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Well I got a email from someone today asking me about the leather parts on this guy..
http://fevereon.deviantart.com/art/A...tate-103799447
Sure... its the stuff I made. I know my leather work when I see it. Well seems this guys wearing it and taking credit for the work as well..
I'm not gonna say anything about I guess... what good would it do really? I'll just take the compliments that were said and pat myself on the back...
Oh well...
i hate people that do that , i do love your work , even the belt you did for me a while back =)
That's really despicable honestly. How someone could consciously take credit for another person's hard work is down right messed up. At least you can know for a fact that while on the outside he's taking credit for it, privately he can only wish to be on the same level with you.
I "like" this statement.... Yes, I have WIP pics, but I do not want to dig them up. Perhaps there are more parts that he "does not want to bother with finding the WIP for, I'm just sayin'
"okay, I'm pretty much fed up with trying to scrounge through WIP photos for the gems where everythings in place and where it should be.."
Report them.
I have the WIP pics...I wonder what would happen if I posted them up there...lol
to who? the deviat art police?
Call her out on it Taco. I would.
Hey Taco, what all parts did you make for him?
Taco, your work is nothing short of a masterpiece. To have someone take all the credit, and they don't even have the proof...I'd call em out on it. In fact they are probably searching all over to try and find your WIP pics so they can post em ahead of ya hahah! DOWN WITH THE STEALERS!
You're a Browns Fan aren't ya Satxer? LOLOriginally Posted by Satxer
Technically yeah. I am a fan of quite a few NFL teams, but I can't leave out my home team. But I didn't say Down with the SteElers. I mean steAl as in the thiefs!
I know man, just havin some fun
Report her. Its your work.
Well, I know just by looking at the photo the first thing I noticed was the belt.
notice the pattern and the hand stitching lines. Only difference is that in this photo I changed the sword frog to what he has on now.
First Prototype Belt
Final
In this photo, here are my bracers. Noticed the tooled raised edges and same buckles. (although this person does have a extra screw post in a place where I normally didn't put one.) could have also used my free pattern for this with tutorial i posted in cosplay.
The shoulder straps is mine. And so is the sword frog. Shoulder pad and sheaths for the daggers. Sheaths for belt daggers too.
Only thing I did not do are the leg covers.
Either way you spell it, I agree whole heartedly.
Taco, really upon comparison of your belt and her's... I don't see much of a resemblance from your Final Version.
Everything else on the other hand... I DO. Sept that she took the circular ring out of your shoulder straps and seems she tooled her own little filler. But I see your parts everywhere else.
Thats not the same belt in her final pic.. look.
The belt shown in her WIP, the leather is very smooth.
In her final pic with the sword frog on, the leather has a grainy look. That is the tooling leather.
Also, my final belt pic was the very first one. The one she or he is wearing was another I made, I know also because when I made this belt I used abit of a darker color dye. I will find the original owner and ask him.
Also in all the WIP pics, the only one I see that he or she actually did was the boot spats. Every other pic of leather stuff just shows the piece done.
Last edited by 99centTaco; 07-28-2009 at 08:43 AM.
i think it's really interesting that in the wip pic the whole shoulder strap is dyed except for the one triangle where your ring would have been is un dyed leather, if that isn't a dead give away I don't know what is.
Thats not the same belt in her final pic.. look.
The belt shown in her WIP, the leather is very smooth.
In her final pic with the sword frog on, the leather has a grainy look. That is the tooling leather.
Ahhh yes sir... indeed, i see all the stitching in that one. Hmmm...well her page has been flooded by TDH commentors. LOL, so lets see what she has to say now...
I think that is also the belt where my sewing machine had a hiccup.
If she can provide photos of WIP from beginning to the end and prove its not mine. I will bow down. I have no shame in admitting when I'm wrong.
I did provide tutorials and patterns. If she used them .. great! But the stuff look awfully to darn close to my own.
liars always get fished out somehow, too bad someone is taking credit for your work
The original owner was Jonathon Hines a.k.a autophobe
Notice he also has an account at the same place..lol
http://autophobe.deviantart.com/
I hate these people, hope ya don't mind I commented on ''her'' work. I've seen this kinda stuff quite some times on Deviantart.
Brother, I know exactly what you mean
I signed up to create an account to pm her and ask her a question..The girl lashed at me and says she refuses to show the whole walk through. That her camera was damaged during the build.
I don't care, but this is one of the reasons I am retiring from costume making. It kinda feels like being recasted...only they didn't copy my stuff..it is my stuff..lol
oh well, if she likes it that much than all i can say is, I must have done a pretty good job. Good work me.
