Neo Crusader Helmet Help

Zman12

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So the more I toy with this idea the more I want do a suit of this crazy armor. :facepalm I have decided that I am not going to do any thing on it untill I get a helmet made. So here is where I need some help. Looking at the pictures and reading what little I can find on this armor hasn't answerd my biggest question. I know the front part of the helmet, the part covering the face is hard. I just can't decide what the rest is made of.

Is the thing covering the head armor, or is it some sort of fabric?

I am trying to decide if its more like an imperial royal gard helmet or the front of the Snow trooper helmet.

So any one want to throw in their two cents on this discussion. I would really appreciate it.
 
Just FYI, there was someone's personal take on the KOTOR Mando helmet up on eBay a couple of days ago. If you search you might find it and see how they interpreted the idea.
 
Well I went and found that after reading your post. I must say I think its a bit of a shabby rendition of the helmet. It just looks like they cut a T-visor into a royal guard helmet. In fact thats basicly what he calls it, a KOTOR royal guard helmet.
 
The head and neck appear to be flexible...maybe some spandex would be a good start. It looks like the only hard part on the headgear is the faceplate.
 
I've been doing a research on this subject, and found that in the comic books they appear to be made out of layers - one full head helmet, just the visor area and to the back of the head, then a layer of rubbery substance on top to the neck where it connects to a hard "neck ring" on the bottom. The main person touched one before pulling on his head, and it made the fingers to shrink into it a bit, but then returns to it's original formation. But that would require sculpting experience.
 
So in theory I could make the helmet out of what ever I wanted so long as the visor was right. Then build a stretchy head pice that runs from the top of the helmet down to the neck ring.

I don't think that will be to hard to do...

Now the question is do I use some sort of vynal cloth (spelling?) or do I use some thing like spandax.
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Now to start getting more reference pictures.
 
I know that, I just wanted peoples opinion on what to use. I really don't have an opinion on the subject yet.
 
well it all depends on how much you want it to look like it does in the games fabric and spandex will work but you need to think of a way to keep it stretched at all times
If it was me I would use some 1/4 inch foam rubber that way it keeps its shape the whole time and you don’t have to worry about it pulling down on your head like if it were stretched fabric
 
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everytime i saw the helmets in the game, i imagined them being chainmail..dunno why...they just remind me of the chainmail hoods people wore in the gothic days...i cant imagine any other material being as flexible and supportive at the same time...but i also dont know too many materials

just a quick idea of what i was thinking of...if you could get the metal to the color you wanted...i think it would work out quite well
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painting the metal could work and then wearing a hood under of the same material i think would make it look more solid
 
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I make chain mail, and I must say I really don't think it would be the right material. It sags bad under its own weight. Also most paints don't last long on chain mail because of the nature of all the little moveing parts.

Not to mention you would be screwed if you got hit with a blaster bolt.
 
if only :(

but yeah, i had a friend in highschool who was into making that stuff...what about using a super light material? aluminum or something?
 
Well you could use aluminum, which you can buy already iodized in several colors. Includeing blue. But it will still sag with out something underneath it. You could reduce the sag by using more complex weavs. But the more complex the weav the heavier it gets. I think you would have to at least do a 6 in 1 weave to get a passable level of accurcy. 6 in 1 is not known to be easy to expand out. Which you have to be able to do when you creat a coif (head peice).

The alternitive is to use extreamly small rings, (around 1/8th I.D.) this would be more passable because then there would be an excuse for the game to leave out the texture on something this small. Which it would not have it if the helmet used normal sized rings. The upside to the helmet being made of 1/8 size rings is that you could easily expand it to make a coif. You are just going to need a huge ammount of rings at that size to make something that covers your entire head.
 
The problem with 6 in 1, is that expansion would be difficult.

Because when you expand out starting at the top, you add rings. So when you expand out 4 in 1 it becomes something similar to 5 in 1. So 7 in 1 would be a royal pain. Unless you were to use larger rings (over 3/8 I.D.) which becomes a problem with the solid look even with 6 in 1.

Any way as a side note to this project I plan on getting the materials to start makeing this helmet today or tomorrow. I will keep evey one posted on my progress.
 
A foam-rubber base/shoulder mount with a stretched-spandex outer layer hood, and a PVC/metal faceplate would probably work. If you stretch the spandex out when you apply it to the foam rubber, when you tilt your head it'll just go back to normal instead of bunching up.
 
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