New MR Fett Helmet Master

According to thejawa.com, the price will be $650.

http://www.thejawa.com/nuke/modules....ticle&sid=2241

Edition sizes have yet to be determined. Price points range from $399 for the troopers to $650 for Boba Fett.

I was hoping for a price more like $400-$450, but oh well...

Master Replicas loves to charge alot..

I dont even know what $650 looks like.....

Heres another photo.

http://photos2.figures.com/gallery2/...php?photo=2503

Originally Posted by Darth Fetty

According to thejawa.com, the price will be $650.

http://www.thejawa.com/nuke/modules....ticle&sid=2241




I was hoping for a price more like $400-$450, but oh well...

Considering what they charged for ther E-11 blaster's im not suprised.

Originally Posted by TxFett

Heres another photo.

http://photos2.figures.com/gallery2/...php?photo=2503

Is it just me, or does the right side mandable is kinda misaligned along the vertical part of the visor? It appears to me as if the right mandable is angling slightly inwards, but it could just be me...


-tubachris

Got another pic...

http://www.jedidefender.com/gallery/...licas_0007.jpg


Every MR item I have I've been able to snag for about half of the retail price. I think I'm going to wait a while and see if the price drops on this as well before buying.

Although, the $650 price could be a signature edition and the regular limited edition could cost less.

That picture [www.jedidefender] is very interesting....it may well be our first look at MR's proto factory paint job for this helmet! I know it's not the same as the paint masters I've seen that came from RS (see top of thread or MR blog).

Very interesting.

Wow. . . if that's the MR factory paintjob, it's very disappointing.

Yeah, its pretty cartoonish in the pic. I hope they add some kind misting or something to tone it down a bit.

Originally Posted by SingleSeat

That picture [www.jedidefender] is very interesting....it may well be our first look at MR's proto factory paint job for this helmet! I know it's not the same as the paint masters I've seen that came from RS (see top of thread or MR blog).

Very interesting.

Thats from there miniture helmet series.

OK, the one on page two is indeed the full size helmet, the one on the first page is the scaled version. The full size actualy looks better then I thought. But there is no way they can deliver the detail that we can do ont his site.

I think I am going to be just fine with my SGTfang and MS3 with ears cast off the real thing with hopefully a good paint job by me

I say $549

I said for the regular edition $375. If is $400 i want it too. i don't care It is the real stuff.

Originally Posted by evan4218

The full size actualy looks better then I thought. But there is no way they can deliver the detail that we can do ont his site.

I completely agree. If that is indeed the production paint job, I am pretty impressed, considering the level of complexity the Fett helmet has in it. As Justin said, you really can't even begin to compare a mass produced factory paint job to the care and detail of a custom paint job from one of TDH's artists.

Originally Posted by tubachris85x

Is it just me, or does the right side mandable is kinda misaligned along the vertical part of the visor? It appears to me as if the right mandable is angling slightly inwards, but it could just be me...


-tubachris

I suppose you'll always get a certain amount of variation when installing a visor, they should use Spideys method!! Didnt the ROTJ helmet also angle in slightly towards the base of the visor? Prob just an assembly thing

The big question is... Does anyone know WHEN MR will release it ??? !!!

I'm really dying to get it !!! Once I get the MR, I will only need a great set of guantlets (FP , I'll wait for you ) to complete my costume !!!

Please MR, release it SOON !

You all have say it, this is the REAL THING... (and about the paing job, you can always repaint it :P

does anyone know how the RF will be ??? with real funtional leds, like the original one ?? or just fixed one ???

Originally Posted by Benkenove

The big question is... Does anyone know WHEN MR will release it ??? !!!

I'm really dying to get it !!! Once I get the MR, I will only need a great set of guantlets (FP , I'll wait for you ) to complete my costume !!!

Please MR, release it SOON !

You all have say it, this is the REAL THING... (and about the paing job, you can always repaint it :P

does anyone know how the RF will be ??? with real funtional leds, like the original one ?? or just fixed one ???

