Just saw this on TDH's FB page...
Discussion on ESB HERO copy???? within the The Sarlacc Pit forum, part of the Community category; Um what? Just saw this on TDH 's FB page...
Just saw this on TDH's FB page...
While I'd definitely love to own one just because, I really don't expect to see this get released in my life since efX is handling it.
I don't want to judge this helmet before it comes out, and I KNOW it won't have the faults that the MR had considering TDH members oversaw it, but such a specific piece AND paint job is hard to capture in mass production.
It's going to be a great looking piece I'm sure, but I wouldn't troop in one after owning most of the EFX helmets and feeling how hot they get with the padding and such. I think this piece for a majority will belong on a display of some sort or tucked away in a box like the MRs are. Lol.
This is molded off the ESB hero helmet....yes...they got to CAST the HERO helmet.....
Game over...this is it
I'm intrigued for sure. I really want to hear the history behind this endeavor. Casting a screenused helmet is something I figured would never happen.
How did this happen? I figured GL would never let the actual lid get cast. These are going to sell really fast, if they actually make them.
Sounds like Disney is opening the coveted LFL archives to some very lucky vendors for prop replicas. eFX is also doing a full screen accurate ANH Stormie suit, according to my FB feed.
I agree with Wolfsburg, I'd love to hear the backstory on this new helmet.
Amazing! I'd write a longer reply, but I'm afraid my drool will short out my keyboard.
Looks good,but think ill stick to FP new lid,being down to the fact that its pretty likely this will be massed produced no doubt somewhere in the Far East,would rather have it from a trusted vendor who knows what he's doing...
So most of the time I fire from the hip as far as posting...with this thread though I wanted to think about what I wanted to say first. And Danzo hit the nail on the head....Somewhat what I was thinking. Now with that said, and seeing the thing you still have to wonder what process they will use, if it will be painted, who will be painting it, what they will be using to paint it, how much will it cost, when will it be out available to the public (if it even happens) and if its outsourced overseas whos economy are we helping here? I really would LOVE to have this helmet in my collection which is about to get back to where it was before I went to Korea. This thing looks really cool, but in the end believe half of what you see none of what you hear. When its on sale then we can talk more.
It's all answered here, complete with video of them molding the helmet:
The Holy Grail of Boba Fett ? Part 1* | The RPF Pulse
Hardly all answered...but there is alot of info there...none of my questions are answered in Arts pulse post
Well the post was a "part 1". Who knows how many more parts will be added. Maybe you'll find out. lol
Is it just me, but can't help thinking this is a bit of a shame?
little vid of it happening
eFX - Original Empire Strikes Back Boba Fett Helmet Molding - YouTube
It looks nice for sure. But as previously stated who knows what the end production pieces will look like. Plus it will be forever and a day before we actually see it in anyone's hands. I am still waiting for them to release their biker scout helmet that they showed off last year.
Bit of a shame? Why?
I am surprised that people aren't hugely excited about the idea that the ESB hero helmet was cast!
All the mystery, gone. All the years of fettling to achieve accuracy, null and void...LOL!
Hey, but at least we learned there definitely is a 'wavy brow' on the ESB helmet, and that it's not an optical illusion due to the paint up.
I'm with Danzo and F4R. I'll stick with FP and the talented artists here.
I'm still going to get one of these whether it sits on a shelf or not. The lineage has won me over. Still love my ASOK FP Budget and considering the FPH2.
Hopefully it won't come to that, but if the factory paintjob proves to be that bad, I'd probably just have the whole thing stripped and repainted by one of the talented artists in the Fett world. I just hope the helmet itself isn't exorbitantly expensive! This helmet's lineage is pretty much the holy grail for Fett helmet fans (unless you prefer the ROTJ helmet! ) so pricing makes me a bit nervous.
I'm curious though, if thats the "Legend" edition, why is there no visible signs of the crack in the left corner mandible? Legend means its not modified correct?
