Ammo Belt Tutorial : Ammo Belts V2 (with RafalFett templates)

StrumFett

Active Hunter
Hi,
Last year i started a thread (http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/f20/wip-ammo-pouches-fully-functionnal-44124/) where i tried to make a functional ammo Belt. During the construction, i learned a lot of thing and tips which helped me and with the great help of RafalFett i was able to finish my project.
So i decided to make a tutorial (more clear than a WIP) for an improved version.
This tutorial is also going to speak others versions of the belt. I hope it will be helpfull for others members.
Comments, advices and critics are always welcome because i think that is the only way to progress.

To make the tutorial as clear as possible, i will always put new documents in post #1.

IMPORTANT 05/23/2013 : The templates of the belts use RafalFett Measurements . So it becames a team project between Rafal and me.
Some templates will change to match with new measurements.

Edit 03/08/2014 : Due to limitations, i can't post all the pics on the same post. So i'll post each new documents on a separate post with the number marked on post #1.


This is JPG version (PDF will follow in both A4 and Letter formats when i shall be sure that no correction will be necessary).

Cover.jpg Section 1.jpg
Supertrooper

(final version)
Prepro#1

(final version)

Prepro#2

(on hold)
Prepro#3

(final version)

ESB

(final version)
ROTJ

(final version)
ROTJ SE

(final version)
See post #53
See Post #49See post #62
See post #59 ESB Belt summary.jpg ROTJ belt summary.jpg ROTJ SE Belt summary .jpg
ESB belt description and ref pics.jpg ROTJ belt description and ref pics.jpg ROTJ SE belt description and ref pics.jpg
ESB Belt scaled .jpg ROTJ Belt scaled .jpg ROTJ SE Belt scaled .jpg
ESB Pouch measurements.jpg ROTJ Pouch measurements.jpg ROTJ SE Pouch measurements.jpg
ESB Belt ends.jpg ROTJ Belt ends.jpg ROTJ SE Belt ends.jpg

Sketchup file

Sketchup file





ROTJ SE Belt measurements 3.jpg


























ESB Pouch measurements.jpg
 
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RafalFett

Well-Known Hunter
I think this will be an epic thread and I can't wait to see all the ammo belt and ammo pouch types!

Just to ease your work a bit, the Pre-Pro #3 and ESB ammo belt and ammo pouches looks the same (like most of the soft parts), while the ammo belt (without the ammo pouches) present in the MoM, DaG and SWtE exibits is the reused Supertrooper/Pre-Pro #1 ammo belt put upside down (and not the one from the AoSW/C-IV exibits; that might be one of the early Supertrooper prototype belts):

PP1 ROTJ Ammo Belt 01.jpg PP1 ROTJ Ammo Belt 02.jpg

PP1 ROTJ Ammo Belt 01.jpg


PP1 ROTJ Ammo Belt 02.jpg
 
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StrumFett

Active Hunter
Hi Rafal !
Great infos again ! I think i will need your advices again...

This is a first drawing of the ROTJ belt. Dimensions aren't respected.
ROTJ belt overview.jpg

Do you think i'm right?

I've 2 questions on the belt :
Question ROTJ belt.jpg

I'm working on the pouches to see if the measurements are the same than ESB.

ROTJ belt overview.jpg


Question ROTJ belt.jpg
 
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RafalFett

Well-Known Hunter
Hi Rafal !
Great infos again ! I think i will need your advices again...

This is a first drawing of the ROTJ belt. Dimensions aren't respected.
View attachment 68622

Do you think i'm right?

You must use the Pre-Pro #1 images of the ammo belt to replicate the ROTJ belt:

PP1 Ammo Belt.jpg

But remember that you must use the belt upside down. The 2 parts sewn together in your image is the one that is between the 2nd and the 3rd ammo pouches from the left (but possibly hidden under the 2nd pouch).

I've 2 questions on the belt :
View attachment 68623

I'm working on the pouches to see if the measurements are the same than ESB.

I say that the ammo pouches are the same but were assembled a bit different. The belt's width is around 66mm (the same as the ESB belt) and the length is somewhere in the 1.2m (or 1200mm) value.

PP1 Ammo Belt.jpg
 
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StrumFett

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Thanks Rafal !
This is a modified version of the drawing
ROTJ Belt.jpg

Due to the lenght of the belt i can't draw it completely.

ROTJ Belt.jpg
 
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RafalFett

Well-Known Hunter
Thanks Rafal !
This is a modified version of the drawing
View attachment 68625

Due to the lenght of the belt i can't draw it completely.

