Karen Traviss quits Star Wars

Hmmm... this thread has certainly taken a strange turn.

I only met Karen once for all of 30 seconds at C4 for her to sign a book. I have read all her SW books, but none of her others. I like the way she writes, and how she made the clones into real people in the SW Universe, questioning the whole Jedi perspective. She throws a lot of ethical questions out there in her books.

Like others, I'm just sick and tired of the Luke/Mara and Leia/Han and their kids saving the galaxy time after time after time... ugh... Honestly, I wished they'd killed off Luke instead of Mara... she was the least annoying of the bunch. ;)
 
Loved her books, but thought her 3 million clones idea was a total wank.

I'll miss her characters a great deal unless they are picked up by someone who really understands them.
 
Loved her books, but thought her 3 million clones idea was a total wank.

I'll miss her characters a great deal unless they are picked up by someone who really understands them.


Uhhh....That was Lucas that said 3 million clones, not her. It was in the Star Wars insider guide to the Grand army of the republic. All KT did was go along with it.

& if you read order 66 then you would know that she talked about ALOT more clones that were made and kept in secret by Palpatine. 10's of millions of more clones.
 
Like others, I'm just sick and tired of the Luke/Mara and Leia/Han and their kids saving the galaxy time after time after time... ugh... Honestly, I wished they'd killed off Luke instead of Mara... she was the least annoying of the bunch. ;)

I hate pretty much everything post-ROTJ. I think it's all just a nightmare Luke had after partying too hard with the Ewoks.
 
What was wank-y about three million clones fighting a war on a galactic scale?

--Jonah

It seems ridiculously small for what Lucas describes as "a war that would spread like fire across the galaxy and engulf thousands of star systems." More people fought in the American Civil War. More than twice as many people live in New York City today. There were nearly 3 million casualties in the Battle of Stalingrad alone. In World War II the military dead numbered over 24 million. That's military dead, not the total number of combatants. And that's fighting over one planet, not a galaxy with hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of populated planets. *shrug*

If you reduce "thousands of systems" to a mere two thousand, you're looking at a paltry 1500 troops per system regardless of the number of fronts in each system and nevermind the massive casualties described in numerous major battles. More than ten times that number fought at Gettysburg. & thus, I describe a galactic army of 3 million as a wank.

Uhhh....That was Lucas that said 3 million clones, not her. It was in the Star Wars insider guide to the Grand army of the republic. All KT did was go along with it.

& if you read order 66 then you would know that she talked about ALOT more clones that were made and kept in secret by Palpatine. 10's of millions of more clones.

"Uhhh..." She co-wrote the article "The Guide to the Grand Army of the Republic" in Star Wars Insider 84 with Ryan Kaufman. That was Ms. Traviss. NOT George Lucas. Fact check, my friend.

Also, I've read Order 66, along with every other SW novel currently in print. I know all about the Spaarti clones unleashed at the end. I'm specifically referring to the Kaminoan clones that fought out the Clone Wars, not the Spaarti clones with which Palpatine established the Empire.

This has all been fought over and debated for nearly 4 years, and I have no desire to rejoin the fray. So, that's all I'm saying on the matter in a public forum. If anyone really wishes to establish a intelligent dialogue, PM me.






Regardless of any of the above, I will continue to lament Ms. Traviss' departure from the SW scene, and I will continue to eagerly await the last two Commando novels.
 
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bwha ha ha ha!! the "klingon people" :p

never read any Karen Travis novels, don't know nothing of Mandalorians or anything.

I enjoyed most games of the Star Wars franchise. Except I never figured why in KOTOR the galaxy is about as far in terms of industrialisation as the galaxy is in the movies. KOTOR's gameplay rocked, it's setting was rather lame IMO.

That goes for most EU I guess... cloning the Emperor? what is this, Dragonball Z?

So what's the cartoon gonna bring us? Though I only saw the movie...

So... in terms of this thread, responding on Karen's leave... well... I don' t know what I' ll miss. I liked the clone squad in Republic Commando, I believe that too was her work?
 