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Now all those Malone Fett Sales make sense.
I can't help but feel a bit of sad emotions. It's just my opinion but that thing doesn't need to be touched and behind glass. It's priceless. Now that someone has and poured a bunch of castings materials all over it, it doesn't seem as special, rare and mysterious. Maybe that's just me.
I'll stick to a friend who makes my lids from his own hands.
I have very mixed feelings about this. Of course, we never dreamed that this would or could happen. I always hoped it would, but now that it has, my dream of it happening is over. I know this sounds crazy but like most have said, the mystery is gone. It's exciting but at the same time, I feel the original has been cheapened. It's legend status belongs on show out of our hands (in my opinion). I know not everyone will agree with me saying that, and even as I type I'm saying 'what a douche'. We all want that perfect Fett, of course we do. I do! So why do I feel a little sad that has happened? Would I buy one if it was available? Hell yeah. So I'm contradicting myself. Oh my word this hobby..........
Legend has never meant unmodified because there is always some modification necessary, no different than with the Grant McCune helmet, the Banzai/ESB or even the Malone Fett. The difference here is the purity of the casting and lineage. The waters haven't been muddied.
For me, this closes one chapter of a very long book and I very much appreciate the helmet for what it is; the very best we will ever get of this helmet, without owning the original. The thing to remember is that this is not the only part of the Fett costume and there are still a thousand mountains out there to climb and challenge yourself upon. Climb them!
I agree with the majority. I will hopefully buy one. But that doesn't mean I am happy. It seemed like a crime to watch the video, ESB hero just covered.... It was a ton more fun to look at old photographs and speculate in order to achieve accuracy. I mean, look at all those amazing suits out there that are hand made by people on here. Not by companies. Hand made helmet molds that took months. Armor that has gone through many versions. Stencils made by people studying suits behind glass, or grainy screen captures. We didn't need a mold of the real deal, because we all sort of felt that the ESB hero is a relic not to be trifled with.
Now that said, I really want one. I am also thankful that this was oversaw by Art, whom I think we can all agree took exceptional care of the helmet and ensured it retained its condition.
You say that we didn't need a mold of the real deal.... no? From as far back as I can remember, lineage has meant virtually everything to many on this board as well as a number of others. While we are stand in awe of those who sculpt and create things from scratch, many yearn for something that traces back to the original. The first I really recall was the "mystery" helmets. They were claimed to have lineage (although at the time we didn't know what) and everyone was clamoring for one. Then came the MR... scanned directly from a real helmet... but many weren't really happy with the fact that a scan is so imprecise. I remember, at the time, that many complained about MR using scanning as opposed to casting, but begrudgingly accepted that LFL wouldn't allow casting. Along the way, various iterations of the second prototype have been coveted by the few who could get them which led to the GMH project. Didn't need a mold of the real deal? FP sold so many he couldn't catch up for over three years! The selling point? That he was offering a helmet with as early a lineage as we knew from the second prototype... meaning... it was molded... and damaged by men who were absolute professionals in the industry. Even FP's most recent offering is due to an RotJ stunt helmet being molded after the ESB helmet was molded the first time.... so a double molding of pieces from the original production!
Yet suddenly, when the holy grail that so many have wished and longed for is provided in the cleanest way possible... people have mixed feelings... as if it never occurred to them what would be required to make this possible.
As I have said before, the ESB helmet has already been cast, during the making of RotJ... so it had already been vetted as an item that could endure the casting process and eFX spent an entire day ensuring that every precaution was taken to make the casting process as safe as possible, so I am not sure why some are expressing their regret, as this isn't the first time this helmet has been molded.
I guess I liked the thought of having a helmet molded from the original pp2, and the actual hero helmets being something untouchable. I like the fact that Boba Fett was a strange character injected into the film with no knowledge of how beloved he would become. People love him for more than the look. They love him for the mystery and intrigue. I like that about his original role. Don't get me wrong. I want one of these helmets because of their lineage, but I also totally enjoy the mystery and creativity involved with making a Boba Fett without the ease some of the other suits have (stormtroopers for one).