I'm sorry to hear you are retiring from costume making, but I fully understand why. I hate to see people stop doing what they love because of other peoples stupidness
EDIT: here's the girls reaction ''dude seriosuly, what is WITH you guys...
til that other random guy came in flaming me about taco, i never even HEARD of the guy. I'd give credit if i did hear if him and use his work as a base for mine, but i didn't so i won't. Everything i made here was directly based on official artwork that i researched -independently- from an artbook, official art, and an action figure i bought. the stitching is the same on them as they are on mine. My credit goes to UBISOFT.
but theres absolutely no point in trying to argue with y'all anymore. I'm not gonna be able to change what you -think-, and unless you were around me 24/7 while i planned and excecuted this project you're not gonna believe me. so its at an impass, and there no point in arguing it further''
Taco,
Man..I feel your frustration, I really do!
I've had to watch my work get chopped up for years while some Shemp claims it as there own original work. Rockets, flame unit details, entire gauntlet sections cut-out, even the entire upper and bottom sections recasted.
"Then they play you for dumb"!?
That's the real kicker
It is the sad nature of the hobby and the nature of man that the few talented provide for the many and the many exploit the few, often taking credit for the work of the few. I have seen it happen on far too many occasion.
First issues with recasting, now re paterning. This sucks!
The worst part is its not a re pattern. ITS TACO'S STUFF! He built it for someone, that person sold it to this lady, and she won't admit that she bought it...its just sad...
Even worse!
Actually yes...This is straight from DiavantART
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I have reported my case and I have sent a message to the person involved, about coming to an agreement which would allow her to protect her rep.
This girl is so rude. http://fevereon.deviantart.com/art/A...ion1-131265806
Read the blog/info on the photo....just plain ruuude! :/
Earlier today I got a pm here from someone called BlindSquirrel, says hes a new member and was trying to back up her story. It was actually her. I mean come on! you sign up today and claim you were from here already. Also there is another thing I could point out..
Would you like to know how you can tell one of a leather workers traits?
A leather worker starts to develop a habit when dying leather. A person either dyes just the front side or front and back! On everything he or she does. Some like it dyed both front and back and some don't. I like to dye things front and back.
Take a look here in her WIP photos...
take a look at her belt that she did...(note that this one is not the same as the one I was talking about at first) The back of the belt is undyed. But take a look at the sword frog straps....colored on the back....Notice that the natural colors from normal usage is start to show up..this is because I use Ant. Stain. Not dye on this project. A stain only colors the surface. Dye penetrates into the leather. On this pic she is using my sword frog on her belt.
http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs49/f/20...y_fevereon.jpg
I'm sick of this ....I'm not even gonna say it. She can lie to herself and to all her buddies over there. I know my **** when I see it!! I'm sorry, I don't mean to be rude but if I saw that belt in the final pic, trust me I would not even have said anything.
I'm done.....
Last edited by 99centTaco; 07-28-2009 at 07:05 PM.
Taco,
This girls nothing but ah pimp..If she knew the army that stands behind you man...Some people just have nothing on the inside.
You know, there are one or two items that she really did do and I wanted to commend her on them. I know she used the patterns I once provided at cosplay. check it out
http://www.cosplay.com/showthread.php?t=131330&page=63
Post #940
Notice what I asked for....
I saw this clown at Otakon... she was running some artist booth in the artists alley... had I known before I would have personally told her in my Fett costume "99CentTaco does amazing work doesn't he? Looks great!"
I've seen people try and pull **** like this before... its horrible... we all know the truth man and I am behind you fully.
El1te
I appreciate it guys..really I do. My teeth are so numb from grinding them all day that it hurts.
Good gravy!! Is there a way to retrieve deleted pm's?
What a piece of work that lady is. Taco...I easily see your scabbard frog and your bracer and your shoulder harness on that costume. Its easy to see the tooling is the exact same as yours, and why she rolls all her leather at the edges...EXCEPT all the parts I just mentioned. And all those parts are dyed both front and back.
We at TDH know the truth, she has her minions on DA that think she is the victim here. Its easy to see that she has yet to prove all the parts I called her out on. Waste of time is what she is man...
soo i got sick of her friends senting me messages.....so i posted this. http://degan.deviantart.com/art/Team...Taco-131289088
This is sad, people trying to take credit for your stellar work, man this REALLY stinks, bro, I am right behind you. If you need a heavy gunner in the army standing behind you, just give me a ring :P
You know, I'm just canceling the account if I can. This is stupid. I use to wonder why guys like MOW would get mad when people would recast his things. I mean I know he would have the right to be upset, but I now have experienced it first hand. At first I was upset, but after the **** she's been flaming off over there, I became enraged. Somewhere on one of my photo discs I have the WIP on the sword frog and other things. And when I find them, I will post them in FULL RES!!
