"Nubs" on the back of the helmet. you know, inside the slots?

**slave1pilot** · 10-27-2010, 07:09 PM

Here's is what I am talking about;

Bear with me, I might be on to something, and I might not.
I believe they are Endodontic drills (or files, reamers, broaches, etc) used for Root canals
This makes sense because the Borden Connector and the Dental expander are also orthodontic tools.
look at these pics of some modern ones

as you can see above, they have different sizes with corresponding numbers on them

and here is one in a tooth for scale;

this one has the numbers on the head (like on the helmet) and also has the vertical lines as opposed to the horizontal

And look at this one!!!

**slave1pilot** · 10-27-2010, 07:21 PM

see these with the numbers on top?
i know it's small, but they are there

**Fett 4 Real** · 10-27-2010, 07:25 PM

GREAT SCOTT! I think you finally found the missing link...I used to know some people at a dental office...hmmmm some must be a dentist here

**slave1pilot** · 10-27-2010, 07:31 PM

They are also called "Engine files"
and yes, they do come in metal instead of plastic

**deadland** · 10-27-2010, 08:11 PM

Oh man you are so on to something with this and it so makes sense with all the other dental equipment that they have used.

**72555** · 10-27-2010, 10:50 PM

honestly those things on the helmet look more like bike tire valve caps from an older model bike just painted up a bit

**BooBoo Fett** · 10-27-2010, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by 72555

honestly those things on the helmet look more like bike tire valve caps from an older model bike just painted up a bit

I don't know. That would have to be one heck of a tiny valve stem

Nathan - Nice work professor. I think you nailed it!

**Mojo-Fett** · 10-27-2010, 11:39 PM

Hey Nate, very cool info! This theory definatley holds up...
Let's keep this going!

**terminal fettler** · 10-28-2010, 12:24 AM

Very interesting! Definitely not valve caps, they are too big. Even vintage style Woods valve caps are too big... But the dental tool makes perfect sense...

**BGHunter** · 10-28-2010, 12:50 AM

Im going to the dentist next week ill try to snag some and i know they use them coz i had them in my mouth the other day , still i couldnt get a borden conector from her so she should come thro on this

**Fett 4 Real** · 10-28-2010, 03:49 AM

yeh weve been over a few other things valve stems included the thing were looking for is like half the size

**Evilhemmes** · 10-28-2010, 04:35 AM

hey guys this looks right they do look the size of a endodontic root file size number (15 is that the number on the back) , finger plugger, barb broach ect im a dental technician (ex dental nurse), the grips look to run the parallel direction but they would have used older versions and in my time in dental (14 years) i havent seen these run parallel like in the last pic but could be a manufacturer desgin, and yep the others are orthodontic tools and appliances, the expander is what we would make for a child needing an fixed ortho or removable appliance (Quad helix,skeleton screw,arch expansion screw ect) and the borden connector sits in the handpeice coupling Nut & Connector (DCI). i was going to do a boring tutorial with me casting up helmet tusks (borden connector) out of chrome showing the process involved but havent had time at work as we have been so busy knocking up false teeth ect. ill look around and phone some dental companies see if i can track some down that the grips run downwards not accross but i would say that they changed it and the ones running down eventually were phased out as the others offered better grip. I'll have a crack at mocking one up with a across grip and turn it into a downgrip and cold cure acrylic it up.

**Art Andrews** · 10-28-2010, 09:01 AM

Wow! I was "meh" right up until this photo! Don't know if that is it or not, but the similarity is striking! Congrats on getting everyone fired up!

Originally Posted by slave1pilot

And look at this one!!!

**Syntax** · 10-28-2010, 09:31 AM

I'm going to agree, I think you are on to something.

It stands to reason that the modern models represented would have morphed from the model of Fetts. Just have to find some old drills now, haha.

**Lucksy31** · 10-28-2010, 09:47 AM

GREAT eye!! But to me, The ends of the "nubs" look rounded on the actual helmet. The actual drill versions look like they are flattened on the ends. Also, the grooves going down the sides ar of the helmet nubs ARE parallel(long ways). Does anyone have a pic of these drills with the grooves running long ways??

