my kashyyyk trooper build......progress

i have started to work on the kashyyyk trooper, yeah the camo one....here is the basic helmet sculpt and arm armor.....

Smashing job bud! You are wuite the all around artist!


G-Fett

Nice work Tom. Cocoa approves too I think !?

Looking good. I think this costume is awesome! Look forward to seeing your progress on it. I need to start teaching myself how to sculpt things. haha.

What did the sculpt start from before adding the clay?... And cool dog!

LOL, the eyes of the dog is like: what the hell is my master doing!! lol

good progress btw ^_^

Those look more like 'I'm going to chew on that when you're not watching me!' eyes! LOL.

Originally Posted by Lath Toth

What did the sculpt start from before adding the clay?... And cool dog!

i used an old hard hat i trimmed , some sign material and a old paintball mask. all hot glued together. then i started adding clay.

Very creative! Never would have guessed that's what's under there.

That's starting to look really good!

Very nice work , the dimensions are looking fine

update: basic armor for the arm and knees. the armor keep trying to slide down my arm.

Looks awesome

looking very nice

nice work ,
keep the pictures coming

Great work going on here! I love this armor and can't wait to see how this turns out.

here is the knee straps. the rubber i used is way to soft for this type of use so i have to buy a harder urathane rubber. no big deal.

hey man - nice progress btw :P

I assume u had a look at pghfett's FG armour thread in the kashyyyk trooper armour section of BSN mate - in fact just saw u browsing the exact same thread over on BSN matey

my comments are spawned from the feedback from that armour compared to ref piccies mostly.

bells - looks good; looks like u captured the nice complex curves

bicep - outer surface has a detailing that includes 2 rectangular blocks. also, it may be the piccies not catching it right; but the back part appears a litle off - compare to these WIPs http://forum.bikerscout.net/index.ph...pic=307&st=100

knees - look good.

soz abt crits Tom; but I got me a personal vested interest in how this armour turns out

good luck!

your right i have been studying pghfett's build like the bible because of lack of reference photos.
on the bicep piece ,i molded a blank one for the 2 boxes and band. an so when i made the mold for it ,i would have a exact sized copy to sculpt the one with the rectangles with the bottom and top curved shape.

thanks for the reply. any critique to get this armor as accurate as possble is what i need.

Nice dog!

lol. this looks like you can pull it off.

Good work man!!!!!!!!!

i'm a big fan of that style helmet. i can't wait to see it all finished up!

dunno about you, but i find that revising a resin copy is a LOT easier.

for my aotc clone helmet, i started with my original hasbro mod, made a cast, then worked on that. the resin is WAY easier to sand/shape than the hdpe/bondo/expoxy monstrosity that is the original.

well the first sculpt was bad out of wack. symmetry was none exsistant. so the redo. i find clay to be the easiest to work with before resin and bondo.

I'm thinking about going for a Kashyyyk Scout aswell, 2 years ago i was planning to buy a kit from pghfett on the bikercout.net board but as he stopped making the kits, there wasn't much to go for, so I decided to go for a normal clone after that and came out with Commander Bly, as a very dear friend of mine was doing Commander Gree (wich I liked very much aswell).

Still thinking about going either for the Clone Wars recon scout or the Kashyyyk Scout.

Nonetheless I hope it's going to work out for you.

reworked the helmet sculpt , still some symmetry issues..... i am not a computer LOL. the viser will be replaced. it does not have the correct shape.

Looking good!!!!

worked out some of the symmetry issuses. started new viser. that thing is giving me fits trying to get the correct shape of the viser. ARRGGGHHH!!

symmetry looking good there mate
been tryin to find more screen caps/piccies - man its tough.
but snout looks like it can be a little narrower

of course - u realise the angulated bit at the chin area is made up of 3 traingles?

hard to spot on the straight on view, but on the top down view - u seem to have captured the nice flair at the botton of the lid lip

never paid attention to visor before, but creen caps seem to match ur second go with it tapering inwards rather than being straight out from the lid.

btw - I think u bicep pieces look nice and accurate to the few piccies that I've seen.

continue to good work man!