Not cool! Hopefully she will step up, be honest and rectify the situation and give you the credit that you are due. Considering you dye the back as well, which I think is awesome BTW, do you also Brand the back sides of your leather components?
I had a makers ink stamp made which I wanted to stamp the backs, but because I dye the backs of the pieces, it doesnt show up. So I never marked the backs with it. I would however sometimes handtool my name on a small piece and if the piece required stitching I would have it sewn in.
haha, I'm "reporting for duty" on your picture
Is there anyway you can "brand" the backs on insides of your pieces?
Ok guys, I know I dont frequent these threads as much anymore since I've completed my Fett costume but I just want to say I can vouch for her. Fev does amazing work on all of her costumes, and props especially. I have talked with her about leather work and exchanged ideas etc... As a member of the dentedhelmet and someone who is known in the cosplay community I feel the need to say something about this. I honestly dont see much resemblance to your belts especially. And I remember when she was constructing her gauntlet. In the comparison shots, one its really fuzzy, and two I dont see the deep tooling lines that you do in the bottom of your belts.
you are both very good at your craft I think it's best to let this die and realize that it's one big misunderstanding. Also you all shouldnt be so quick to judge based on one persons allegation. Take a look at her other work, to my knowledge you havent sold or made any Ezio leather pieces and she's just uploaded pictures of her pauldren which in my opinion looks spot on and uses some of the same techniques as the Altair belt. So she obviously knows what she's doing with leather why would she have to steal from you? If this were some 15 year old kid who just came into the costuming world claiming something like that I'd be more quick to take your side, but shes been doing this for awhile and doing many commissions as well. Take a look through her gallery and you can see that she isnt someone who's out to steal from you or anyone else, because she doesnt need to.
guys, just take a minute to think this through and keep an open mind that's all I'm asking.
here's some links to her stuff.
http://fevereon.deviantart.com/art/E...dron-130540625
http://fevereon.deviantart.com/art/A...ion1-131265806
Forcebewitya.
Last edited by Forcebewitya; 07-28-2009 at 09:22 PM.
Yeah, the easy way to do it would be to just buy a branding iron. Only it can be alittle sloppy if you don't have a steady hand and its kinda smelly when you do it. If the leather is a light weight you don't want to do it at all. It would show up on the front.
Forcebewitya, I've known you for quite some time as well. I've even done work for you I believe. The thing is, there are some parts which she did do, I'm not nor was I questioning those parts. I looked through her things as well. Which is why it confused me why she would buy other parts from someone else. Trust me, I've been looking at the pieces all day. I know what I see. I did many of these parts and I can't honestly say I know where every piece went because I sold half of them on ebay. But half her parts don't match up with the other half. I've bought leather stuff before that wasn't mine just so I could either remake or make a pattern. (keep in mind though that those things are stuff like Old Vintage Postal Mail Bags) I want to be accurate when I remake them. I've emailed the post master if this is allowed and they told me that they do not use the leather bags anymore so its ok to remake them as long as I don't mark any kind of U.S. markings on them. Its great to buy a piece and redo it so you can get a good pattern down. But I don't buy other peoples leather costume pieces and redo them.
I am tired of all this though. If she wants to say what ever it is she wants to say thats fine. I have said my piece to her, let her live with it. I guess if this is her way of making income than shes gonna say what she needs to say. I'm getting out of costume making and going into bag making. She can have my leftovers. I will leave it alone but I stand firm with my decision.
Last edited by 99centTaco; 07-28-2009 at 09:39 PM.
I'll be honest with you. I have no way of knowing which one of you is right on this matter we're all thousands of miles away and I dont know Fev well enough to tell you that I witnessed her working on her leather pieces. But I feel that I'm a good enough judge of character to know that she doesn't seem like the kind of person who would do that. It seems perfectly logical to me that someone like her with a gift for all things costume making could pick up leatherworking and do amazing work, maybe even work that looks like yours (someone who is well known and does excellent work). We're all trying to make the costume look like the art and the in game shots, and we all for the most part buy our leather at Tandy leather so it seems perfectly logical that two Altair belts could come out looking very similar. Granted my belt looks different but I like mine and even though the both of you are better at leather working than I am I prefer mine.