At Mr speed it will be released

So around 2050

The paint job doesnt look to bad for what will be a massed produced item. As evan4218 said though, you cannot expect quality and accuracy of the likes of TDH artists like AFFO$ and Steve the Swede. However, if the helmet turns out to be a premuim sculpt it may well be worth purchasing anyway

It will be interesting to see more photos and details on this helmet.

That's what I think too. The premium sculpt is really what it's all about!

I am not sure I would call it a premium sculpt by any means but it is very nice. Even though it was created using realscan technology, there are limits to that technology and there were "corrections" made. It is still a VERY nice and VERY clean helmet but I would be hesitant to call it "premium."

looks like... "Paint By Numbers"!

Hmmm, I still like my helmet that Lee painted for me better!!

Originally Posted by Brak's Buddy

I am not sure I would call it a premium sculpt by any means but it is very nice. Even though it was created using realscan technology, there are limits to that technology and there were "corrections" made. It is still a VERY nice and VERY clean helmet but I would be hesitant to call it "premium."

First, if we are to assume for a moment that a helmet's lineage can be established through both direct casting and realscan:

No matter what you call it, I suspect the MR's lineage is at least comparable, if not better than the "mystery" cast. Not trying to be overly dramatic, but the mystery's dome is a huge disappointment to have gotten so close and then missed the mark. The dome alone is probably why so many folks sacrifice lineage for aesthetics and choose the MSH or another home brew. The mystery cast shows its origins partly, but its limits from its own "corrections," I think, will place it a distant second to the MR sculpt -- even considering the corrections made to the MR.

But I don't actually mind if we call it premium or not, but I bet we can call it a hole in the wallet.

let us not forget that lee has the real buck and has hinted at possibly doing casts.

Originally Posted by SingleSeat

First, if we are to assume for a moment that a helmet's lineage can be established through both direct casting and realscan:

No matter what you call it, I suspect the MR's lineage is at least comparable, if not better than the "mystery" cast. Not trying to be overly dramatic, but the mystery's dome is a huge disappointment to have gotten so close and then missed the mark. The dome alone is probably why so many folks sacrifice lineage for aesthetics and choose the MSH or another home brew. The mystery cast shows its origins partly, but its limits from its own "corrections," I think, will place it a distant second to the MR sculpt -- even considering the corrections made to the MR.

But I don't actually mind if we call it premium or not, but I bet we can call it a hole in the wallet.

We are on the same side here. My only argument is that the MR is not the end all be all and that some tend to be of the impression that realscan means it is exactly like the original. Personally, I would take the MR over the mystery, but I don't think everyone will feel that way.

With all of this said, I think we both know where the end all / be all is.

Of course, don't get me wrong Brak's, I totally agree with you. I also totally agree that the technology isn't perfect. I just take way too many words to explain myself We're on the same side -- and the same page here.

http://photos.sirstevesguide.com/sho...20769&cat=5115

I think it looks great for a factory job!

Again, we all know no mass production can match the skill here. But ****, sure beats Don Post's.

I think the shape is very good and superior to the Mystery helmet (Sarge I still want one though )

Too bad the visor is put in wrong or coming undone.

What do you think about the colors of this helmet. are they accuarate?

I found another picture:

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k9...elmetCorgi.jpg[IMG][/IMG]

I can't see the pic

I actually kinda like it....in terms of size and shape....

I like all the colors, except the gray on the mandibles, maybe it's the lighting...but it looks too dark..it's almost the same as the gray on the helmet...which to me, is not the same hue/shade of gray...
Other than that I like it...

Wish I could see the back??

Originally Posted by tubachris85x

Is it just me, or does the right side mandable is kinda misaligned along the vertical part of the visor? It appears to me as if the right mandable is angling slightly inwards, but it could just be me...


-tubachris

I thought the same when saw the pic

I think for a complicated paint job as Boba Fett´s that factory paint-job is very very good!

I think it might need a dulcoat... its a bit shiny. Also it might be the camera distortion but, to me at leat, it doesnt seem to have that "flare" that alot of the mystery buckets have. It also seems ot be lacking the wavy brow. Maybe I am crazy...

