never ending fett
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Great comparison shot there, the killstripes especially. Thanks for sharing!
Fett from 1986
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obi sean kenobi
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Amazing overlay. Very cool!!
never ending fett
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not to get too far off topic here, but what's the story on the screen cast jango's? I've heard there are some out there. Where'd they come from? Were there as many versions of Jango as there are of Boba?
Rich D
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That is a good discussion for a different thread. Let's keep this one on topic. Check out some earlier threads:
http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/showthread.php?t=12912
http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/showthread.php?t=9537
Tyler Durden
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Also just to clarify, I assume FoxBat's Jango helmet is from FP's run. It should be noted, and in FP's own words:
It is still an ILM/Fox helmet, and "the same shape and size as the “Screen” helmet." I'm just trying to keep our helmet "labels" consistent with their history to avoid confusion.
It is still an ILM/Fox helmet, and "the same shape and size as the “Screen” helmet." I'm just trying to keep our helmet "labels" consistent with their history to avoid confusion.
Tyler Durden
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Thanks for the comp, DigiFett!
At a cursory glance, I don't see the stripes matching up that well with the ESB stripes.
Given the that helmet has ILM helmet lineage and that the stripes were painted in same general area and style, there should be some similarities, but I don't see anything that persuasive in that comp.
Better photos of the stripes would definitely help us know for sure... nudge nudge...
At a cursory glance, I don't see the stripes matching up that well with the ESB stripes.
Given the that helmet has ILM helmet lineage and that the stripes were painted in same general area and style, there should be some similarities, but I don't see anything that persuasive in that comp.
Better photos of the stripes would definitely help us know for sure... nudge nudge...
never ending fett
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that's what I was looking for!
perfect Dookie! Great way to throw the info out there without getting off topic. I'll read through those when I get the time!
Banzai88
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This 1000x750 hi res version of image 4 should help. The kill stripes are clearly visible.
Download here:
kill stripes hi res
TD: What do you think?
Download here:
TD: What do you think?
terminal fettler
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Just something i noticed Banzai, looking at the shot inside the helmet, but would you say the dent is part of the cast or added afterwards using Bondo/filler?
Banzai88
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After looking at the higher res image along side the ESB hero, I believe this helmet was cast from another stunt we haven't seen. I certainly can't say that definitively but to me, the stripes do't match the ESB hero but we are pretty confident this helmet does have lineage back to the ESB hero which would require there to be another helmet between them that had the stripes we are seeing on Banzai's helmet. Again, certainly not fact, but my guess is:
ESB Hero (post filming of ESB) - Stunt Helmet #3 (unseen by us) - Banzai's helmet.
I am certainly open for other ideas on this as my assessment isn't conclusive.
ESB Hero (post filming of ESB) - Stunt Helmet #3 (unseen by us) - Banzai's helmet.
I am certainly open for other ideas on this as my assessment isn't conclusive.
Banzai88
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I see. What exactly do you mean when you say the stripes don't match? Is it because you can't make out their weathering? You can't tell the size from the image. I did post their size earlier. So just wondering how the don't match.
After all your research, is it more likely that it is cast from one you know to exist or one you have not seen yet? I doubt one could have slipped by you.
After all your research, is it more likely that it is cast from one you know to exist or one you have not seen yet? I doubt one could have slipped by you.
I see. What exactly do you mean when you say the stripes don't match? Is it because you can't make out their weathering? You can't tell the size from the image. I did post their size earlier. So just wondering how the don't match.
After all your research, is it more likely that it is cast from one you know to exist or one you have not seen yet? I doubt one could have slipped by you.
It is entirely possible that it was cast from one fo the two stunts we do know about but my assumption is that they never left LFL while a third might have slipped out the back door. Again, just an assumption.
And while it is DEFINITELY not definitive (haha... how about that!), yes, it is the weathering or the lack thereof that makes me believe it isn't the ESB hero kill stripes... but again, I could be completely wrong. Just my thoughts.
In regard to the size, we don't know the actaul size of the kill stripes on the ESB Hero so unfortunately we have nothing to compare to your stripes in terms of size.
I do agree that it seems that all (2) stunt helmets have been accounted for but perhaps yours comes from one that was never used... So hard to know for sure. The important thing is that no matter what, yours does have lineage back to an original, and even more importantly it appears to have lineage back to one that no other helmet in private hands has as all the others spawn from the PP2. You certainly have an awesome and unique piece!
Tyler Durden
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Thanks for the pic, Bonzai!
I agree. Those stripes do not match the weathering of the ESB helmet. The positioning and a few other stripe characteristics also don't seem to match the ESB, but I am not factoring that into my conclusion (sticking to the weathering) because we don't have a good 1:1 comp for those features.
You know, Art, it is possible that the helmet is was cast from was "trashed," discarded, whatever before the archive pictures started to trickle out—the mid to late 90's—as disturbing as that might be.
I thought we had this figured out; I'm not ready to deal with a mysterious 3rd stunt.
OK... I am recanting my earlier assessment (this is where it makes me very glad that I don't make definitive statements..). The stripes ARE ESB Hero stripes. See comparison below. The question remains where this helmet came from, but this detail now makes me lean toward the POSSIBILITY that this helmet may have come from the mold that the other two stunts came from instead of a recasting of one of the stunts. It is comparisons like this that make me amazed at just how much detail can be picked up in a casting.
Foxbatkllr
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It is definitely part of the cast.
terminal fettler
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Now that is an interesting comparison!
Tyler Durden
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I was evaluating the stripes on the larger weathering details (like the larger missing chunks), which I guess, just did not translate that well in the photo or casting, but I can't argue with marks you pointed out.
Actually, I am stupid. Some of those marks would carry over in casting, but the stunts wouldn't have the same exact weathering pattern as the ESB.
Actually, I am stupid. Some of those marks would carry over in casting, but the stunts wouldn't have the same exact weathering pattern as the ESB.
Banzai88
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Art: That's an interesting comparison; great you had an image of the same angle. Agreed--the detail that can be replicated is amazing...Hope you can discover more telling details.
Totally agree. The putty marks where it was originally put into the ESB helmet matches what is seen on Banzai's helmet. At this point I am 100% convinced we have the first helmet in private hands that has ever been seen that is not from the PP2 line and that Banzai's helmet, without question, was derived from the post filiming ESB hero, like the 2 stunts in the archives. The question now is if whetehr his helmet came from a stunt or from the original stunt mold.
