Airbrush paint types for bucket/armor work, acrylic or enamel?!! Thoughts?

mainst69

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Hey all you paint masters out there, I know I bug you individually via PM from time to time, but I'd like input from the big dogs on what paint types work best for what we do here. I'm new to airbrushing and realize the basic differences (ease of clean up, fast dry time etc.) but is one type better for the look we all strive for (screen accurate bad@$$ness)?

Paint noob here appreciating any and all input and suggestions.

Thanks,
Main
 
Acrylic is much easier to clean up. No doubts at all. The originals are believed to have been painted with Floquil enamels and/or Pollyscale acrylics to the best of my knowledge so if striving for accuracy you should try to track those down I guess (correction welcome). Sadly these are no longer made so you'll be chasing old stock but I can't see how these should be viewed as any less important than any other 'found part'.
 
I'm concerned as far as shade/pigment or whatever the correct "paint term " is for color, lol. I'm trying to approach my build with this mindset: what would a prop guy for a movie prop house commissioned to build a new Fett costume (for an upcoming movie, perhaps?) use that is available today? Would it be worth the time and effort scouring e-bay for discontinued Floquils and or Polyscales or would he just color match as best as possible using paints currently available?
So, my goal is to analyze colors used (and not so much brands per se) and to come up with options that would pass a discerning eye (Superjedi, DVH, Terminal Fettler, SpideyFett, etc.) and hopefully not just pass but be on target, but using currently produced options.
that's the goal anyway.
Thanks for the input, intwenothor, your knowledgebase and opinions are always appreciated.
How about it guys? Anyone care to spread some know-how around for me?!
 
Well, the floquils and pollyscale can still be had but I find it more likely that someone starting from scratch would use current stock items. To my understanding Floquil and Pollyscale were both Testors lines and Testors still do the Model Masters series with some of the colours being the same or very similar (Panzer Olive Green 1943 as an example) but I think that the Terminal Fettler Humbrol list is pretty awesome and many a great paintup use those colours. They're cheap and easy to get hold of.
 
Andy is pretty much on point with everything he's said so far. I started off using Terminal Fettlers list and then tweaked things as we learned more about the colors. I mostly use humbrols but i have a bunch of floquils and Model Masters paints as well. Since ive pretty much stopped painting for the most part now, i dont look as hard as i used to, but I would search for the floquils on e-bay and usually try and snag the colors we use as i can because i tended to like the floquils better..because, well, they flow better haha. I think they have a higher pigment load with a thinner solvent. The humbrols need to be thinned. I use a combination of Humbrols, Floquil, Model Masters and Tamayia. I also try and match the floquil colors with custom mixes of the other brands because i know eventually some colors will just be gone. Reefer yellow is a good example of one (i use that for the base color for the shoulders and knees) but its getting to the point where i just cant find it in enamel anymore. i have 1 bottle left at this point lol. You can use humbrol 154, but that color seems a bit more "soft" or creamy"... if that makes any sense, lol compared to the vibrancy of the Floquil Reefer Yellow. But its very close and with weathering its hard to tell the difference.

Testors bought Floquil/Polyscale sometime around 2011 or 2012 i think..im a bit hazy on the exact timing..but i do know in 2013 they decided to discontinue the lines and mesh some of the colors into their Model masters line. The problem is the names werent always kept the same, so its like starting all over again searching for colors.

There are some shots of helmets being painted and you can see the floquil and pollyscale bottles. There is no way to be 100% sure if it was enamels or acrylics being used. But my guess is enamels as i recall seeing thinners on the table in some shots. i'll try and find some of the pics im speaking of.

I like using enamels as i fell the final result is a more matt finish where it seems the acrylics tend to be a little too satiny for my taste. Im sure there must be a claercot acrylic that can remedy that, but i always liked the enamels better, so thats what i used.
 
here is one of the pics..i cant seem to find the others right now, but you get the idea :)
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Well, the floquils and pollyscale can still be had but I find it more likely that someone starting from scratch would use current stock items. To my understanding Floquil and Pollyscale were both Testors lines and Testors still do the Model Masters series with some of the colours being the same or very similar (Panzer Olive Green 1943 as an example) but I think that the Terminal Fettler Humbrol list is pretty awesome and many a great paintup use those colours. They're cheap and easy to get hold of.

no doubt, I've picked DVH's brain about sources and colors for the Humbrols as well!
 
