Evilhemmes
Hunter
Ok for some of you that are not sure what im talking about click on S1P's discovery link here. Soz guys pic heavy to some degree as detail needed
http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/f23/nubs-back-helmet-you-know-inside-slots-39235/#post522433
I have tried to do some major research using my dental technician/background trying to locate and possess, hopefully what i believe is the real deal for our fett accurate nutbags. Ok so going to take everyone on a really boring adventure (sorry if you fall asleep) and ill show what ive come up with so far. So where do i start, i went to my mate, the one i sourced the glenross from as he has been a tech for a long time and with his wife being a dental nurse and now a dental rep (25 years experience) i thought she would be a good starting point. So after some discussion and her taking a pic of the nate-nubs around to people she works with, and some friends that she used to work with ect, a few names of manufacturer were thrown around, Maillifer (swiss), Miltex (USA), Kerr (USA) sybron (USA)Henry Schein-Halas (Europe, USA) ect most all have distributors in one form or another throughout the world. Some companies remain, others eaten up by others, Miltex bought out Moyco/Union broach ect. i ended up harrassing every main known dental supplier in OZ and overseas and had quite alot of help and advice from other sales reps ect. Been in touch with Universitys and Museums in OZ and overseas as well and had alot of helpfull info.
so the 1st set of files i could get my hands on are a Swiss made file from Maillifer, now these are real old school trying to come up with a date of make, via Dr Scott Swank from the National Museum of Dentistry in Baltimore and Professor Henry Atkinson Curator or Melbourne dental university museum, but im thinking maybe pre war (WWII) still attached to a handle but the thing that interested me most was the colour and the ribbing hopefully allowing me to use these as a tool for more investigation down the Maillifer pathway. Heres a few pics. Dr Swank confirmed these files as pre WWII on the 11-01-2011
ok next up are the Kerr Files now the date of manufacture was 1956 as identified via Dr Scott Swank. these have the parallel ribbing but still not what we are after and are quite small.
ok so next Batter up was the medidenta manufactured in France, date unsure off but these are close to S1P post 23 except they dont have the hole to pass dental floss through so that they can tie it around there hand so that the file doesnt fall down there throat, remember they werent using dental dam and some private practice's still dont in some countries. ok so these are numbered 15 and they have a similar head and groove to the ones on the helmet that we are looking for, but are tapered in the middle this obviously a change to allow more grip, as to taper the other way would make them more clumsy to handle.
ok so that it for my 1st couple of batches, will take some pics when the next ones roll in.
here are some emails i got from suppliers, leading me to dead ends
email dated on the 22-11-2010
I am sorry to say that we do not have any of our Product Catalogs archived to send to you. Going by the description you gave, we have not had any product matching that description in the past ten years that I have been with DENTSPLY Maillefer North America. You may want to try sending this request to this address, infomaillifer
Thank you for your interest in our products.
Sincerely,
Karen Stewart
so i did, and have had no contact from them.
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ok so on the 30-11-2010 i recieved this email
I believe that these were Union Broach metal handle files. They may have been carbon steel, so they would have been sterilized in a glass-bead or molten-metal sterilizer. Miltex bought Union Broach a while back and the metal-handle files no longer show in the catalogue.
I know of nobody who currently manufactures these.
Kim
Mr. R. Kim Bleiweiss |*Product Manager
1717 W. Collins Avenue, Orange, CA *92867 714.817.4120* | kim.bleiweiss@sybrondental.com*|* Endodontic diagnostics, preparation, cleaning, obturation, ultrasonics, microsurgery and retreatment - SybronEndo
SybronEndo*| Safe files, superior fills.
A DIVISION OF SYBRON DENTAL SPECIALTIES
the reason for a glass bead sterilizer is the files would have been put in numbered end into the sand (the glass beads are sand material to sand blast with) and steam and heat would pass through the sand to sterilize file ready for the next patient
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Hello Matthew - please note after investigation it was noted this product was never "MADE" by Moyco or Union Broach. It may be possible a product was marketed by Union Broach with this type handle --- but if it was it was made by others as a private label for Union Broach.
