Ammo Belt Thoughts on the ammo belt (ESB)

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So, I'm working towards an ESB Boba Fett and I recently came across BatNinja's fantastic tutorial on how to make your own ammo belt.

I was super happy to find this as I am very competent with a sewing machine and as I make and sell vinyl leather bound foam padding for stormtrooper helmets, this kind of thing is right up my alley and I want to make one as accurate as I possibly can, using actual leather if possible.

Most of the belts I've seen look great but I'm yet to see one where the material used looks like a match. Most vinyl leather has a texture to it like this:

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So this kind of thing won't do for a screen accurate belt. Even when you start looking at real or 'genuine' leather (which is actually a worse grade of leather than full or top grain FYI) it's hard to find one with no texture or surface pattern at all.

From this ESB screen grab, with the light hitting it. it's clear to me that the original belt had no raised texture or pattern:

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It's clearer in this one too:

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In fact, it looks more like a kind of PVC material here to me, but I don't think it is. If it was, I would expect to see way more light bouncing off of the pouches on the right. So what if that was an artifical shine caused by varnish/polish/oil?

I next look at nubuck leather because of the uniformity in the finish. Nubuck is essentially still leather but with the top layer "shaved" off which is why it has a suede like feel, I know - obviously wrong but you can treat nubuck with wax or oil to give it the appearance of a polished leather. These images are from a Reddit post where someone had converted a pair of nubuck boots into polished leather:

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Look at these reference images, granted these are from the AOSW which I believe is the Jedi suit/costume with the ESB helmet but still, if it's not the same belt I have to believe it was either made around the same time or the same materials and/or processes were applied.

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The red boxes show areas of wear but it looks to me like that could be where wax/oils have worn away as opposed to the leather itself.

What if the belt was made from nubuck leather, then treated with wax and buffed before being hit with a gloss sealant? The area I've highlighted in the blue box looks like marks from where the belt was handled while the gloss wasn't fully dry.

I will admit, there are a lot of assumptions being made here and possibly a few stretches of imagination but this seems plausible to me. Leather is difficult to weather and I wonder if it was simpler to start with something like nubuck and manually darken/polish it until it looked sufficiently "used."

What does everyone else think? Regardless of whether or not this is how the original was made, I think this approach could yield a more accurate result.
 
They were a smooth white vinyl. The shine depends on the paint you use. I tried many different paints (documented in my builds). I was able to work with HandmadeHorrors to make a belt sourced with smooth white vinyl. The truest to the original stuff so far I've seen. He had a limited supply. Not sure if he has any more. It took a long time to find and I think the original source he found ran out of it.

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Yea, completely smooth vinyl with no texture seems impossible to find as they all try to imitate leather. I found some with a very limited texture and there’s a few things I want to try. I got some leather filler on order which is usually used to repair holes but I’m going to see if I can use that to smooth over the texture before painting. Paint wise, I’m going to try a brown leather spray paint. Could be a disaster but we’ll see.


That belt looks awesome by the way!
 
Would we assume all belts were made around the same time?

I see some texturing.
 

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You are 100% correct. When I say smooth, I don't mean without all texture. There is no vinyl out there that is 100% without texture. I just mean it's smooth in the sense the texture is very hard to see, which is not the norm for vinyl. Usually the texture is plain as day. So yes, it still has a tiny bit of texture, but not pronounced like normal. I apologize for the confusion. The vinyl on my belts do have a tiny bit of texture. It's just so subtle it looks smooth by comparison, similar to the reference photo you posted there.
 
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I'll share photos when it's done but I may have found success with a workaround. I bought this vinyl that has a slight, sort of 'elephant hide' texture. To knock the texture back, I used leather repair paste as a flexible filler. When smeared on and sanded back, it has made the vinyl very smooth. I'm not sure if you can tell from this photo of one of the straps but the texture has all but disappeared.

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Given that the paste is intended for leather repair, I'm assuming it will take paint ok. Sourcing a fabric or leather spray paint has been weirdly difficult but I have some en route. Will post more pictures once painted.
 
That looks pretty smooth!
Thanks man! Some paint arrived today. I tried it out on one of the pouches and I wasn’t immediately convinced. it doesn’t spray great, it’s kind of ‘splattery.’ However, I tried it again on the other side of the pouch with the can further away and did many light passes. It’s come out really nice, I’ll post some photos tomorrow. Really keen to get a strap painted too so I can see what a whole pouch looks like. Once the painted sides of the pouch were done, I sanded them with a high grit which polished them nicely and gave a really good worn looking shine. The only downside so far is I think the brown may be a touch of a shade too dark.

I’ll post photos tomorrow and see what everyone thinks.
 
So, after a few tries with the original paint choice...it was terrible. Awful paint. So, I went with Angelus acrylic leather paint. Specifically Rich Brown and English tan to be used in my airbrush. I also got some Angelus acrylic thinner and some high gloss finisher (also Angelus brand).

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After a few colour tests, I found a mix of English Tan / Rich Brown / thinner at a ratio of 2:1:1 gave me the consistency and colour I was looking for. Here are the results on one of the pouches:

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Deliberately took this with a flash to pick up the high gloss finish:

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I'm pleased so far. I like how the filler has left some texture whilst making other areas completely smooth. To me, it looks like genuine wear. I'm planning on dry brushing some more of the English tan on the edges for targeted areas of wear & weathering and if the belt comes out well I'd consider doing one or two more for sale if anyone would be interested?
 
So, I am starting these again! Whilst they did indeed look promising, I wasn't happy with the overall finish. Despite the paint being fully dry, they've retained a very tacky feel and I've narrowed this down to a few possible reasons:

Improperly thinned paint. I don't think this is the problem, at least not entirely. The paint certainly sprayed ok but I could possibly go a little thinner.

Laying down coats too thick. Again, I don't think this is wholly the reason but I could've left a little more time between coats.

High humidity. This is the one that I think is the main issue. Our flat has a problem with humidity, we have to really keep on top of it to avoid mould. In the summer, it's a lot easier to keep windows open throughout the day but in the winter, with the heating on the humidity can creep up. When the air is too humid, it doesn't allow undercoats to fully cure. Then when you add additional coats, the underlying coats effectively remain 'wet' forever, giving that tacky feel. I suppose it's not a huge issue as the paint isn't smudging or smearing or anything and it's not really part of the costume that'll be touched but it will bother me! We have a big de-humidifier that we use regularly so I think letting this run for an hour or two before painting and leaving more time between thinner coats should produce a better result. Anyway, stay tuned for ammo belt V2: electric boogaloo.
 
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