I guess I feel a bit torn. I love the idea of owning one, but I am a bit saddened by the fact that we CAN own one, hahaha. And I totally agree with you about it being about the journey, not the destination. I didn't mean to come off in a weird way. I guess we all just love the thrill of not knowing all there is to know about this suit.
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Also, keep in mind we did not get the awe inspiring experience of touching the ESB hero helm
Don't worry. You didn't come off weird. Just trying to understand the mentality behind those who feel the way you do.
And don't get me wrong... I too feel a touch of emptiness and a bit of "what now?" But... we still have armor to track down... a jetpack... soft parts. Lot of challenges and obstacles to overcome before we reach the end of this very long journey. This is but one step!
So to understand the process, after cleaning up and sterilizing the mold , you made a second mold, pull a casting and send it to china for another round of production run molds. This effectively makes it three generations from the original with shrinkage in between each molding and casting stage.
Adding in factory paint jobs as well.
I appreciate the lineage but am trying to understand the direct from original moniker.
Don't hold me to this as I don't know this to be absolute fact, but, my understanding is that the cleaned up master will be sent to China and multiple molds will be created from that single master from which the final helmets will be created.
Also, I think calling it "cleaning and sterilizing is to misunderstand the process of creating the master as it implies details are being purposefully removed to keep them out of your hands. The master has the paint details removed because new paint will be laid down and it would be impossible to do so exactly along every line. Additionally, all the damage that has occurred between filming and now has been removed. It isn't so much a cleaning and sterilized as it has been prepped for production.
Thanks Art. Just stumbled upon this, this morning.
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From what they say an original mold is made, casting taken from it, that is cleaned/fixed and a new mold is created. A new master cast is then pulled and that is sent to China.
Just trying to enlighten myself and others about the process. Thanks for your help.
I wouldn't put a tremendous amount of stock into what Cal is posting. He has spread a lot of misinformation about this project due to being upset about us deleting a sales thread of his on the RPF because he couldn't follow the rules, so in childish retaliation he is making a number of assumptions and bold statements based on resentment and speculation. How petty is that?
Also, Peel, I removed that link from your post as I have little interest helping Cal spread his misinformation through our site. I know you didn't post it in order to do that... but we certainly don't want to encourage disinformation propagation.
Wasn't my intent Art. Sorry. Just looking from clarity. From my basic understanding of the process what he said seemed credible. Didn't realize there was a vendetta angle. I haven't been around the RPF that often. Thanks.
If its to create a helmet for part of the Star Wars series or additional movies, I can swallow that. But if its put into archives and brought out so a company can mass produce it, I feel bad about that. I feel it belongs behind glass. This is only my opinion and I'm not trying to to offend anyone.
I would love a used sniper rifle from Vietnam due to the history and and value....however I'm not gonna take it out and shoot it. I'm not really a collector.
I guess to sum it up. I like the untouchable status of certain props in movies. Now that it is, I guess it's like you said. What now?
Seeing the comments that a lot of people have made across the net, I think many are unaware that the helmet had been cast previously. What is really fun to watch is certain people taking shots at eFX casting this helmet, while they are currently profiting off the helmet having been cast before. Try to wrap your head around that bit of craziness!
Fans: "We demand accuracy! We demand accuracy"
Prop Makers: "Here are some very accurate helmets for you to buy."
Fans: "Thank you. Those are nice and we will buy them for now, but we want MORE accuracy!"
eFX: "Here you go. Cast right off the original, just as you always wanted."
Fans: "Ummm... wow... I don't know. I can't deny that this is the most accurate that I will ever own, but just in this moment, I have realized I don't want to OBTAIN accuracy but want to PURSUE accuracy. Ummm..."
Fans: "We demand the unending pursuit of accuracy but also demand that it always be unobtainable!"