I'll pass

The wavy brow is not accurate for the ESB helmet so this version is correct, if I'm not wrong, the wavy brow is due a break in the helmet, restored later...

I'm really dying to get this helmet... will be the treasure of the treasures (from my point of view, it only can be beaten by a REAL cast off original... and we all know that is "almost" impossible to get... only people like the one we know has it, and wont be now more... so, this is the very best we can get .

I only desire MR release it soon... and I would also LOVE they can make it with the electronic like the original one !!!

Originally Posted by Benkenove

The wavy brow is not accurate for the ESB helmet so this version is correct, if I'm not wrong, the wavy brow is due a break in the helmet, restored later...

I believe you are 100% correct in this assessment.

Originally Posted by Brak's Buddy

I believe you are 100% correct in this assessment.

I would honestly want to see proof of that if available, I can't see that as being the reason for the wave. It'd be too smooth of a fix and if that were the case, wouldn't they have actually fixed the rest of the cracks in the helmet? I'm not trying to sound like a hole, but if there is proof supporting that, I will be the first to admit that I am wrong

There is proof that SUGGESTS it. Let me see if I can find it. to give credit where it is due, I believe it was once again Tyler Durden (Mr ESB helmet lover) who first showed it to me.

Here we go. Tyler noticed that there is a place on the inside of the ESB helmet that appears to have been reworked/modified that matches up with the place where we know the "ESB warp" to be. It is not proof-positive, but it strongly suggests that the "warp" is actually a repair. I am pretty convinced he is correct and have seen no other logical explanation presented.

BTW, zombierepellent, I hate it when people make a statement and don't back it up and that is exactly what I did in my first post. Thanks for calling me on it and pushing me to show the proof.

Well in that case I will say that I may be wrong. If it was a repair then they did a great job on blending the paint. I wonder why they didn't fix all the other cracks that well. Another thing I want to *** is the helmets that I've seen that feature the "Wave" in the brow, make it like the entire brow is waved and not just the bottom edge of it.

Looks to me like MR is going to have to ask the 13 year old Chinese girls who'll be painting those things to take a scotch-brite pad to it at the end.

Is there any way to know when the damage occured? IE before or after or during filming... ?

Originally Posted by NikNak_aka

Is there any way to know when the damage occured? IE before or after or during filming... ?

I would say it happened before filming but after painting... maybe when they were putting in the visor. There is really no way to tell. As zr pointed out, the other cracks have not been repaired so I would assume this one was done very early.

Which would mean that, based on pure speculation, its more correct for a ESB bucket to have the wavy brow as that is more than likely how it was during filming.

Originally Posted by Spideyfett

I actually kinda like it....in terms of size and shape....

...Wish I could see the back??

This is about as good as I've found on the net,
http://www.jeditemplearchives.com/sw...asterreplicas/

Not much, but take a peek. Actually, quite a few good pictures of everything here. (I'm thinking that the EE-3 is a production version too; i.e. not Lee's paint master copy as seen in San Diego)

Well by golly that's a factory job on both. Sorry folks but they have stated they are having problems reproducing the prototypes. Also when this stuff is color matched they place the scanner on what they feel is a good representation of color but every inch of the helmets I did were weathered so I assume that is why it's a bit dark.

Hey Lee, can you contact MR and tell that to just give me your masters if they are not even going to bother using them. Seriously though, the paintjobs are not that bad for a factory job as been stated. I would still much prefer a paintjob and helmet from one of the great artists on TDH. I may buy one to display but it's hard to justify a purchase for trooping or reworking.

Who knows, maybe they're a bit darker in the photos, and maybe the pieces are in a place that lends itself to saturated color photos.

