Perhaps you should have read through the thread fully to understand what was going on. The point of the matter wasn't about someone being frustrated by lack of help. The point is Spidey was going out of his way to present the progress of his ms2 paint job, and at the same time, making it a tutorial with step by step instructions. He was discouraged by other senior members of the board to "not let the secrets out" to newbies who were obviously lookin for guidence but "should figure it out themselves." It wasnt about learning patience or complaining about lack of help, it was about someone trying to do something good and someone else saying nah, **** them. Yes, Try not-- do or do not there is no try indeed, but yoda didn't say ok, ya know what luke, you can probably figure the force out by yourself, I mean yeah I have all the knowledge on the force I can share with you but nah, just do it on your own.