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    Jan 30, 2008, 5:23 PM - A question for those with experience firing rocket launchers... #1

    ... or any device that might fire a missile from the shoulder. In planning out the weathering I want to do on a suit, I'm wondering how firing a weapon like a PLX-1 would affect the wearer. If I try to show blackening of the suit from firing an rpg-type weapon, would most of that occur on the back? Only on the side where the weapon is fired? The right side of the helmet/visor? I assume that some of this will be determined by how "clean" a weapon fires, but I also know that most (if not all) firearms leave a residue on one's hand after discharging the weapon, and that's not always visible, right? Thanks for any insights/experience you might have.
  2. DarkeSword2020 is offline DarkeSword2020
    Jan 30, 2008, 5:28 PM - Re: A question for those with experience firing rocket launchers... #2

    Right side or left side.....?

    Also, send me a picture of what your planning on painting and i'd be willing to photoshop the effects of a rocket blast onto it.

    My email for the pic : sithbanshee2020@yahoo.com

    - Darke
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    Jan 30, 2008, 5:31 PM - Re: A question for those with experience firing rocket launchers... #3

    I'm right handed, so the right side. I was planning to weather the flightsuit and flak vest, however, not a photo of the gear... Did I misunderstand your question?
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    Jan 30, 2008, 5:36 PM - Re: A question for those with experience firing rocket launchers... #4

    Duh... (Mind clicks into gear) I think I know what you mean. Sending PM.
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    Jan 30, 2008, 6:02 PM - Re: A question for those with experience firing rocket launchers... #5

    For a second I thought were talking about what would happen to your suit if you fired an RPG and I was getting very worried for a second
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    Jan 30, 2008, 6:13 PM - Re: A question for those with experience firing rocket launchers... #6

    Hahaha. That would be interesting, though, if I read your post correctly. Back when I used to do more with mail armor, I did like to whack at pieces with an axe or a sword to see the effect. Finding out what a suit might look like after being hit with a missile might actually be an easier costume to create. I could just cut a big circle out of the armor plates and fill the hole with carbon scoring... I've always liked hearing about the guys who weather carbon scoring onto their helmets with blowtorches.
  7. DarkeSword2020 is offline DarkeSword2020
    Jan 30, 2008, 7:00 PM - Re: A question for those with experience firing rocket launchers... #7

    Hey ioelus, I'm done, do you have an aim screen-name that I can send you the pics by, or would you rather I send them via email? If so, can you pm me either your screen-name or your email?

    Thanks

    - Darke
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    Jan 30, 2008, 7:24 PM - Re: A question for those with experience firing rocket launchers... #8

    Could you send them to the email I sent the pictures through?
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    Jan 30, 2008, 7:28 PM - Re: A question for those with experience firing rocket launchers... #9

    I sent you the email. Let me know either over pm or email what you think.

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    Jan 30, 2008, 7:51 PM - Re: A question for those with experience firing rocket launchers... #10

    Thanks very much--images received. That's interesting. It looks like the "burn" mark has a real uneven effect--almost star-shaped. I expected something more circular. Should I assume that some of that comes from the folds of the fabric on the flak vest, or is it because of the flash at the rear of the weapon when it discharges? And if I'm reading the image correctly, it looks like there's scoring along the neck on the side where the weapon is fired, down the shoulder sleeve on the same side, and then the irregular "spray" down, but not across, the back. Should I also assume there is no scoring to the front? I imagine the discharge of the weapon is far enough away from the face/front of the body that there'd be little to none, but if there's scoring on the side of the neck, would there also be some on the side of the helmet?

    Thanks very much for your indulgence.
  11. DarkeSword2020 is offline DarkeSword2020
    Jan 30, 2008, 7:57 PM - Re: A question for those with experience firing rocket launchers... #11

    On the front, there'd be almost..specks and circular spherical spots....if any.

    The front would have less because the rocket "soot" if you wanna call it that, would sorta have a spray effect as it blows away from the launcher. The way I see it it would flash...and you'd have a spray effect, that would cause maybe a few scratches and a star type shape. Not circular...unless it's an actual rocket. My reasoning being...rockets in modern times would more likely have a circular mark, versus a PLX-1 rocket launcher in the "future" where it would be more of a "laser based" rocket? Which would zap a "carbon" score across the back right shoulder?

    What do you think?

    "If you want" you can upload the pics here for others to critique..

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    Jan 30, 2008, 8:04 PM - Re: A question for those with experience firing rocket launchers... #12

    The marks on the front--the specks and such. Where would you expect them to fall? Would it depend on wind, or would they always tend to be in the same place, if they marked the suit at all?

    I'll have to dig up acknowledgement for the original pics before I post them here. I'm a little squidgy about posting someone else's pix on the forum without saying where they came from. I know the one for the scoring on the flak vest was an image of tk409's, but I'll have to see if I can find who's image you doctored of the custom Mandalorian.