Originally Posted by NikNak_aka

let us not forget that lee has the real buck and has hinted at possibly doing casts.

i would pay close to what they are asking for the mr for a cast of lee's bucket

Originally Posted by slave1117a

i would pay close to what they are asking for the mr for a cast of lee's bucket

Not to burst any bubbles or insult anyone, but I think the price tag for that level of accuracy would go into the thousands -- not hundreds. ...Plenty of people out there with lots of money financing money-is-no-object prop collections and supporting the business of high-end prop replica companies.

I don't blame Lee for holding onto it so tightly. He could probably attest to it better since he's the owner, but at some point I'm sure it's not about the price, but the honor of having it.

Originally Posted by SingleSeat

I don't blame Lee for holding onto it so tightly. He could probably attest to it better since he's the owner, but at some point I'm sure it's not about the price, but the honor of having it.

Not to mention those who would recast it as quickly as they could get their hands on it and then claim it as their own. I have no doubt it would become the next "mystery" helmet if it were ever made available to the public.

That is true but I would be more afraid of it qucikly becoming the single most recast bucket out there if it got in the wrong hands... LOL

Also... a few folks did in deed get a copy. So he didnt hold on to it that tightly. LOL (P.S. - I am not one of the lucky few... ) This is still a *PRIVATE* bucket though and will most likely always remain so. But every once in a blue moon stuff like goes available. Just recently the Don Post master (the one cast off the real deal according to speculation) has just been sold to a private party.

I think its imposible to police things like that. And there is honor in knowing you have something special.

I have a feeling we will see this with the MR bucket... lots of low and mid level recasts when it arrives. This dostn bother me with the MR as it affords someone like me the chance to mod, tweek, and repaint it with out breaking the bank.

Originally Posted by SingleSeat

This is about as good as I've found on the net,
http://www.jeditemplearchives.com/sw...asterreplicas/

Not much, but take a peek. Actually, quite a few good pictures of everything here. (I'm thinking that the EE-3 is a production version too; i.e. not Lee's paint master copy as seen in San Diego)

Thanks SS...that's a little better pic...

and I think you guys are right about the color matching system ....even in the flash pics the colors stay dark?? It's not right at all..

Still I think I want one....I really like the size and shape....I might strip it down and repaint it...

Originally Posted by Spideyfett

Thanks SS...that's a little better pic...

and I think you guys are right about the color matching system ....even in the flash pics the colors stay dark?? It's not right at all..

Still I think I want one....I really like the size and shape....I might strip it down and repaint it...

I readjusted it in lew of the lighting to show it better.

Cool...thanks bro... ....much better..

Not bad for a factory paint job, but I think It should be cheaper

Very Nice helmet indeed!
I'm sure there will be a signature series as well.
If regular price go for $650 ... then I imagine the signature
series will go for @ least $775----$900.00.
uuhh! that will really hurt my wallet.

I don't disagree with any of your comments bit it might be a good starting point helmet and it will be the most accurate helmet licensed to the fans at this point.

I'll be interested to see comparison pics between this and the "mystery buckets" or a MSH2 or a TF or a BM

WOW....I want the one on the left....

Oh I don't know if I agree with that Alex . I always thought that the signature would be $650 and the regular version would be $400 but I probably heard wrong. It would certainly be a good starting helmet, I would just feel bad paying that much and then repainting it, though I'm certain I would for accuracies sake.

Remember that this is quite cheap considering the price on the old DP deluxe helmet. The MR helmet is by far better.

True, and for getting a helmet of this quality and getting it painted fairly accurately is going to be more then that price tag.

I'm hoping with a little work the factory paint job will look great.
When the MR comes out I look forward to upgrade tips from the pros here.
I don't have the time to paint one from scratch myself and I want a display piece to go next to my Bossk and IG-88 heads.

Originally Posted by micke

Remember that this is quite cheap considering the price on the old DP deluxe helmet. The MR helmet is by far better.