**slave1pilot** · 10-28-2010, 07:09 PM

so...
I went through the gallery and grabbed as many pics as i could find of the greeblies
I made a collage

almost all are the ROTJ helmet, but the Bright Red ones are from the PRE-PRO

Do they all say "15"?

**Fett 4 Real** · 10-28-2010, 07:11 PM

no doubt that your right they look like the pic you posted just an older version for sure

**deadland** · 10-28-2010, 07:46 PM

I could not agree more looking at those and what was more than likely available in the 70's I would have to say that you are dead on. Even with the photos that you provided with the current drills some of them are not that far off.

**slave1pilot** · 10-28-2010, 08:05 PM

I also found this drawing of the reamers/files/drills;

Granted, it's just a drawing but it gives me hope about the vertical ribs.

**Fett 4 Real** · 10-28-2010, 08:06 PM

well u gotta figure they have to be ribbed that way to be turned by the drill

**deadland** · 10-28-2010, 08:12 PM

Yeah the drill bits are probably ribbed that way and the files are probably ribbed the other way.

**slave1pilot** · 10-28-2010, 08:15 PM

deadland, I must admit I hadn't thought of that.
My brain is fried from looking at pics of teeny tiny files

**slave1pilot** · 10-28-2010, 08:22 PM

Not just a drawing, it's a real item

**deadland** · 10-28-2010, 08:25 PM

That is money!!! When I am at work tomorrow I will do some heavy searching on this and lead a hand where I can.

**slave1pilot** · 10-28-2010, 08:29 PM

apparently, it's also called a "finger plugger" or "finger spreader"

on a side note, i also believe the real ones are also metal.

BTW- if you do google those terms, make sure your safe search is "ON"
LOL

**deadland** · 10-28-2010, 08:29 PM

A lot of time to you have to think that these are being used by hand so based on the motion how would you want the ribbing to go.

**Evilhemmes** · 10-28-2010, 08:49 PM

most are actually turned by fingers as drills can be excessive and the canal of the tooth is shaped and prepared from smallest file size up to the largest it can take, usually they use fingers as there a better feel for it then to use a drill (other than a gates glidden to remove gutta percha Gates Glidden by SybronEndo or lentulo spiral to work ah26 or rc prep down ) there maybe a chance of perforating the tooth and you can kiss the root canal good bye, most are referred to an endodontist but we still do in the government free health clinic from the premolars to the central incisors.
and yes nate they all look like 15's to me, that to me was the dead giveaway in your first pic post and no 12 post i mentioned the number to check with you all that my eyes were seeing 15 as well.

post 4 of Nates shows the drill type there is a interlocking catchment that engages in the slowspeed drill, some use these but most going the finger method and a root canal can take 3, 1 hour appointments if successful

may have used part of the file to nail/tack/heated pushed through soldered on the other side of silicon? it to the circuit board but not to stick into our mans (Jeremy Bulloch) head as they dont seem to butt up flush with the board (shadow, but could be angle) http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/f23/f...it-board-4206/ kept this way so thay could be tweaked in different directions but without workhardening the metal (file metal) and snapping it off

Nate i reckon you hit a home run here and would bet 100% that this is what they are the 15 is the absolute seller for me! great find

**Lufo1138** · 10-28-2010, 10:38 PM

they also seem to be called dental protapers, multitapers, k files, h files, and rotary files, to add to the search terms.

**stormtrooperguy** · 10-29-2010, 08:59 AM

wow! it's awesome to see things like this get discovered. a year from now, everyone will just take it as a given that they use vintage dental files on the back of the helmets.

**Lufo1138** · 10-29-2010, 11:50 AM

This is a contemporary set called Hedstrom files (H file?), made by J&S Davis Division (a company located just north of London, since 1908)

**slave1pilot** · 10-29-2010, 12:02 PM

Holy guacamole
I searched the hedstrom files, but didn't turn up much

**Mojo-Fett** · 10-29-2010, 12:02 PM

Getting closer Lufo...!
Looks like I'll be down the library for some UK based dental research... lol

**Art Andrews** · 10-29-2010, 12:09 PM

Lufo, that is just awesome! Congrats guys! Nothing like seeing this community come together to make yet another cool Fett discovery!