Art I dont think anyone will dispute that they WANT this helmet...isnt that undeniable? I think the questions of when will we see it, how much will it cost, how close to the original helmet will it be in size (will there be any shrinkage)...what materials will be used, what visor will be used, what lights will be used in the RF. ALOT of people here USE their helmets, they dont just stick them on a shelf to be in awe of. Some collectors will do that, and will want the licensed helmet. Just like the MR...for the name its like owning a pair of OG Jordans new in box...theyre priceless. This helmet if it makes it through production will be something similar one day, priceless... But god knows you wouldnt put them on your feet and walk around in them. So I guess if the helmet comes out and is a perfect replica of the helmet in Empire many people will want it... but with a sizable price tag more then likely due to the pedigree it has, how many will be able to afford it and use it for such purposes as trooping? If its comparable in price to building a helmet maybe, but really it'll be more of a collectors item and worth more if it was not worn...so where does that leave the guy with the lid.
As far as I'm concerned, eFX Collectibles can SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY.
Since lineage is so important to us, let me know if I've got this straight...
Screen-used ESB: Second generation
eFX Helmet (as diplayed at Comic-Con): Third generation
eFX mass-produced helmets: Third, possibly fourth generation (depending on the process used by the overseas facility)
Will eFX be shipping a helmet overseas for a new mold to be made? Or will they ship the mold that eFX made at Lucasfilm?
Any information will be appreciated.
Original helmet cast.
Master lightly sanded to remove paint. Cracks (most of which are from AFTER the filming of ESB) removed/filled.
Molding master pulled and brought to SDCC.
It is my understanding from that from here, the molding master will be sent to China where they will make a ton of molds from it and start pumping out the final helmets.
You asked if the mold eFX made of the original helmet would be shipped to China. Never. First, they wouldn't know what to do with it. Second, they couldn't make a finished helmet from it... and you don't want a minimum wage Chinese worker who has never heard of Boba Fett trying to determine the details of your Fett helmet. Third, the chances of the mold being returned intact would be slim to none. Also, you have to realize that mold was made solely for the purpose of pulling a master and nothing more. It wouldn't hold up under the strain of having pull after pull taken from it and it would slowly deteriorate. There were an incredibly small amount of pulls taken from it and only so a production mold master could be created.
When will you see it? Hard to say. We all know eFX has REALLY REALLY long production times. But... I have been waiting over 12 years for something like this. Another year or so won't kill me.
How much will it cost? I don't know. My guess would be more than $500, and less than $1000, but I am not the one to say and when I asked Bryan, he simply did not know yet.
How close to the original helmet will it be in size? Closer than anything else we will ever see. That might sound like a smart-*** answer, but it is simply the truth. I took tracings of the bottom of the helmet while we were there so, when the final production piece comes out, we can plop it down on that tracing and see, but I expect, if eFX does their job and maintains QC it will be virtually an exact match.
What materials will be used? Fiberglass.
What visor will be used? A visor of correct thickness and color, custom made for this project. Again... unlike any that has ever been produced before. Welding visors are out!
What lights will be used? I don't know. They haven't even begun to look at the electronics or how they will tackle that. This is PURE speculation, but my guess is that they MIGHT try to do something self contained in the RF as opposed to the nightmare of running wires through the stalk. Since Gino is doing all of this, he will be in a better position to answer it.
Exactly what people want to hear...below $1000....that is. Its just can they do that and maintain a quality piece, will it have metal ears etc...We can wait and see but the more answers we get now the better people can plan ahead as far as if they will buy it or end up saying this isnt for them.
Keep in mind, while I helped document this project and while I am close with both Gino and Bryan, I am not an eFX employee or spokesman, so when I tell you I BELIEVE it will be under $1,000 don't hold their feet to the fire if it isn't. That is just my best guess based on other helmets.
If you have a specific question that I have not already answered and that isn't simply parroting Cal's comments, I am more than happy to address it.