Also, something that is different about the cosplay community and the 501st TDH and RL communities is that making your own costume is MUCH more important to cosplayers. Where as on a website such as this one the ultimate goal is to have an awesome Fett costume which could mean buying leather work from you, getting armor from BM, boots from Caboots etc... you all know what I'm talking about. That to me is another reason why I cant see someone like her, who is rooted in the cosplay community doing something like this. Granted it has happend before but it's been more obvious at least to me.
I do agree that this should have been handled differently from the start. If this were a clear cut case of she definitely took your stuff and used it claiming it was hers I'd be right on the bandwagon. But I think that no matter whos side you take it's very hazy. So to jump on someones page and accuse them and post deriding comments is downright immature, and as I said on her deviation I am very dissapointed how some of the members of this site acted. I always see Star Wars costumers as being more mature than that but today I was proven wrong.
Forcebewitya.
What I find interesting is, she's so very defensive, and her attempts at flaming overshadow her 'proof' or 'defenses'. Now in all my years of online gaming and running into and running OVER people, she's reacting in a very specific way - the guilty and busted way.
The old me, the younger me that didn't have a wife and kids would ask you if you'd like me to light her up in a flame post that would make Satan feel the burn, but the older, wiser, father figure in me is saying, you know what? You know, we know, everyone knows the truth - especially her. And yeah it's absolutely horrible that she's claiming your work as her own, so what you do is use the proper channels and file a report with the staff of the site and anywhere else she thinks she can get away with pawning off your work as her ****, with all of the proof that you have to provide. For better or worse, they'll decide what to do (like it would happen here or any other community) and that's it. Don't sink yourself down to her obviously disturbed level. Like the saying goes, she'll beat you with experience. She's a bit 'off'. Many, many, MANY people live out an all important, and very fragile existence online and you're fracturing her mirror.
In the end, no matter what DA decides, every single solitary human being knows what's up. Let her nerdrage. The people that matter back you.
But this is just the opinion of a random guy on TDH no one knows yet. lol
Last edited by DP74; 07-28-2009 at 11:49 PM.
What I find interesting is, she's so very defensive, and her attempts at flaming overshadow her 'proof' or 'defenses'. Now in all my years of online gaming and running into and running OVER people, she's reacting in a very specific way - the guilty and busted way.
The old me, the younger me that didn't have a wife and kids would ask you if you'd like me to light her up in a flame post that would make Satan feel the burn, but the older, wiser, father figure in me is saying, you know what? You know, we know, everyone knows the truth - especially her. And yeah it's absolutely horrible that she's claiming your work as her own, so what you do is use the proper channels and file a report with the staff of the site and anywhere else she thinks she can get away with pawning off your work as her ****, with all of the proof that you have to provide. For better or worse, they'll decide what to do (like it would happen here or any other community) and that's it. Don't sink yourself down to her obviously disturbed level. Like the saying goes, she'll beat you with experience. She's a bit 'off'. Many, many, MANY people live out an all important, and very fragile existence online and you're fracturing her mirror.
In the end, no matter what DA decides, every single solitary human being knows what's up. Let her nerdrage. The people that matter back you.
But this is just the opinion of a random guy on TDH no one knows yet. lol
And you in all your fatherly wisdom know for 100 percent that she did all this. Honestly it amazes me how both sides of this are just flaming and bashing without even stopping to consider the other side. No one will listen to me anyway so I dont even know why I bother.
also with the dyeing habits the reason she didnt dye the waist belt is because when you're in a hot costume such as altair you sweat, and your sweat will make the dye bleed. this has happend to one of my costumes and I was using a professional belt from a department store. So obviously taking the precaution not to dye something that isnt seen anyway is a good idea.
As far as the shoulder belt goes, you can see the insides where it loops under your arm and so forth. therefore you dye that so that your costume doesnt look weird. I do the same thing. I dont see that as a valid point.
why would someone go to all the trouble to make their own belt only to in the end use someone elses, that barely looks any different? its not like she made a ****** one and then got yours she took the time to stitch it and everything. It just doesnt make any sense.
99centtaco-How does your belt attach in the back? ie snaps ties etc...
Forcebewitya.
Last edited by Forcebewitya; 07-29-2009 at 12:47 AM.
Nevermind. REALLY not worth it. lol
Last edited by DP74; 07-29-2009 at 03:59 AM. Reason: Not worth it.
I think that it maybe a good idea if the Mods go ahead and close this one, just to cut it off before it gets really ugly. Just a suggestion though, of course.
I concur
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