Sorry this is all the information that we have, Thank you Liz
Elizabeth S. McFadden
International Sales Administrator (Asia, Middle East & Africa)
so a few dead ends (lots actually) No maillifer, No kerr, No medidenta hit a brick wall for abit, then i started to hit a few other places i could think off and thats when i believe things got more exciting for us
i see a lufo esb jp file in there and a F4R ROtj jp file in there, the product catalogue shows the 15 at the top and then packets of the colour codeing following ect. now the colour coding is for dentists to visualize as well as the see the number on the end, so that they dont have to look at there dental nurse and ask W.T.F if she handles a wrong file. To my eye when they jump an increment colour on these particular file match they seem to display a second ring, see the colour code below this is uniform for most endo files wether k,h type ect. or files we are looking for seem to run with the 2nd pictured code.
h strom colour code
reamer colour code
k strom colour code
looking at this pic from this view to me the silver file looks larger than the red one, but again take with a grain of salt as camera angle's can be unforgiving
could possibly be a 35 or a 70 as represented by the white on the second colour chart
another pic zooming again makes the silver file appears bigger than the red
this pic looks as if the silver file has dropped off, or was not added
prepro1 the files look different sizes again but could be the angle
spideyfett's collage, prepro gaunts silver/red look similar size, Esb Jp file blue, prepro Jp file red, esb gaunt silver red
in the following weeks (christmas has slowed progress down, mail ect) i will be receiving, some of these files (the 15's among others)and let me tell you they werent cheap ( from Europe, shipping the killer) so hopefully this will confirm them for me 100% as none of the pics support the numerical number on the endo of the files but im pretty sure they will, as colour and number is what a dentist needs to visualize not to make mistakes. As for finding these i really am unsure as to what success anyone would have about as much as a glenross or a MQ1 calc, ect rare, some goulish endodontist may have a private collection somewhere stashed in his basement, or if you have a really old endodontist that you visit he might still be using them and sterilizing in a 30 year old sterilizer.
http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/f23/nubs-back-helmet-you-know-inside-slots-39235/#post522433
I have tried to do some major research using my dental technician/background trying to locate and possess, hopefully what i believe is the real deal for our fett accurate nutbags. Ok so going to take everyone on a really boring adventure (sorry if you fall asleep) and ill show what ive come up with so far. So where do i start, i went to my mate, the one i sourced the glenross from as he has been a tech for a long time and with his wife being a dental nurse and now a dental rep (25 years experience) i thought she would be a good starting point. So after some discussion and her taking a pic of the nate-nubs around to people she works with, and some friends that she used to work with ect, a few names of manufacturer were thrown around, Maillifer (swiss), Miltex (USA), Kerr (USA) sybron (USA)Henry Schein-Halas (Europe, USA) ect most all have distributors in one form or another throughout the world. Some companies remain, others eaten up by others, Miltex bought out Moyco/Union broach ect. i ended up harrassing every main known dental supplier in OZ and overseas and had quite alot of help and advice from other sales reps ect. Been in touch with Universitys and Museums in OZ and overseas as well and had alot of helpfull info.
so the 1st set of files i could get my hands on are a Swiss made file from Maillifer, now these are real old school trying to come up with a date of make, via Dr Scott Swank from the National Museum of Dentistry in Baltimore and Professor Henry Atkinson Curator or Melbourne dental university museum, but im thinking maybe pre war (WWII) still attached to a handle but the thing that interested me most was the colour and the ribbing hopefully allowing me to use these as a tool for more investigation down the Maillifer pathway. Heres a few pics. Dr Swank confirmed these files as pre WWII on the 11-01-2011
ok next up are the Kerr Files now the date of manufacture was 1956 as identified via Dr Scott Swank. these have the parallel ribbing but still not what we are after and are quite small.