I agree. I also agree with Evan. This is a pretty **** decent helmet for a factory piece. And the price isn't all that bad considering what unfinished recasts cost already. The only way this could be better is if it was a direct cast from the ESB helmet.
Anyhow, you know this thing will be recast and reworked immediately by somebody or plenty of "somebody's". As far as the mandilbles narrowing at the bottom, it appears to be a direct result of a little less than careful attachment of the visor. Easily remedied.
All in all, I think this is a pretty nice piece with a pretty nice paint job. Look at the ****** paint job on the DP deluxe helmet they were charging a grand for. And worse, the nonexistant paint job on the DP 95,96 and 97 they were charging almost a hundred for.

Originally Posted by TxFett

It would certainly be a good starting helmet, I would just feel bad paying that much and then repainting it, though I'm certain I would for accuracies sake.

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Quoted for truthiness.

I think it looks pretty decent. I think with a good acrylic wash to dirty it up a bit and give it less of a uniform look to the colors it would look a lot better, and that is something that can be done with out doing any real damage to the peice.

Hey just another quick question regarding color.
In December, Lee updated his color list to show "POG Green" for the left ear.
People were assuming this was "Panzer Olive Green," (I saw it discussed, but of course can't find it now)
which would make it the same as the dome/lower cheeks.
In all the pics I've seen so far of the MR paint master and proto helmets, the left ear looks to be a different shade than the dome.
Is "POG Green" some kind of different Panzer Olive Green?

I honestly cant consider this bucket to be too much better than a mystery helmet. The mystery helmets(its been more or less decided) were cast from the pp2 helmet and modified by MS and sgtfang. The MR bucket came from a pp3 bucket that was laser scanned. I do not know how many of you have actually seen a raw laser scan before but its not perfect right off the bat. We use laser scans of celebs at my work for the games we work on. There is a whole lot of cleaning up that has to be done. That and a lot of the time details become soft (not always). So really its possible that the raw laser scan looked a lot like sgtfangs old "lava helmet"

Please keep in mind this is strictly my opinion as I have never even seen this bucket up close in person. I might change my mind then.

To me there is more value in getting a sgtfang for ~100 dollars and putting some work into to make it more accurate accurate and painting it yourself(or getting one of the awesome tdh artists to paint it) rather then over paying for a MR helmet that your going to have to sand an paint anyway.

Originally Posted by NikNak_aka

I honestly cant consider this bucket to be too much better than a mystery helmet. The mystery helmets(its been more or less decided) were cast from the pp2 helmet and modified by MS and sgtfang. The MR bucket came from a pp3 bucket that was laser scanned. I do not know how many of you have actually seen a raw laser scan before but its not perfect right off the bat. We use laser scans of celebs at my work for the games we work on. There is a whole lot of cleaning up that has to be done. That and a lot of the time details become soft (not always). So really its possible that the raw laser scan looked a lot like sgtfangs old "lava helmet"

I'm not sure if my opinion would be "expert" or not, but while we've seen evidence that the mystery brands have PP2 similarities/origins, it's too much to say that they were direct casts of the PP2. Don Post or somebody had to have their hands all over that cast in one way or another. Since the MS1 and SgtFang are identical in every way, that proves that MarrowSun and SgtFang were working from the same kind of buck independently and the ways in which these helmets departed greatly from the PP2 happened long before MS and Sarge got a hold of them. The dome, the cheeks, the key slots, the brows, on, and on, and on. Only MarrowSun has marketed follow-ons of his MS1 with his own changes. While SgtFang has reported that he, "...scratchbuilt new [ears] after carefully measuring the warped originals..." Yet both helmets have the same ears. So if that is the case, then the ears would be in the re-worked ballpark too (through no fault of Sarge) using only the reference of the heavily modified buck. The "lava helmet" wasn't Sarge's, as you can see in this Fang thread: http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/f23/lava-mystery-helmet-lets-solve-16461/ The "lava" was a different cast that found it's name by TylerDurden and Brak's "back in the day" before my time.

But I know what your saying with regards to scanning...just look at the aft eyepiece on the MR EE-3 scope and then compare that to the original prop, hahaha.

I used the same Panzer Olive Green on the ears and helmet. It was told to me they appeared to be the same color so I'm not sure. Who knows if I happen to make it into the archives I'll check it.

Lee