Hey Art, if you need any ideas for the lights in the RF, let me know. So far everyone that bought my self contained unit likes them. I can also come up with something that uses the micro switch.
Art, I want to thank you for providing (involuntarily?) the first shot of the ESB dome top area, which helped me to compare my stencil with the original helmet, so here is the result:
The top images were used to create the dome top scratch with lots of stretching and resizing and the end result is pretty good.
I just hope that you were allowed to photo shoot the ESB helmet, the same way you did with the MR Proto and the GMH (but especially the MR Proto where you had the top and bottom shots too).
thanks for making this possbile and basicly overseen the whole process. Now, can we have a pre sale for thedentedhelmet.com community?
We will certainly be working with eFX to ensure that TDH members have an opportunity to get one of these... remember, the Vader sold out in 4 minutes... we don't want that to happen to you guys.
Also, I dont' want to take credit where credit isn't due. I didn't make this possible. eFX did that. I just got to come along for the epic ride!
I'm not here to start an argument with you on this, but I think we should let Cal answer that question as to his motivation for stating what he did. I'd like to think I know him personally much better than anyone here, and I know he did not say what he said out of petty spite or retaliation. If we were in a court room, your statement would be dismissed as pure speculation
Cal and I have never had a run in... then, we have had two in the last 3 days followed immediately by his scathing, yet, largely ill-informed speculatory rant that 1) was pointless as the deed has already been done, without the helmet being damaged in any way and the masters coming from the mold being absolute perfection and 2) only created to stir the pot with other malcontents. Notice he posted on his facebook pages and on the BHG... where he knows we don't go...
His posting was nothing BUT petty childishness. I have little interest in his defense of trying to shame eFX by fearmongering about "what might have been."
We all know there are fans that want want want for lineage and accuracy and a direct casting. Im not one of those. Thats their choice. Sure I like accuracy, who the hell doesn't. But do I want a priceless (to me and some others), mysterious helmet and actual prop from the movies touched.....no. I've preferred to give me hard earned money to people who create on the board. That's my choice. Your little convo in that post doesn't apply to me. If this was an end goal for you and some others then thats fine..awesome. Everyone has dreams and goals. I've simply stated my opinion in this thread that I would've preferred it remain in its status. That is all.
So it was confusing I stated I would have loved to see the helmet not casted anymore and remain somewhat mysterious? Or better yet still in some glass on display?
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Taking this to PM's
So because I have spent the better part of my life studying Boba Fett and painting tons of helmets I feel as though I'm qualified to post here.
Okay that is complete sarcasm but since I had the opportunity to see the helmet at SDCC and talk to Gino I would like to add my two cents in.
First, I should say having met Gino I know for a fact that he is not the brash person that he may come off as online. (Or even you Art for that matter!) You have to understand that he was presented the opportunity to cast a helmet many felt would never be recast. What would you do in that situation? No. I don't want to hold this helmet that has been so long studied. No I don't want to offer this to other Boba Fett fans? Gino is a fanboy just like the rest of us. Sure is it going to be ultimately cast for a profit... Of course. But that was not his first concern or thought.
Reading all the arguments and concerns it just seems like to me it comes down to buy it if you want to or don't. I'm convinced after conversations with Gino that he took every measure necessary to preserve the helmet and maintain not only the integrity of helmets to be reproduced but also the one he casted from. I wish y'all could see the expression and excitement on his face as he described all the details of the helmet. Finding out the true color of the visor. How many parts the rangefinder breaks down into. It makes me happy to see people who are still passionate about this project and hobby despite all the scrutiny and discouragement. I am looking forward to this helmet and will happily display or use it.
Yes there are a lot of questions left but reading through a lot of responses isn't that what drew everyone here to Boba Fett originally?
Everything LF said was correct except for one thing.
Don't listen to her about me not being brash, (I have a rep to protect you know).
Am I allowed to defend myself against your accusations and name calling? If I try, can I trust that you won't just delete my post?