I agree with RBF, even on the reading every book in print part. :p

It makes no sense, unless all of the clones had their own personal SSD's that they could even hold their own against the Seppies.

In all of the clone wars episodes, and even AOTC, we have seen A LOT of clones die, if that rate of casualties continued, they would all have been iced by day 3 of the "war"

Anyway, just my .02 :)
 
Ah, I see, Kerys. You meant wank-y small, not wank-y large. Remember, Karen was seriously conflating the numbers given in AOTC. In the end, it comes back to movie dialogue giving us an initial army of a bit over a million, with no provision for more at the time, and the time needed to grow and train more would exceed the duration of the wars, so... *shrug*

--Jonah
 
Karen took a small idea and a few bit players & gave us a nice area of the Star Wars Universe to visit. I will miss her great story telling & her ability to make us smile, frown, laugh & cry.

Thank you Kar'buir. You will be missed.
 
I don't speak Mandalorian, and I've never read a Karen Traviss book. I don't know that I've really missed out on anything. I do agree that her books and "teachings" were turning Mandalorian fans into the Star Wars version of Klingons; I for one would be glad to see that fake toy language go away all, together.
 
I don't speak Mandalorian, and I've never read a Karen Traviss book. I don't know that I've really missed out on anything. I do agree that her books and "teachings" were turning Mandalorian fans into the Star Wars version of Klingons; I for one would be glad to see that fake toy language go away all, together.

I think you need to read her books...
 
Well, this is sad news... I have very much enjoyed her SW novels... more than any other SW novel author so far... and she will probably remain at the top of the SW authors for me since I am moving away from reading this genre for a bit... I am kind of Star-Warsed out right now as far as novels go.
 
I think you need to read her books...

I read her books when she was writing for Legacy of the Force. She WAS turning them into klingons. Some people can costume and still be functioning individuals, but some people get way too obsessed and start to think that they live a fictional lifestyle, speaking a fictional language. If you want to learn another language by Rosetta stone.
 
but some people get way too obsessed and start to think that they live a fictional lifestyle, speaking a fictional language.

That happens with just about every sci-fi genre though, it's nothing new nor is it anything Karen started. The language was a nice way to dive deeper into the SWU, not just with Mandos but in general. Some people have different levels of fandom, there are MANY people that think we are all immature kids for dressing up it costumes.

Everyone's interpretation of what we do or what someoene else does depends completely on point of view, and Karen wrote about that by putting something as large as the Clone Wars into the eyes of a small group of people.
 
Not trying to pick a fight here, but...

If a language originated in fiction, does that mean it is strictly a fictional language? If it's a functional language, does it really matter? After all, fictional doesn't mean fake. It just means created.

All languages are created, whether they're written up by an author such as Karen Traviss or JRR Tolkien, or they evolve through a more evolutionary means.

After all, a language is just a system for encoding and decoding information. If it works, then it's a functional language, just like English, German, French, Spanish, and Japanese, no?

And everyone's lifestyle is fictional (i.e. created). You choose how you live your life every single day. Everything in the world around you influences the way you live from day to day. Just because someone finds a specific code or set of morals/rules to live by, does that make them wrong?

If I live my life according to the 7 core US Army Values, and I do, does that make me more "normal" or better than someone who lives their life according to the Resol'nare? I didn't write the Army Values. Does that mean I'm living a fictional lifestyle?
 
Being a life-long RPer, I love the more emmersive elements like a more fully realized culture & language. Do I want to be a bounty hunter? Not hardly. Do I think I'm a Mandalorian? No. Do I speak Mando'a at work? No. Do I occasionally throw a phrase around here or there with my friends? Hell yeah. It's a way to share something we love. Do I use it extensively in RPGs? Yep. Does any of that make me more of a geek than you? I dunno, and I don't care.
 
Big difference between inside joke between friends or using it in a RPG compared to to living that lifestyle/using the language as regular conversation.
 
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