Fett from 1986


terminal fettler

Active Hunter
Apologies for the awful quality, this was a similarity that stood out between the Banzai/ESB Hero but i'm not seeing this on the stunts? its the chips and slight angle change as the lower L/H cheek meets the L/H ear...

Screenshot_1.png


Screenshot_2.png
 

Art Andrews

Community Founder
Community Staff
Keep this in mind. The way the helmets are generally cast is with the helmet upside down, so the bottom edge is most likely to be raw and sanded... You see differences on the bottom edges with every helmet. I wouldn't put a lot of consideration into the fact that the bottom edges don't line up.
 

terminal fettler

Active Hunter
I disagree with you there sir!...:) Its a logical step that the original was sat on a 'skirt' or collar prior to molding which would result in less clean up work from the mold...The feature i pointed out would be similar between helmets from the same mold but the detail may disappear due to over finishing...
 

Art Andrews

Community Founder
Community Staff
I disagree with you there sir!...:) Its a logical step that the original was sat on a 'skirt' or collar prior to molding which would result in less clean up work from the mold...The feature i pointed out would be similar between helmets from the same mold but the detail may disappear due to over finishing...

Not sure where we are disagreeing there... As you said and I thought I said, the detail of the bottom can change due to finishing, even if a skirt is involved... unless I am not understanding the detail you are pointing to.
 

terminal fettler

Active Hunter
:lol:Now you're just confusing me?
What i mean is the bottom edge is part of the mold and faithfull to the original. It would n't take much to remove this detail from over zelous finishing, but it's presence can only mean a match in origin, i think?
 

Tyler Durden

Well-Known Hunter
While a few marks on the stripe area match up well, none of the major marks below it match up at all. The left cheek scratch is different. The "crack" on the right cheek is missing (clear on the stunt and ESB). And I haven't found a single marking "below the brow" that matches up.
 

Art Andrews

Community Founder
Community Staff
Tyler,

I just want to absolutely refuse to believe that this helmet is some sort of amalgam but I am with you and agree that at this point I can't find anything below the brow that matches either the ESB or the stunts although as I think we have pretty clearly demonstrated, the dome appears to be a Casting (direct or indirect) of the ESB hero. The two stunts in the archive match each other and match the post-filimg ESB in the cheek areas, but the Banzai matches neither... nor have I been able to match it to any other helmet at this point. I still stand by the simplest explanation that this helmet is a casting of the ESB, liek the stunts, but I can't account for the differences in the lower half.
 

terminal fettler

Active Hunter
On the ESB hero R/H lower cheek/upper junction there is a slight over/under masking lap. There is a crisp line that disappears at approx the same spot as on Banzai's helmet...

Screenshot_4.png


Screenshot_3.jpg
 

SingleSeat

Active Hunter
On the ESB hero R/H lower cheek/upper junction there is a slight over/under masking lap. There is a crisp line that disappears at approx the same spot as on Banzai's helmet...

I'm not following...what do you mean? Where do I look and what do I look for?

*edit. If you mean the irregularity between the trailing edge of green cheek as it meets the "black," it appears that stunt #1 has the same irregularity.
 
Last edited by a moderator:

never ending fett

Active Hunter
Tyler,

I just want to absolutely refuse to believe that this helmet is some sort of amalgam but I am with you and agree that at this point I can't find anything below the brow that matches either the ESB or the stunts although as I think we have pretty clearly demonstrated, the dome appears to be a Casting (direct or indirect) of the ESB hero. The two stunts in the archive match each other and match the post-filimg ESB in the cheek areas, but the Banzai matches neither... nor have I been able to match it to any other helmet at this point. I still stand by the simplest explanation that this helmet is a casting of the ESB, liek the stunts, but I can't account for the differences in the lower half.


just a thought here and I could be WAAAY off, but something to throw into the mix: It could be wrong, but still lead one of you guys into a new train of thought that could lead to something right.

Here goes: follow me and let me know if I'm making any sense at all

The Banzain (or the 3rd stunt the Banzain was cast from) was cast from the ESB hero before what we now call stunt 1 and stunt 2. Now here's where the fun comes in: Additional damage was done to the ESB hero through mishandling or caused in the casting process of making the Banzai or making other unknown casts. Now with this added damage the ESB hero was cast again to make Stunt 1 and stunt 2. which accounts for the similarity to the ESB hero above the brow and differences below the brow.

(y) or (n) ?
 

Spideyfett

Well-Known Hunter
Thats it...
I see what you mean TF...great Eye..(y)

and I'm getting all girly like with all the new comparisons...especially the killstripe thing..(y)

One question I have is, why would the Killstripes on Banzi's be so prominant and defined like the hero....??? if his was taken from a stunt, then wouldn't the stunts "Paint" marks over power what was pulled from the hero??...to me, Banzi's helmet would have a better chance of having paint markings of the repainted stunt, and less of the hero's paint markings.....just thought I'd throw that out there. :)

BTW, this is all cool Stuff.(y)
 

Art Andrews

Community Founder
Community Staff
You are definitely thinking there and it certainly is no crazier than some of the stuff Tyler and I have batted around today. However, the dome on Banzai's clearly shows details that weren't present until after filming, however, on the lower section of the helmet, there are details that aren't present that were there DURING filming. I think that kinda takes out this possibility.



just a thought here and I could be WAAAY off, but something to throw into the mix: It could be wrong, but still lead one of you guys into a new train of thought that could lead to something right.

Here goes: follow me and let me know if I'm making any sense at all

The Banzain (or the 3rd stunt the Banzain was cast from) was cast from the ESB hero before what we now call stunt 1 and stunt 2. Now here's where the fun comes in: Additional damage was done to the ESB hero through mishandling or caused in the casting process of making the Banzai or making other unknown casts. Now with this added damage the ESB hero was cast again to make Stunt 1 and stunt 2. which accounts for the similarity to the ESB hero above the brow and differences below the brow.

(y) or (n) ?
 

Art Andrews

Community Founder
Community Staff
One question I have is, why would the Killstripes on Banzi's be so prominant and defined like the hero....??? if his was taken from a stunt, then wouldn't the stunts "Paint" marks over power what was pulled from the hero??...to me, Banzi's helmet would have a better chance of having paint markings of the repainted stunt, and less of the hero's paint markings.....just thought I'd throw that out there. :)

I see where you are going with this and you might not be too far off. It is possible that you are seeing a direct casting from the ESB helmet. However, it appears the stunts were completely topically painted and their paint detail might not show up as easily if one were recast. Another possibility is, if you believe their might be a third stunt, perhaps it was never painted at all, and simply later recast to make the Banzai. Just a lot of unknowns and a lot of possibilities. I am still stuck on why the dome is clearly ESB derived but seemingly all of the markings on the lower section are missing.
 

never ending fett

Active Hunter
You are definitely thinking there and it certainly is no crazier than some of the stuff Tyler and I have batted around today. However, the dome on Banzai's clearly shows details that weren't present until after filming, however, on the lower section of the helmet, there are details that aren't present that were there DURING filming. I think that kinda takes out this possibility.

It took me a couple of times reading that to work out what you were saying.

So there's details there on the dome from damage from after filming
but.......
there's details missing below the dome that were there during filming

:confused:confused:confused:confused

that just doesn't make sense....how, (without time displacement :lol:) could that have happened?
 
Top