I am not an active poster on these forums anymore yet you chose to defame me here, where I can't readily defend myself.
My guess is you are just very defensive given all of your years dealing with people on these forums and that is understandable. I have seen a lot of people grow cynical as they grow older. Although, didn't you make a post on facebook a couple of weeks ago that you choose to look at the root of an issue and try to understand where people are coming from, implying that you don't just jump on the bandwagon with a pitchfork. Are you sure you are doing that now or are you driving the carriage, while I'm hiding in the windmill?
Do you feel my review of the molding process was an attack on anyone in particular? Do you feel it was an attack against You? Why did you get worked up over my review? Why did you message me on facebook and call me petty and ignorant? Do you think Gore Verbinski is on a rampage against all the critics who defamed the new Lone Ranger movie? You guys posted that video on the internet, a public arena, where it can and will get reviewed and possibly reviewed in such a way that you don't like. I have had people rip into my creations before. Gino comes to mind Now you delete the link to my review (which is o.k. it doesn't have to be here) but why can't people be allowed to read it? If they want to read it, they can find me and it on facebook.
You know fair well that my review will only bring more people to see the video and boost interest in it. I wouldn't say my review is negative in such a way that it could possibly reduce the number of sales. Even "if" my review was bad advertising, it is still advertising, wouldn't you say? The only potentially negative thing I said that might regard or influence customers and sales is the fact of shrinkage, which you have confirmed here yourself. Is that a bad thing? No. Is it inevitable? Yes. Can it be reduced to the absolute minimum? Definitely.
Art, I would have thought that you of all people would understand the points I was addressing and respect them, analyze them, and think them through, because this involved an original Fett helmet. Did you simply get emotional at the beginning, take it personally, and get stuck on your own feelings? There were incredible risks involved with making the mold in such a way and it didn't just scare me. FP even backed me up. So did a few other mold makers who have been in the hobby for so, so many years. Are you saying that the coincidence of the RPF thread "issue" holds enough weight that my points are conjured or not valid? Most of these people on these forums haven't made enough mistakes, making molds to know when to be careful. You HAVE to make mistakes to learn and a rare piece such as that helmet should not be taken for granted. So, you say a mold has been taken from it already? Did they take into consideration that silicone residue left on an item can cause new silicone to bond to it? I have experienced this first hand. Have you or the efx guys ever had a mold permanently, or even partially bond to a master, ruining both the mold and the master?
Art, dude, I had a couple people tell me about what you have posted here, through text messages, and they said I might want to try to defend myself. They even said to me that they wanted to back me up but were afraid they might get kicked off of the forums if they did. Are you running this place through intimidation? Should I worry now that you might just "delete" me on a whim? How often do you see me starting a fuss on the forums? Do you know how long I've been on the forums? I've been around since 1999, if you didn't realize it. I don't get involved with that stuff, like may others do. I prefer to be positive, share informational things, try to have fun. Do you follow any of my threads on any of the forums (rpf for example)? Is that the type of person you believe me to be?
BTW, for what it's worth, the RPF thread thing had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with my review on the EFX video. Coincidence? Sure! The only thing about that, that I was upset with was how it was handled. I didn't "choose to ignore" the rules. I never post things for sale on those forums. I posted my thread out of habit and didn't put a price. That's the way the forums used to be and that's how most forums are. When the members called me out on it I figured o.k. I don't want to put a price so the mods will take care of it. No biggie. It was after that, that it was handled poorly. I tried to explain it to you and Montagar. I'm not sure how to convince you of that. I suppose maybe we should have talked on the phone over that so you didn't read into what I was saying. I think you are grasping, perhaps even projecting a little, I have no idea why you would jump to conclusions and make accusations as you are. Could it be because I am a long time 501st member and I strongly support the 501st? Eh, probably not. That's probably just coincidence albeit maybe the tables are just turned in that example
Holy cow dude. Why are you so upset and attacking me like this? I don't know if you mean to do it, but your comments are very offensive. The world through the eyes of Art must be an amazing place.