Andy is pretty much on point with everything he's said so far. I started off using Terminal Fettlers list and then tweaked things as we learned more about the colors. I mostly use humbrols but i have a bunch of floquils and Model Masters paints as well. Since ive pretty much stopped painting for the most part now, i dont look as hard as i used to, but I would search for the floquils on e-bay and usually try and snag the colors we use as i can because i tended to like the floquils better..because, well, they flow better haha. I think they have a higher pigment load with a thinner solvent. The humbrols need to be thinned. I use a combination of Humbrols, Floquil, Model Masters and Tamayia. I also try and match the floquil colors with custom mixes of the other brands because i know eventually some colors will just be gone. Reefer yellow is a good example of one (i use that for the base color for the shoulders and knees) but its getting to the point where i just cant find it in enamel anymore. i have 1 bottle left at this point lol. You can use humbrol 154, but that color seems a bit more "soft" or creamy"... if that makes any sense, lol compared to the vibrancy of the Floquil Reefer Yellow. But its very close and with weathering its hard to tell the difference.

Testors bought Floquil/Polyscale sometime around 2011 or 2012 i think..im a bit hazy on the exact timing..but i do know in 2013 they decided to discontinue the lines and mesh some of the colors into their Model masters line. The problem is the names werent always kept the same, so its like starting all over again searching for colors.

There are some shots of helmets being painted and you can see the floquil and pollyscale bottles. There is no way to be 100% sure if it was enamels or acrylics being used. But my guess is enamels as i recall seeing thinners on the table in some shots. i'll try and find some of the pics im speaking of.

I like using enamels as i fell the final result is a more matt finish where it seems the acrylics tend to be a little too satiny for my taste. Im sure there must be a claercot acrylic that can remedy that, but i always liked the enamels better, so thats what i used.


Awesome info Lou, exactly the kind of info I'm looking for, thanks for sharing.

I don't think of myself as super philanthropical (not sure if that's even a word!), but I'm trying to figure something out to help not only myself, but other "Future Fetts" that come along. Who knows, one day, my daughter might outgrow pink and want me to paint her an ROTJ or ESB! NAAAHHH! That'll never happen.
So maybe for others then!
 
Humbrols are pretty widely available to the best of my knowledge (certainly in the UK). Lou is right about the viscosity with those; most colours need a 50:50 paint to thinners ratio not that this is a problem. The only thing with the humbrols that is a problem is the design of the little tins. It's as if the sole intention was to make them to be as annoying as possible to cleanly get the paint from. Lou mentioned the Tamiya line too. Some of their colours are great. I like their TS78 for the main green. In all honesty there are a lot of options aside from the floquil/Pollyscale linebut that picture speaks for itself.

Interesting to note with that pic posted above that the two relatively central jars appear certainly to be Floquil enamel RR colours that the one rear left has a label more commensurate with the Pollyscale acrylic line. Hopefully DVH can do me a massive solid and dig out some more shots like that one.
 
Humbrols are pretty widely available to the best of my knowledge (certainly in the UK). Lou is right about the viscosity with those; most colours need a 50:50 paint to thinners ratio not that this is a problem. The only thing with the humbrols that is a problem is the design of the little tins. It's as if the sole intention was to make them to be as annoying as possible to cleanly get the paint from. Lou mentioned the Tamiya line too. Some of their colours are great. I like their TS78 for the main green. In all honesty there are a lot of options aside from the floquil/Pollyscale linebut that picture speaks for itself.

Interesting to note with that pic posted above that the two relatively central jars appear certainly to be Floquil enamel RR colours that the one rear left has a label more commensurate with the Pollyscale acrylic line. Hopefully DVH can do me a massive solid and dig out some more shots like that one.

the amount of knowledge you two guys have on this is staggering! I always perk up and look forward to learning something new when you guys post.
 
To be frank I'd pay more attention to Lou than me on the subject as he has painted far more helmets (and armour) than I have. I've only painted the one lid in ESB colours and whilst the results are passable they're average compared to some of the guys here (including Lou and some of the others you mentioned earlier). My attempt was a practice run whereas the real painters would be able to tell you more about mixology. I used the TF humbrol list as amended by Jayvee in his stunning 'deluxe esb' as can be found in the consolidated helmet paintups sticky. I never finished it actually; once it had served it's practice purpose I lost interest.

I'm currently trying to track down the floquil and pollyscale colours from the Rougue Studio colour list but it's almost prohibitively expensive. Each colour has to come internationally and the shipping usually dwarfs the cost of the paints themselves. I'm averaging slightly over twenty quid per colour and I'm chasing down about twenty colours. I still think I'll still be using some of the TF humbrol list though. I'm a big fan of the TS78 from Tamiya for the main dome. It's very close to the TF humbrol colour (green 78 iirc).
 
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