PP2 casting vs MF - You be the judge

Everything is 2nd best short of having the actual screen used helmet - period.

But lets talk about these plugs and such,
who can say what damage and scratches and wonkiness was caused by poor casting or bad handling? Who is to say that these coveted and quickly recasted "official" copies of one of the alledeged line up of Fett helmets was given kid glove care when molded? Perhaps this had a big impact on the overall pulled piece, I don't know....:facepalm

It appears they were quickly molded/recasted because it was a no-no.

I can tell you for a fact, that the Malone helmet was molded off the original on the instructions from GL himself.
 
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I can tell you for a fact, that the Malone helmet was molded off the original on the instructions from GL himself.

I believe this to be true as well. That molding process is also where the famous gouges in the back of the helmet seen on the reference disk came from. To bad they went a different way with the helmets DP made back in the day because that would have been sweet to have such an accurate helmet from the start. :)
 
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These are some great comparison shots Braks. I wasn't aware that RS's plug had been cast, last I remember reading, he said he probably would never cast it. Will it ever be available for purchase? Also where did the name Malone Fett come from? I can't believe how "warped" the brow is around the back! How much of the inperfectons are a result of the casting process and what is actually there in the original pp2? Was the warp that prominent in the pp3 MR scanned which they "fixed" to idealize it?

I really like that concept/term that the MR is the idealized version. Do these photos change anyones ideas as to their ultimate goal of accuracy? Screen accurate or idealized accurate? somewhere in between?

Again, thanks Braks!
 
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I really like that concept/term that the MR is the idealized version. Do these photos change anyones ideas as to their ultimate goal of accuracy? Screen accurate or idealized accurate? somewhere in between?

Again, thanks Braks!

If the Hero ESB AOSW was ever casted/ scanned or whatever (yeah right:p), I would be taking a second mortage out for that one...:lol:....one can dream.
IMO though I think the only "screen accurate" fett helmet we all know is the ESB hero, and the ROTJ hero, the ones with the most screen time......which both are still on tour, and from my understanding that was NOT the one MR used to scan....right?? (please correct me if I'm wrong)
 
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If the Hero ESB AOSW was ever casted/ scanned or whatever (yeah right:p), I would be taking a second mortage out for that one...:lol:....one can dream.
IMO though I think the only "screen accurate" fett helmet we all know is the ESB hero, and the ROTJ hero, the ones with the most screen time......which both are still on tour, and from my understanding that was NOT the one MR used to scan....right?? (please correct me if I'm wrong)

man, alot happened from the time I started typing my last post till when I actually hit submit. I think the last post was the one just after the infamous scratchbuild picture...anyways...

I agree with you spidey on the "screen accurate" ones being the ESB and ROTJ heroes, however if the pp2 and pp3 being copied as the MF and MR all came from the supertrooper mold wouldn't that make them the nearest we have to "screen accurate" with there only being some differences in shape and location of the dent along with some other minor things?
 
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If the Hero ESB AOSW was ever casted/ scanned or whatever (yeah right:p), I would be taking a second mortage out for that one...:lol:....one can dream.

You an me both man! :lol: :cheers

On a side note

I still believe (with little but clues and hunches) that the ESB Hero was scanned to be used as the bases for the Jango helmet in Episode 2. If this is true then a file exists out there somewhere. But there is no proof in that pudding. :facepalm Just my own speculation.

I think for each of us screen accurate has a different meaning. To me I have to category's of Helmet I either seek or have currently... idealized, like my FPH, I feel is the best "Idealized" version of the current ESB Hero helmet that is on tour. I think the MR falls in to a similar category as the MF helmet for the "accurate" label on the fact that it has proven lineage to a real helmet and correct scale and dimension to a degree. But it is still in essence an "Idealized" helmet.

Here are a few non fett examples. The Gino Stormtrooper Stun helmet... in my opinion that falls into the "accurate" pile... though the Gino Stun smooth.... "idealized" as it has been altered from the state of the original castings. The TM Vader helmets that folks have gone ga ga over lately... "accurate", the castings that will be made available of them eventually... "Idealized" due to "tells" being added so the original is kept to a select few.

I think the MR will be the tip of the sword for Idealized but untitll one of the stunts or prepros in the archive are sold off or stolen and casted it will be the best out there short of the efforts of artitst on this site.
 
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These are some great comparison shots Braks. I wasn't aware that RS's plug had been cast, last I remember reading, he said he probably would never cast it. Will it ever be available for purchase? Also where did the name Malone Fett come from? I can't believe how "warped" the brow is around the back! How much of the inperfectons are a result of the casting process and what is actually there in the original pp2? Was the warp that prominent in the pp3 MR scanned which they "fixed" to idealize it?

In my opinion, the warp in the back of the PP2 is there although it is difficult to say if it is as prominent as it appears on the MF. Malone is Rogue Studios last name. MR did "correct" the brow in the back of the helmet as well as the keyslot area. If you look at the keyslot area on the MR, it no longer matches the screen used item.
 
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You know - Jason had the right idea and I shame myself for not following his lead earlier - good by all......

I prefer to leave here with my dignity not having to begg someone for something...


You are leaving "with your dignity" for... what is this... the THIRD time? Either stay and stop being a baby or go... It is really easy to do, but by popping in just to make inflammatory statements and then pretending to run away so you don't have to deal with the aftermath shows how little you stand behind the things you say.
 
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evan, I think you have a lot of good points and I think that "screen accurate" can be likened to "perfection"; it is something we strive for be can never achieve. The ONLY way to ever be 100% screen accurate is to buy a SCREEN USED item... which is why I am moving more and more into the SU world and more and more away from replicas.
 
