Shin Tools ESB vs ROTJ/SE
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Mullreel
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Someone can correct me if I am wrong but I don't think you can ever actually see the tools in ROTJ or SE on screen. They are present in the promo pics but on the screen captures you never see the tools present.
So you only have promo and what is assumed about ROTJ and SE.
Like I said some one can correct me if there is actual screen pics......
So you only have promo and what is assumed about ROTJ and SE.
Like I said some one can correct me if there is actual screen pics......
crumdum
Active Hunter
Yes, parts are used for other shin tools.
Fett 4 Real
Sr Hunter
Theyre in some of the promo pics....there was actually TWO Promo shoots. If you look at the background it changes as does a few things like the tools
RafalFett
Well-Known Hunter
The tools are not the same, because the ROTJ/SE had the Supertrooper/early Pre-Pro #1 Anti-Security Blade (a longer version), while the ESB had a shorter version of the same tool. Some info here ==> All Boba Fett Shin Tools Stencils and more here ==> RafalFett's Misc Templates and Blueprints. The Sonic Beam Weapon looks the same, but as others noted, the ROTJ had only 2 tools:
The ROTJ SE is a difficult one, because there are at least 3 sets of promo shoots: the 1st set doesn't have any shin tools, the 2nd has 2 Anty-Security Blades (1 ROTJ Hero and 1 Pre-Pro #2) while the 3rd set has all the tools, but not all of them original tools.
The Jetpack Adjustment Tool and the Sonic Beam Weapon looks like they took them from the Star Wars Visual Dictionary:
The ROTJ SE is a difficult one, because there are at least 3 sets of promo shoots: the 1st set doesn't have any shin tools, the 2nd has 2 Anty-Security Blades (1 ROTJ Hero and 1 Pre-Pro #2) while the 3rd set has all the tools, but not all of them original tools.
The Jetpack Adjustment Tool and the Sonic Beam Weapon looks like they took them from the Star Wars Visual Dictionary:
dv8r
Hunter
You are the best, mate! I can't thank you enough for the huge effort you have put into uncovering and posting all the details -- I know my costume efforts wouldn't even come close without them.
Jaycepticon
Active Hunter
I actually have a full ROTJ suit minus shin tools, would I be 501st approved then?lol
crumdum
Active Hunter
Nope must have the 2 tools.
jbdubz
Active Hunter
Actually that is incorrect, the ROTJ anti-security blade is not the same as the one use in ESB. There are noticeable differences that could potentially jeopardize 501st approval, primarily the visible red stripe that is visible in ROTJ hero screen caps. The black "vibro-plate" is also skinnier and longer than that used in ESB.
JedIinTraining
Hunter
Check this out...yes you need to cut
http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/f20/shin-tools-build-using-paterson-original-found-parts-52156/
Sent from a galaxy far far away
crumdum
Active Hunter
Your statement is incorrect. The referenced images used for the ESB and ROTJ shin tools both reference the same image in both the "final" ESB costume that Darth Voorhees wore and the unfinished ROTJ version CRLs. Darth, being the purest he is, chose to have his suit mirror what was shown in the movie picture whereas in ROTJ no shin tools were actually worn as Rafal mentioned above. Specifically, both CRLS specify to make it per the Star Wars dictionary reference, most of which was made up (as Rafal also pointed out). Per 501st specs for ROTJ you only need the Sonic Beam Weapon and Anti-Security blade. The other two parts (Survival Knife and Jetpack adjustment tool) are completely optional for ROTJ.
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toolguy301
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Well here is some specific info pertaining to the shin tools that Rafal has come up with in his research.
http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/f20/rafalfetts-misc-templates-blueprints-47395-post601745/#post601745
You are incorrect in this statement cause the Anti-Security blade shown in the CRL's for both ESB & ROTJ Boba Fett are in fact the ROTJ version based on Rafal's research. And in looking closely at Lou's Anti-Security blade that he has in his pocket it doesn't have the red stripe. So the reference photos for the Anti-Security Blade on the CRL isn't Lou's.
http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/f20/rafalfetts-misc-templates-blueprints-47395-post601745/#post601745
You are incorrect in this statement cause the Anti-Security blade shown in the CRL's for both ESB & ROTJ Boba Fett are in fact the ROTJ version based on Rafal's research. And in looking closely at Lou's Anti-Security blade that he has in his pocket it doesn't have the red stripe. So the reference photos for the Anti-Security Blade on the CRL isn't Lou's.
jbdubz
Active Hunter
crumdum, i'm not sure what is incorrect about visible fact. your statement that the tools are the same from ESB to ROTJ is false. the anti security blade used in ESB is not the same anti security blade used in the ROTJ hero suit.
you must have missed it, but Raf is specifically referencing ROTJ SE when speaking about the absence of shin tools. and if you looked at the post directly above the SE pics, you'll see that Raf clearly indicates the differences and even provides links to his very useful shin tool blueprint threads further outlining the different AS blades. in no way was i referencing SE otherwise i would have said ROTJ SE in my original post. i did not say it 'would jeopardize' approval, i said it 'could potentially jeopardize' approval. I'm sure Lou, in all his purity, would agree that screen accuracy is the easiest and most secure route towards any approval. my goal is merely to steer those interested in accuracy down the right path and since this thread is asking about specific differences it was assumed that accuracy was the goal of the OP.
Sent from my R2 unit
crumdum
Active Hunter
There must be some miscommunication here. I specifically stated that for approval the CRLs state specifically (and I will highlight) for both ESB and ROTJ
For Sonic weapon...
Shin Tool: Sonic Beam Weapon
For 501st approval:
- May be made as shown in the Star Wars Visual Dictionary or from original found part.
- The Sonic Beam Weapon is a Patterson Squeegee, still available from photography supply companies (or a cast replica).
This is stated very clearly in the CRLs for BOTH ESB and ROTJ. So if you get the version shown in the Star Wars Visual Dictionary for both versions...for CRL purposes you are fine. This is also true for the anti-security blade.
@Jbdubsz I looked through every single screen capture of ROTJ including ROTJ SE shots and failed to find a single movie image screen capture that showed Boba Fett wearing any shin tools. Let me know if you find any images where he is actually wearing them.
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cbrant
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crumdum
Active Hunter
Yep cause those are not screen shots from the movie