**TehEl1te** · 10-29-2010, 12:21 PM

You guys amaze me... I love how these boards will go to that level of detail

El1te

**deadland** · 10-29-2010, 01:14 PM

If that does not nail it down i don't know what will great find Lufo I have been looking at these things most of the day and had not seen a pic of the J&S brand.

I would also like to thank this thread for reminding me how much i hate going to the Dentist!!!!

**SaxeCoburg** · 10-29-2010, 02:31 PM

Just the pics alone make my teeth *cringe*.... looks like you guys are on to something though, keep up the great work.

**Fett 4 Real** · 10-29-2010, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Lufo1138

This is a contemporary set called Hedstrom files (H file?), made by J&S Davis Division (a company located just north of London, since 1908)

Even these are better than the NOTHING we have been having....I actually went as far as to take DC15L rifles from my SW figures and cut the ends off and paint them they look almost right that way

**BGHunter** · 10-29-2010, 03:25 PM

What did the M.R lid use or am i imagining that they had them on them/ AS IT TURNS OUT THE m,r DID HAVE THEM IN THE EARLY STAGES BEFORE THEY MASS PRODUCED THEM, as seen in the RPF mr Threed strang that they added them to this lid considering the story of 3d digital scanning and using the pp for it were did they come in to it

**Fett 4 Real** · 10-29-2010, 03:50 PM

The MR helmet is a ESB reproduction not ROTJ it has nothing there only the helmets painted by sandy got those

**KaanE** · 10-29-2010, 03:55 PM

MR lid doesn't have them because the MR lid was a scan of the PP#3 helmet, which doesn't have the little things.Only the helmets painted by Sandy have them, also some jetpacks like the Supertrooper, ESB, and some PrePros (if I'm not wrong also the stunt when filming, hero for publicity, RotJ JP (AoSW) still has the glue where the nub was)

**Rich D.** · 10-29-2010, 08:20 PM

I think you guys are on the right track! Here's a photo from Flickr that shows more of the numbers on top (on a current-style file).

**clonecollector** · 10-30-2010, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by Fett 4 Real

The MR helmet is a ESB reproduction not ROTJ it has nothing there only the helmets painted by sandy got those

I was just going to ask if ESB had these...

With all this preproduction goodness happening it makes me want to switch!

**Fett 4 Real** · 10-30-2010, 07:09 AM

That would be a big switch...

**Pappy** · 10-30-2010, 03:00 PM

The Hedstrom files made by SybronEndo,and its in 21mm

The ones made by J&S Davis was called Micro Mega Headstroem,they are available at 21mm and 25mm

**Devilstar2k2** · 10-30-2010, 11:00 PM

Jeeze... And here I was cutting the tips off of my paintbrushes.

**Pappy** · 10-31-2010, 12:11 AM

well....i planned to plant a lightbulbs for that

i first thought it was lights!

**clonecollector** · 11-01-2010, 04:47 AM

Originally Posted by Fett 4 Real

That would be a big switch...

Oh yea... but just fantasy for now... at least until my clone gets done!

**Evilhemmes** · 11-03-2010, 04:06 AM

looked through some dental catalogues at work till my eyes went crossed looking at files to match here in oz thinking that some more well known dental companies may sell what we are after GUNZ, Henry Shein/Halas,Dentsupply couldnt really find anything as close as what lufo already shared so im my spare time ive tried to use Nate's collage pics as reference to fabricate somthing close heres my pics so far coing to cast them up in a high impact acrylic and also cast them in chrome metal, just for different looks then try and fabricate them out of Ali.

got nothing for reference atm other than the pics and current sizing of files, just trying something lets call them the Nate-nub

anyways will add more pics when i finish, this was all i could do in my 30 min lunchtime today, still got to carve the 15 in the top and finish parallel grips on the other side.

soz pic heavy just for detail, is in wax so looks abit messy atm, slight overbuild for shrinkage allowance and polishing ect.

