in new subscribers but if you alienate original fans in the process then what’s the point? You’re robbing Peter to pay Paul.

BoBF is just bad. We’re all trying to come up with reasons why (myself included) and I understand because it is frankly, baffling but it’s just not good. I’m not sure there’s any reasoning beyond the. All involved dropped the ball, misjudged the tone, and just royally f**ked it.

I really don't think the number of subscribers alienated is all that high. Sure there are a few hundred people complaining online about it, but is that really enough to turn the ship that is Disney?

Most of my friends that like Star Wars but aren't as intense about as we are here have been enjoying it. There have been moments that are cringeworthy, but overall it's been fun.

Personally: I'm 46 years old. I've been a Star Wars fan since I was a kid. Over the years I've dropped tens of thousands of dollars on Boba Fett related stuff. I get excited to watch it every week, and I am collecting parts to make the costume from it. In fact, the Book of Boba costume is my favorite Boba look -- I like his costume more than any of the OT revisions.

This reminds me of people complaining about Galactic Starcruiser: People saying the dropped the ball, they screwed up, etc... but people are still spending money on it