So your defaming me here is justified then?
I logged on here because some concerned friends told me what you had said.
I am not a every day reader, therefor I am not readily able to defend myself...ya dig?
Breaking the rules with an agenda??? ***?! I don't even know how to respond to that. My sale thread on the RPF wasn't that important. I just threw the hoth set up there to see if someone would bite because I'm struggling and I don't have space for it anyway. Is it possible for you to re-read what we talked about (over the RPF thing) and maybe see Montagars pm's too, to try and view it from a different viewpoint? The timing WAS a coincidence. The ONLY thing I was trying to point out to you during that talk was the fact that both the prop clubs and the 501st have "tools" in them... or people with little respect and that maybe you shouldn't rip on the 501st so much. That's all. I didn't care at all about that, after that.
Thanks for putting words in my mouth for people to conjecture over..."drooling idiots" huh? dang dude! Is that how my review read to you? Is that how you perceive me to be? How about everyone else? I even said I assume the mold makers were just really excited and perhaps they didn't consider all the risks involved. If that equals "drooling idiots"... ..I don't even know how to respond to you over that.
Well dang man, you have put me on the defensive. I tried to type that as best as I could. I'm not trying to be mean to you. I'm not calling you names or making judgements against you. How shall I defend myself regarding what I did? Do I truly "need" to defend myself against posting a review online? You mentioned that I didn't post it here. Of course not. You would delete it in a heartbeat..so why bother.
How can I defend myself against your calling me petty and ignorant? Do you suppose you ever exhibit these traits? How would you defend yourself if you were in my position?
If anyone has questions about any of this or would like to talk, please feel free. Y'all know where to find me
Your message to me:
You said the same things here in this thread.
You haven't bothered to back down from making a spectacle now have you?
Do you admit that you baited me, to bring me into this thread?
Go ahead, get the last word. I'm done. I still don't get why you are responding this way...but whatever. I have a life to attend to.
Nothing like a good old fashioned geek flame war to make us all feel young again I must say, this is my first one. It's pretty special.
O.k.. when would you want to talk?
We can even bring Gino in since he did some of the work directly.
Pick up the phone already guys.
Many years ago I was in a rock band that I loved and truly enjoyed, SF area. I spent years practicing and writing songs, I gave everything I had to this project. Long story short, an email got passed around one day and every band member had their own interpretation of what was being said. Next thing I know, I’m out and years later I found out it was all a big misunderstanding.
When Texting or conversing over Email
If it’s turning into a big deal, pick up the phone.
If you detect someone is upset by a comment you made, pick up the phone.
If they may have misunderstood your meaning, pick up the phone.
“don’t wake up in a roadside ditch”
Remember when this thread was about a Fett helmet? Those were the days...
I personally cannot wait to get my hands on one of these. It will be the most accurate bucket by far.
How do we start again,
I will try.
The last few days made me feel involved in a community and believe me I’m not very social, or vocal, even in person,
Art, with all respect (and I mean that) this is only directed at you because you posed the question... I want to help you “understand this mentality”.
“We”(you) are prop builders and painters.
“craft your fandom” wise words, some of the best words I know.
My first scratch built prop was in 1983, a darth vader chest plate thing, it was cardboard and I was 13. my last scratch build was a battle droid in 2012, and I was 42.
I guess what I’m trying to say is some of us can’t get that exited about something we can’t cast, or even paint really without devaluing such an expensive object, I for one will never be able to afford to own one.
Also the harder part I’m sorry.
As the last day has touched us all we are reminded that sharing important discoveries and research, knowing who put the work into your helmet or project, is what makes this place buzz, and live, I know, you know this, you started it.
As much as I’d like to get to know the people in china who will make the efx lids, I won’t, or can’t, it just feels to big, like we’re not involved.
It’s people that’s all.
Art ,Gino any idea if we months away from seeing this retail or years?