**Fett 4 Real** · 11-03-2010, 04:23 AM

not to shabby

**Lufo1138** · 11-03-2010, 09:32 PM

Wow. Nice looking work there, Evilhemmes. Replicas may end up being the best way to go with these. Finding the original looks like it is truly going to be a challenge, though I believe Nate has put us all on the right track. I have gone through the A-DEC product catalog from 1982 and come up with nothing. I inquired about a J&S product catalog from the 70's but have received not a peep from them in reply. If anyone in the London area wants to go give them a visit, I am sure they will give you a twisted up look when you tell them you are researching older-style dental files. Or maybe someone over there could just give them a ring?

In the meantime, I hope you keep us updated on these replicas, Evilhemmes.

**BGHunter** · 11-04-2010, 03:33 AM

Nice work there bro they are coming along nicely good for you

**Evilhemmes** · 11-04-2010, 04:23 AM

finished the grips on the opposite side

and added the 15,

used the periscope (binocs) to try and even out the parallel grips make sure they look straight and even, first attempt of the 15 the 5 i felt was too close to the edge on one side and the 1 wasnt right height (maybe i need glasses after all) (not centered) so redid,

looking at it now, still not happy with the second attempt will use scope this time and carve under it and try again, finally happy

from looking in the scope too long

ready for silicon to take moulds, will start churning more out then will cast in chrome to make masters then will see how a high impact acrylic looks painted then will try and get some ali's sorted

every1 needs a good book right? (read ages ago re-reading)

tried to order from them J&S Lufo, still waiting for a reply as well. Found some from Henry shein files they look like Nates pic post 23 but are tapered the same in the middle, got another friend sourceing for us she is a rep for another dental company been in the game 25 years see what she can turn up.

**deadland** · 11-04-2010, 08:31 AM

Great work guys!!!! Can't wait to see how this turns out.

**BGHunter** · 11-05-2010, 04:32 AM

E id be happy with your replca's my self y dont you nok a few out

**Spideyfett** · 11-06-2010, 05:22 PM

Im sure most of you knew, but these can also be found on the Supertrooper, PrePro1, and ESB Gauntlets and Jetpack...

**Fett 4 Real** · 11-06-2010, 05:26 PM

no **** theres a market for these huh

**slave1pilot** · 11-06-2010, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Spideyfett

Im sure most of you knew, but these can also be found on the Supertrooper, PrePro1, and ESB Gauntlets and Jetpack...

oops, totally forgot about those LOL

**Spideyfett** · 11-06-2010, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by slave1pilot

oops, totally forgot about those LOL

I was wondering when you were gonna post that , didn't want to steal your thunder Nate.

**Evilhemmes** · 11-06-2010, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by jinto

E id be happy with your replca's my self y dont you nok a few out

gonna try jinto, just seein what looks best and nice 1 spideyfett

**Lucksy31** · 11-07-2010, 05:01 AM

Originally Posted by Spideyfett

Im sure most of you knew....

Actually, I didn't. VERY COOL.....

**clonecollector** · 11-07-2010, 05:36 AM

I completely didn't make a connection here with the nubs being the same as the ones on the ESB guantlet... and I never noticed the nub on the ESB jetpack! Wow! Thanks Spidey!

Originally Posted by Spideyfett

Im sure most of you knew, but these can also be found on the Supertrooper, PrePro1, and ESB Gauntlets and Jetpack...

**Fett 4 Real** · 11-07-2010, 05:39 AM

So I wonder was the PP1 JP turned into the ESB jetpack? Or is that old news too?

**Mojo-Fett** · 11-07-2010, 07:00 AM

This is what I had after a very short time messing around...
I used things such as the key slots and the chip on the MQ1 calc for scaling, obviously needs more work.

Attachment 48068

**Fett 4 Real** · 11-07-2010, 07:04 AM

exciting things happening all over TDH the GMH now this, Bobbys Jetpack whats next...