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Wow, the MR helmet really looks great! They really did not modify it as much as I thought they might have. I like the idealized look too.
 
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From my understanding of how they made it, they didn't purposefully "idealize" anything. There were several issues with the original scan that caused MR to have to go back to LFL and take more pics of certain details, like the dent, the forehead triangles and the whole keyslot area. I don't know if they then made corrections to the 3D model or had already made a bust and made their corrections to that. That is about it. Of course there will be some changes made for ease of mass production but l was very impressed that they didn't decide to go back and make everything perfectly symetrical and clean. While the MR helmet isn't exact, it still has PLENTY of the original helmet in it, moreso in my opinion than previous publicly available helmets.
 
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In my opinion, the warp in the back of the PP2 is there although it is difficult to say if it is as prominent as it appears on the MF. Malone is Rogue Studios last name. MR did "correct" the brow in the back of the helmet as well as the keyslot area. If you look at the keyslot area on the MR, it no longer matches the screen used item.


Thanks for clearing that up. I'm sure I would have noticed the keyslots being different eventually but I'm at work and not able to "study" the shots just get a good once over, and maybe a twice over on a couple of things ;)

that being the case when you say "the keyslot area on the MR no longer matches the screen used item" it doesn't match the ESB/ROTJ helmets or doesn't match the MF or the pp3?

It's amazing how much more detail of the shape you can see without paint. The paint kinda tricks the eye when looking at the shape.

Sharing this kind of info, to me is what TDH is all about. The more info gets shared, the closer we can all come to a accurate, idealized, or mix of the two version of the costume. Thanks again.(y)
 
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You are leaving "with your dignity" for... what is this... the THIRD time? Either stay and stop being a baby or go... It is really easy to do, but by popping in just to make inflammatory statements and then pretending to run away so you don't have to deal with the aftermath shows how little you stand behind the things you say.

Not to get nasty, but dude, your signature says "walk humbly". Cut these guys some slack. Everyone has their own opinion on what "the best" helmet is.

Not everyone can afford to drop $300, $400 and up on just a HELMET. Not to mention the other parts of the costume. I'm glad you can afford to buy the holy grail screen used props. More power to ya, but don't slam somebody who can't or won't spend that kind of dough on painted fiberglass or resin.

His post is not the first one about elitist attitudes and arrogance around here. Personally, I wonder why the word "elite" is used on the forum's homepage.
 
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:lol: Darn it! I knew that sig was going to get me in trouble!

Seriously, I am no better than these guys or anyone else here at the board or any board, but I get pretty tired of the melodrama, especially when it is repeated. These big emotional gushes and childish behavior by grown men is ridiculous. I mean... lets just cut the games here and get to it. These two guys are mad because FP won't share his helmet with them. I can guarantee you this... I wouldn't get one either... but you don't' see me going out and vomiting my person issues all over everyone, making blanket accusations against virtually an entire board and storming off like spoiled brats.

Not everyone can afford to drop $300, $400 and up on just a HELMET. Not to mention the other parts of the costume. I'm glad you can afford to buy the holy grail screen used props. More power to ya, but don't slam somebody who can't or won't spend that kind of dough on painted fiberglass or resin.

I am not sure where you are coming from with this. I have never slammed anyone for their choice of helmet. Now, I will argue, if you try to tell me that helmet X is more screen accurate than helmet y, but if you like helmet x, good for you! Buy it! Wear it! Enjoy it! You won't hear a thing from me. Please don't turn this into a issue about money when it isn't.
 
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If I'm not mistaken the MR is based on the prepro2!?
Braks is this accuarate? or am I repeating something some already mentioned?LOL:)

jon
 
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One characteristic that I noticed on the MR is that the cheek corners appear more rounded, like the Mystery helmet and unlike the MF and the screen used helmets. Still, it slloks great, thanks for the comparison pics Braks.
 
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It is generally considered that the PP3 (the one MR scanned) is fairly close to the ESB. But that is based on the placement of the dent, and the paintjob mainly. Shapewise its just another Boba Fett helmet folks. They all came from the same mold. Any differences in shape or details and even paint come down to; how thick the fiberglass is, who may have sanded something or added dremel damage, how it came out of the mold, who it was painted by, and repairs.
The way the visor was installed caused the warps we see on the mandibles. All the helmets are warped differently in this area.

The ESB for example, Spidey you and I know it will never be cast (we're still foolishly hopeful though!). It suffers from many cracks in the fiberglass, the notorious crack repair, and LFL would never need to cast it.
 
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:lol: Darn it! I knew that sig was going to get me in trouble!

Seriously, I am no better than these guys or anyone else here at the board or any board, but I get pretty tired of the melodrama, especially when it is repeated. These big emotional gushes and childish behavior by grown men is ridiculous. I mean... lets just cut the games here and get to it. These two guys are mad because FP won't share his helmet with them. I can guarantee you this... I wouldn't get one either... but you don't' see me going out and vomiting my person issues all over everyone, making blanket accusations against virtually an entire board and storming off like spoiled brats.



I am not sure where you are coming from with this. I have never slammed anyone for their choice of helmet. Now, I will argue, if you try to tell me that helmet X is more screen accurate than helmet y, but if you like helmet x, good for you! Buy it! Wear it! Enjoy it! You won't hear a thing from me. Please don't turn this into a issue about money when it isn't.


Sorry, dude, my bad. :facepalm
 
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