    I do appreciate your work and the thought you've put into your responses for me.
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    Jan 30, 2008, 8:16 PM - Re: A question for those with experience firing rocket launchers... #13

    No problem, always glad to help a fellow mando.

    Now, I will say this....if there's wind in the equation, then the spots will likely fall "around" the same area in the front. Whereas if there's wind, they might be smudged across the front of the vest.

    Now this all depends on your preference, would you be shooting your rocket in the wind, or no?

    Then based on that, paint it that way. If you want. you can even make textures based on that. I'll elaborate more if you want. Let me know.

    - Darke
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    Jan 30, 2008, 8:17 PM - Re: A question for those with experience firing rocket launchers... #14

    Well, here is my experience firing rocket launchers....
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    Jan 30, 2008, 9:52 PM - Re: A question for those with experience firing rocket launchers... #15

    Desloc, put 2 and 2 togther. snap a pic of the underside of that chopper and put it up... What more accuracy can you get?
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    Jan 30, 2008, 10:15 PM - Re: A question for those with experience firing rocket launchers... #16

    Yes, do please elaborate. Textures. Based on what? How wind would effect the pattern? Comparable to the famous CSI blood spray pattern to determine the angle and impact trauma of a blow? Round shapes versus ellipses and long funnel shapes? I think I always thought of the "soot" from this to be more vaporous (if there is such a word), as opposed to substantial. I mean, I know that standing around a smoky fire makes your clothes smell of smoke, but one doesn't necessarily see the soot. One can get smudges on one's hand from charcoal, and putting your hand into the very tip of a candle's flame can generate a cool, wispy black mark on the skin... What exactly would cause the marks that I would be simulating in my weathering? Heat? Flash (flame, I guess?)? I see your point about rocket versus laser bolt...

    And Desloc and Zurath, I'm gonna go see if I can pull up images of what you suggest. Is there a particular weapon I should be looking for, or do you think I might be able to find images of burn or flash patterns on gunships? It probably won't give me the image of what kind of a mark would be created on a person, since it would have to wrap down the back, but it would be interesting.
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    Jan 31, 2008, 6:06 PM - Re: A question for those with experience firing rocket launchers... #17

    You may be surprised how little markings are around the rocket pod. We are shooting gunnery this week. I will go out and take pictures of the pod and aircraft and send your way. You will find that the aircraft receives no "scorching" from the rockets.
    Mike
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    Jan 31, 2008, 10:39 PM - Re: A question for those with experience firing rocket launchers... #18

    That would be great. I appreciate the help and look forward to the pix.
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    Feb 1, 2008, 11:24 AM - Re: A question for those with experience firing rocket launchers... #19

    I'd suspect that since most (if not all) RPG's today use solid fuel to propell them. i.e. Blackpowder/gunpowder which actually produces white smoke so i'm not sure how much black sot you should add..

    The flame, however, could possibly leave some scorching on the right side of the helmet as the rocket exits the fireing tube but i'd belive that the backside would be left pretty unscaved.
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    Feb 1, 2008, 2:55 PM - Re: A question for those with experience firing rocket launchers... #20

    Big thing here is this: The tube of the RL should be long enough that you don't get any scorching or anything. Solid fuel, so no soot on the front, and the back would just discharge smoke.

    Not hands-on, but through extensive observation.
  21. DarkeSword2020 is offline DarkeSword2020
    Feb 1, 2008, 3:14 PM - Re: A question for those with experience firing rocket launchers... #21

    I figured they pretty much said what I was going to say.."sorry for the late reply also"

    - Darke
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    Feb 1, 2008, 7:46 PM - Re: A question for those with experience firing rocket launchers... #22

    If anything, you'd get some pretty good scratching on your collar armor on the side that the launcher rests, and any soft parts between the launcher's resting spot and your armor would be worn thin.

    The point of a launcher is to hurt the dude in front of you, not yourself, so there's really not much of any burn that you yourself would receive. Now, if you were standing a few feet behind another dude who was firing a RL, you'd get a face full of hot gas and soot and a free trip to the floor for sure.
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    Feb 2, 2008, 8:19 PM - Re: A question for those with experience firing rocket launchers... #23

    Originally, I envisioned a guy who dealt primarily in munitions, but liked to stand almost within blast range--kinda pyro. I planned to soot him up pretty well, with heavy, front-facing armor. When thinking about weapons, a big launcher just seemed to make the most sense. I know that launchers are supposed to damage the other guy, and I'm trying to resist a "no kidding?" comment. As I mentioned above, powder residue is left from discharging a firearm, and I think I imagined someone who'd blow up absolutely anything he could, fire a rocket launcher at the drop of a hat--anything just to see a flash. I guess I figured that being around that kind of destruction would blacken things, but if darkening of the suit would be negligible, I'll live with it. The scratches on the shoulder and collar pieces are a good idea.

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