**Evilhemmes** · 11-08-2010, 04:14 AM

quick mock up before i cast in chrome (will be able to iron out all the creases when in metal)(he HOPES), and a quick paint job, didnt have much time so coats never dried leaving drag marks ect (this is why i dont paint houses).

undercoat

wrong color red but was all i had, model shop was shut

metallic

tried to make it real dirty (sarlac fett natenub)

**Fett 4 Real** · 11-08-2010, 06:30 AM

Have you tried these in the keyslots to see if theyre even the right size? I mean if they dont fit its a waste of time completely

**webchief** · 11-08-2010, 07:19 AM

Amazing work, guys! Its so great seeing discoveries still taking place here on TDH

**Rich D.** · 11-08-2010, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by Mojo-Fett

This is what I had after a very short time messing around...
I used things such as the key slots and the chip on the MQ1 calc for scaling, obviously needs more work.

Very nice! I thought I saw a second, thinner groove at the bottom, and maybe the top isn't so rounded...? I found a render I did back in '06:

**Mojo-Fett** · 11-08-2010, 08:59 AM

I agree there is a second lip around the base and maybe not as rounded but I only spent about 10mins on it?

Nice render, the top undercut should leave the small part at the top ridge more rounded I think.

**Evilhemmes** · 11-08-2010, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by Fett 4 Real

Have you tried these in the keyslots to see if theyre even the right size? I mean if they dont fit its a waste of time completely

Fett 4 Real good point and shamefully ill admit that all i had to work with was the rubies deluxe and hasbro helmet and i used the WOF templates for the calc and vent/keyslot area. the nate-nub looked against the rubies really big so that was good i thought as a wise man mentioned to me when i was going to purchase his FP premium id be able to pull his helmet over my head with the rubies still on with regard to upscaling the nub. i could really increase the size or decrease if needed and i wouldnt want to embaress myself by putting something out that looked crapola these are only mocks. I have a GMH on order from Chris so im hoping that when that arrives it will give me some scale to be more accurate, and in the meantime was just tomfoolin around as i always have time to waste on boba, and just show as a bit of a tutorial that you guys with a few simple materials could nail this yourselves.

working with dentists i have asked for there guidence on this, ones that were working with these types of files back in the 70-80s and they seem to think that it is close but untill we have the real thing they will never be 100% i guess

**BGHunter** · 11-08-2010, 06:07 PM

Hay Evilhemmes you said that you were going to cast them in metal just curious what kind of metal would you use, And what materilal would you make the cast from? i remember as a kid i used to make lead soldgers on the cook top and poor them in to a mold of a tuff ruber would it be somthing like that

**Evilhemmes** · 11-08-2010, 08:43 PM

Hi Jinto going to use chrome (strong metal) and can trim and shape it with diamond cutting burs, tungsten carbides, and use an Phosphate bonded precision investment material, looks like a chocolate type plaster/stone similar to the stuff you would use to bog up a gypbrock wall, can take a high heats without crumbling, will use an induction casting machine to cast the metal into it. so in some ways similar to your lead rubber method, heatsoaking for the muffle (phosphate investment) about 1050 C and melting temp for metal to liquify 1410 C

will take some photos at a later date of this process

**woodman** · 11-09-2010, 02:32 AM

the kind of setup that spins and slings the metal into the mold right from the crucible? The stone you use will quickly disolve in water after the investment right, are you gonna cast a bunch on a spure or one at a time? I used to work at a jewelry store and at a denture makers lab.

**Evilhemmes** · 11-09-2010, 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by woodman

the kind of setup that spins and slings the metal into the mold right from the crucible? The stone you use will quickly disolve in water after the investment right, are you gonna cast a bunch on a spure or one at a time? I used to work at a jewelry store and at a denture makers lab.

right on there Woodman that was how i used to cast till we got a machine now that does it all for us, so no more winding and ducking for cover (lol) swinging a bucket or having to light oxy acetylene. with chrome the investing material wont dissolve but it easy to break away to get to the cast inside, but we do your above mentioned method when casting with paladium and gold for inlays, bridges, root posts ect
and will cast a bunch on 1 sprue for sure, will try and do my own borden as well out of chrome.