That stitch on the right side is actually a double stitch:

ROTJ Belt Double Stitch.jpg

The right side end is wrong because the margins should taper to the inside. Here is a quick drawing of both sides for you:

PP1 ROTJ Ammo Belt Template A4.jpg

Print it with the fit to page option and check if the printed ruler matches your real ruler, then you'll have all the measurements you need. I'm not 100% sure about the inner seam lines around the 8 grommets, but it looks like there is something with that form.

PP1 ROTJ Ammo Belt Template A4.jpg


ROTJ Belt Double Stitch.jpg
 
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StrumFett

Active Hunter
Fantastic RaFal! You're too kind.
I will take the time to make a good job and i'll post finished documents when ready.
 
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StrumFett

Active Hunter
Hi,
I've finished (i hope) ROTJ belt. Some of measurements (like the 2 sewings in the middel of the left side) are difficult to find.
Here's a comparison test and i found the diameter of grommets :
ROTJ belt comparison.jpg
So her's the documents :
ROTJ Belt description.jpg ROTJ Belt measurements.jpg

ROTJ belt comparison.jpg


ROTJ Belt description.jpg


ROTJ Belt measurements.jpg
 
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StrumFett

Active Hunter
Update :
1- Change presentation of the documents :
+ Delete Belt overview and add scale view of the belt (more clear).
+ Add ref pics
+ Add more information

2- On ESB document :
+ sewing on the belt is at 0,3mm from the edge (and not 0,5 mm)
+ Add the 2 ends of the belt scaled 1:1

That's all. If you think that something is missing please feel free to say it.

Now i'm working to do the same in ROTJ belt and starting the Prepro#1's one.
 
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RafalFett

Well-Known Hunter
The ESB ammo belt is reversed; the end with the grommets is on the left and not the right side.

Just a recommendation: you could post the ammo belts and ammo pouches of the different suits vertically and not horizontally, this way the visual view will be more pleasant and well organized.

Keep up the great work!
 
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StrumFett

Active Hunter
Update :
+ repaired error on ESB belt scaled (inversion left/ right side)
+ Changed display of the belts horizontally -> vertically
 
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StrumFett

Active Hunter
Some researches on PP1 belt
It seems that the belt was put in front of behind and 2 differents pouches were used.
Original : You see grommets on the right
PP1 Ammo Belt 2.jpg

Here it seems that they are in front
grommet location.jpg

On the first pics, you can see on the left 2 differents parts assembled to make the belt. The connection is behind on the color pic.
PP1 back.jpg

Also, it seems to have 2 differents pouches. On the right the same than ESB. On the left the pouches seems wider and have less thick. Working to find their measurements .

grommet location.jpg


PP1 Ammo Belt 2.jpg


PP1 back.jpg
 
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StrumFett

Active Hunter
-Correction made on the last image on post above.

-Update post #1 with pouches measurements
+ MK1 identical as ESB pouches
+ MKII for the others
 
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StrumFett

Active Hunter
Update post #1 with PP1 belt scaled
Have to correct an error on ROTJ belt (belt too wide for the scale)
 
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StrumFett

Active Hunter
Correction made for the ROTJ belt
Section 2 : Making the pouches is on the bench :
+ making functionnal (with earth magnet) and non functionnal pouches step by step
+ patterns 1:1 for the leather layer
+ materials, equipment needed, tips...
 
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RafalFett

Well-Known Hunter
Just some corrections:

The ROTJ SE has 14 ammo pouches while the ammo belt has a cream-colored and not black velcro:

ROTJ SE Ammo Pouches.JPG ROTJ SE Cream Colored Velcro.jpg

As with the Pre-Pro #1 ammo pouches, I don't think that there are 2 types, at least not shape wise. Maybe they used material (leather or vinyl) with different thickness (and heavy weathering), this is why some of them look different.

I'm not quite understand this image:

Here it seems that they are in front
View attachment 68857

The left side is correct, I think there are 2 grommets hidden under that end of the ammo belt, but the right image where the arrow points under the belt pouch, there's no grommet there; it's just the end of the belt:

PP1 Ammo Belt Attachment.jpg

Note that I used your images to do the comparison.

You did a great job with your research and I love what you did so far. I know that I said in my Misc Templates and Blueprints thread that I will post my ESB ammo belt and pouch templates, but seeing what you did here, I think it will be better to not compete with your project. PM incoming with my research...

ROTJ SE Ammo Pouches.JPG


ROTJ SE Cream Colored Velcro.jpg


PP1 Ammo Belt Attachment.jpg
 
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