ok so next Batter up was the medidenta manufactured in France, date unsure off but these are close to S1P post 23 except they dont have the hole to pass dental floss through so that they can tie it around there hand so that the file doesnt fall down there throat, remember they werent using dental dam and some private practice's still dont in some countries. ok so these are numbered 15 and they have a similar head and groove to the ones on the helmet that we are looking for, but are tapered in the middle this obviously a change to allow more grip, as to taper the other way would make them more clumsy to handle.
ok so that it for my 1st couple of batches, will take some pics when the next ones roll in.
here are some emails i got from suppliers, leading me to dead ends
email dated on the 22-11-2010
I am sorry to say that we do not have any of our Product Catalogs archived to send to you. Going by the description you gave, we have not had any product matching that description in the past ten years that I have been with DENTSPLY Maillefer North America. You may want to try sending this request to this address, infomaillifer
Thank you for your interest in our products.
Sincerely,
Karen Stewart
so i did, and have had no contact from them.
next
ok so on the 30-11-2010 i recieved this email
I believe that these were Union Broach metal handle files. They may have been carbon steel, so they would have been sterilized in a glass-bead or molten-metal sterilizer. Miltex bought Union Broach a while back and the metal-handle files no longer show in the catalogue.
I know of nobody who currently manufactures these.
Kim
Mr. R. Kim Bleiweiss |*Product Manager
1717 W. Collins Avenue, Orange, CA *92867 714.817.4120* | kim.bleiweiss@sybrondental.com*|* Endodontic diagnostics, preparation, cleaning, obturation, ultrasonics, microsurgery and retreatment - SybronEndo
SybronEndo*| Safe files, superior fills.
A DIVISION OF SYBRON DENTAL SPECIALTIES
the reason for a glass bead sterilizer is the files would have been put in numbered end into the sand (the glass beads are sand material to sand blast with) and steam and heat would pass through the sand to sterilize file ready for the next patient
next
Hello Matthew - please note after investigation it was noted this product was never "MADE" by Moyco or Union Broach. It may be possible a product was marketed by Union Broach with this type handle --- but if it was it was made by others as a private label for Union Broach.
Sorry this is all the information that we have, Thank you Liz
Elizabeth S. McFadden
International Sales Administrator (Asia, Middle East & Africa)
so a few dead ends (lots actually) No maillifer, No kerr, No medidenta hit a brick wall for abit, then i started to hit a few other places i could think off and thats when i believe things got more exciting for us
i see a lufo esb jp file in there and a F4R ROtj jp file in there, the product catalogue shows the 15 at the top and then packets of the colour codeing following ect. now the colour coding is for dentists to visualize as well as the see the number on the end, so that they dont have to look at there dental nurse and ask W.T.F if she handles a wrong file. To my eye when they jump an increment colour on these particular file match they seem to display a second ring, see the colour code below this is uniform for most endo files wether k,h type ect. or files we are looking for seem to run with the 2nd pictured code.
h strom colour codereamer colour codek strom colour codelooking at this pic from this view to me the silver file looks larger than the red one, but again take with a grain of salt as camera angle's can be unforgiving
could possibly be a 35 or a 70 as represented by the white on the second colour chart
another pic zooming again makes the silver file appears bigger than the red
this pic looks as if the silver file has dropped off, or was not added
prepro1 the files look different sizes again but could be the angle
spideyfett's collage, prepro gaunts silver/red look similar size, Esb Jp file blue, prepro Jp file red, esb gaunt silver red
in the following weeks (christmas has slowed progress down, mail ect) i will be receiving, some of these files (the 15's among others)and let me tell you they werent cheap ( from Europe, shipping the killer) so hopefully this will confirm them for me 100% as none of the pics support the numerical number on the endo of the files but im pretty sure they will, as colour and number is what a dentist needs to visualize not to make mistakes. As for finding these i really am unsure as to what success anyone would have about as much as a glenross or a MQ1 calc, ect rare, some goulish endodontist may have a private collection somewhere stashed in his basement, or if you have a really old endodontist that you visit he might still be using them and sterilizing in a 30 year old sterilizer.
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