**BGHunter** · 11-09-2010, 03:35 AM

Originally Posted by woodman

the kind of setup that spins and slings the metal into the mold right from the crucible? The stone you use will quickly disolve in water after the investment right, are you gonna cast a bunch on a spure or one at a time? I used to work at a jewelry store and at a denture makers lab.

And there i was thinking i was all tec, talking about pouring lead on a stove top

**Evilhemmes** · 11-09-2010, 03:43 AM

Originally Posted by jinto

And there i was thinking i was all tec, talking about pouring lead on a stove top

(makes mental note never goto Jintos house for spaghetti bolognaise) Cooked in the same pot you made those lead soldiers in LOL

Originally Posted by Mojo-Fett

I agree there is a second lip around the base and there is a slight taper to them as well, maybe not as rounded but I only spent about 10mins on it?

Nice render, the top undercut should leave the small part at the top ridge more rounded I think.

**Spideyfett** · 11-09-2010, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by Rich D.

Very nice! I thought I saw a second, thinner groove at the bottom, and maybe the top isn't so rounded...? I found a render I did back in '06:

Nice Render Rich..

**BGHunter** · 11-09-2010, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by Evilhemmes

(makes mental note never goto Jintos house for spaghetti bolognaise) Cooked in the same pot you made those lead soldiers in LOL

Ha! thats funny

**bobamaker** · 11-14-2010, 11:29 AM

Here's one of the newer "Hedstroem" files temporarily positioned inside the keyslots of one of my helmets. Pretty good for size but looks like it has less knurling down the sides and no number of the top.

DAZ

**slave1pilot** · 11-14-2010, 11:38 AM

Looks very good proportionately DAZ

Is that a J&S Davis File ?

**Lufo1138** · 11-14-2010, 12:28 PM

Hey DAZ, that looks better than I thought it would. It does have the feel of the original, but I agree, it lacks the details of finer grooves, the etched number and the slight roundness of the top.

Unfortunately, J&S Davis got back to me to let me know they have no surviving product catalogs dating to the 70's or 80's. They did give me leads to a couple of their suppliers/manufacturers for the hand files but I have yet to hear anything back.

**Art Andrews** · 11-15-2010, 07:07 AM

Not that I think it matters that much in nailing this piece down, but the grooved shaft may be a separate piece from the domed head with the number imprinted in it. Why? Because on some of the pieces the little etched groove that circles the shaft is at the top of the shaft instead of the bottom as we see it on the back of the helmet. Also, while the nubs on the back of the helmet clearly read "15", not all of the nubs used on the suit do.

Again, not sure how much that helps, but just wanted to throw it out there.

**bobamaker** · 11-15-2010, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by slave1pilot

Looks very good proportionately DAZ

Is that a J&S Davis File ?

Not sure, they are "Micro-Mega, No.15, L21" if that makes any sense. Incidentally, they all have the number "15" printed on the side. This may be relevent to the "15 or 75" printed on the top of the screen used ones.

DAZ

**Jango's kid** · 11-18-2010, 09:56 AM

Thats some pretty dang good research there guys!! Cool!!
D

**Evilhemmes** · 11-19-2010, 04:37 AM

Originally Posted by bobamaker

Not sure, they are "Micro-Mega, No.15, L21" if that makes any sense. Incidentally, they all have the number "15" printed on the side. This may be relevent to the "15 or 75" printed on the top of the screen used ones.

DAZ

no 15 is the file size they range from 08,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55,60,70,80,90,100,1 10 from thinnest to thickest and the L21 is the length of file 21mm they also come in 25mm and 31mm and in oz for some reason 28mm. unsure about 75 as i have never seen one as from 60 they stay in increments of 10, so i believe they would all have to be 15 like nate suggested on the helmet.

**BGHunter** · 12-02-2010, 05:51 AM

I was looking at arts old post (fett history found parts list ) and in the super trooper helmet list it clearly states 2 dental drills im suprised that this part wasnt piced up then

**slave1pilot** · 12-02-2010, 07:08 AM

I just thought those were used for the beacon.
Don't I feel foolish.

**Fett 4 Real** · 12-02-2010, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by jinto

I was looking at arts old post (fett history found parts list ) and in the super trooper helmet list it clearly states 2 dental drills im suprised that this part wasnt piced up then

Well no kidding...never seen that...now if we could get some made or a source

**Evilhemmes** · 12-02-2010, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by jinto

I was looking at arts old post (fett history found parts list ) and in the super trooper helmet list it clearly states 2 dental drills im suprised that this part wasnt piced up then

pretty sure this would stand in for the files for at the time, peeps were unsure as to what to call them until Nate confirmed them, nice one Jinto, have a couple of leads on gaining copies of the real deal, and will post information to judge, will keep you all posted

**BGHunter** · 12-03-2010, 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by slave1pilot

I just thought those were used for the beacon.
Don't I feel foolish.

THAT WASNT A STAB AT YOU MATE WE ALL MISSED IT I PERSONALY THORT IT WAS THE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE BORDEN CONECTOR

**woodman** · 02-25-2011, 01:09 AM

I got my "nubs" from Matthew and I really love them, crowning touch on my ROTJ lid.

**goodus10** · 02-25-2011, 02:31 AM

I recognise these. Very old design for a file handle but I have seen these and used them in the past. Problem is I no longer work at the practice where they used to have the stock. I will trawl through the dental catalogues next week. From the handle you can't tell if they're hedstroem, reamers or K-files etc as this refers to the cross section of the actual file not the shape of the handle. However I did see mainly hedstroem files with this design of handle. this may be down to the fact that hedstroem files don't tend to get used so much as reamers and K-files so probably just had a lot of old stock left over. As for the number, it certainly does look like a 15 and in one case a 75. As Evilhemmes says, you don't get 75 files. I originally thought it may be a scuffed up 25 as the handle on these is always red. However the other does look like a 15 which begs the question, why bother paint a white handled 15 file red when you could just use a 25 file that is already red. As I don't do any root canals anymore I don't really come across hand files now but I may still be able to get hold of some. It certainly seems worth it as they seem to be used elsewhere on the costume too. I've been searching for a Borden connector in practice too but no luck. These are old type connectors and not really used nowadays, certainly not here in the UK anyway. I will keep searching.

**Fett 4 Real** · 02-25-2011, 02:47 AM

Evilhemmes already found the part bud no need to search

**goodus10** · 02-25-2011, 03:16 AM

True, but it gives me something to do at work other than looking at teeth!!!!

**Fett 4 Real** · 02-25-2011, 03:20 AM

lol gotcha...if you want real ones then certainly look for em and have fun it took him a few months

**Evilhemmes** · 02-25-2011, 04:04 AM

Originally Posted by goodus10

True, but it gives me something to do at work other than looking at teeth!!!!

try your dental handpiece repairer. our health and medical physics guys apparently have stash of stuff down in brisbane that im yet to check out too busy to get there, old bordens ect

Originally Posted by woodman

I got my "nubs" from Matthew and I really love them, crowning touch on my ROTJ lid.

cheers woodman

**slave1pilot** · 02-25-2011, 07:03 AM

How's this for irony;
I figure out that the nubs are actually files used for Root Canals.
Yesterday I go to the Dentist to find out I need to get 4 Root Canals done.

Anyone want to guess what my first question will be when I go to my appt. on the 14th?

**BGHunter** · 02-25-2011, 01:08 PM

So do they just get thrown out ,, hymm , mabey i can take them home,, you know just as a momentum , to remind me to clean my teeth more often ,, ?

**Evilhemmes** · 02-25-2011, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by slave1pilot

How's this for irony;
I figure out that the nubs are actually files used for Root Canals.
Yesterday I go to the Dentist to find out I need to get 4 Root Canals done.

Anyone want to guess what my first question will be when I go to my appt. on the 14th?

HOW MUCH? lol

Tell them that you will only have them done with micro-mega, and have they got any old stash in there draws and storeroom, maybe a Glenross or 2

**bojaGun** · 03-24-2011, 10:14 PM

Cool Cool Cool

Even these are better than the Nothing

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