Nate

as always spot on observations. i narrowed the snout from 1 3/4" to 1 1/2". i think it looks better. i added a more pronounced checks than pghfetts helmet becuase of the stripes under the eye. and also the band that goes around the eye hole.

Originally Posted by mrbungle

i used an old hard hat i trimmed , some sign material and a old paintball mask. all hot glued together. then i started adding clay.

Do you have pics of this before clay was added.There are concerns your simply adding clay over a pghfett helmet. A inside shot of the sculpt as it is now would end the rumors quickly. thanks

well to put any rumours to bed ,that this is not my work. here are the following pics. thanks you ,SGB for being honest and coming forward with what was being said and allowing me to clear my name.

oh i forgot i did use a toperware bowl i cut up to get the front brow and the notch in the back of the helmet.

nice one mate

u dog still looks very suspicious

Nate

LOL........

Sweet! I love how scratchbuilds and scratchbuilt masters can look so mesy underneath, yet become beautiful works of art when finished and cast.

Great work bro!

Thanks for cooperating Tom..Im sure this will lay the rumor to rest ill post info at the AC board.I also replied at the BSN board.
And yeah that dog does look like he is up to no good

great tom & Jason - everyone behaving like adults and a good result!

now guys - more comments pls! i really want to see this armour get the ground as I am a real clone addict, but ref material is sparse.

Tom pm sent abt package en route from UK

Nate

a little update:

both arm band half way to being finished. sitll have some putty and sanding left.
the piece in the middle is a little wide. i had sculpted this as one piece and decided after the the test pull it would not retain enough detail. so i ground out the piece and made a new one. the piece is not attached, it is just sitting there.

the left arm greeblies , i have built this box 3 times and counting. the rubber is to soft , but i had some left over to see if my scult was correct.


i also redid the shoulderbell and forearm piece, i will post pics when i have the arm armor done.

hey tom - I am sure u hav seen all the nice ref photos on BSN - so wont bother reposting those.

very nice progress!

(1) bicep piece looks good. in fact its accurate to pics that I have in terms of shape and flares. the 2 resin rectangular blocks also look very good. the 'box' u got - cant comment, none of the ref images I have actually give me a detailed look at it. the straps look accurate, but cant say anything abt the box detail - soz

(2) u are right abt the shoulder bells, they look slightly to small (abt 20%?) next time u do a test fit, try puttin a bit of sponge in betwen the shoulder and the bell itself. All the ref pic of Kashyyyk (and other clone troopers); their bells are a few cm above their actual shoulder/

eager to see more

Nate

pouches version I

here is the color samples , i bought some multi cam cloth and spraypainted them becase all the pouches are NOT the same color. some are grey ,white,or green looking.


here are pics of the pouches unpainted, and they are just taped on so forgive the position of them. they are syntra covered in camo cloth. (i can't sew) a bigger person would make these look better because of space. i just quessed on sizes of the pouches from screen shots. they will be more spaced out on the final costume because of layers of cloth.

hey tom - man u work fast.
i rember over xmas I was gonna try to work on one of the thigh boxes; and u've done ALL the body boxes!

looks good. maybe even consider velcroing each pouch on ur personal cossie - like on the modular webbings u get on assault vests u can use in paintballing.

man - u plannin to be a supplier of a WHOLE KS kit? thought u were only workin on the armour part.

Nate

i am just supplying the armor and helmet. but i am building all the soft parts for my personal costume if i cannot buy them.

here is me modeling the casting of the rough sculpt. now the real fun begins , bondo and alot of sanding.



and here is the sculpt after i reclaimed the clay , it broke my heart to do it , but you know, got to do what you got to do..........

woah tom - wot does that compare to ur fett lid?

it looks kinda big

Hey Tom, I have a question for you. From what I understand you order your stuff from Jgreer correct? If so, are you using their casting resin to slush cast? I just cant seem to get the layers to stick when I do my masks in that resin.

here it is compared to a TE storm trooper helmet and a boba fett.


the problem is the length and trying to get your head in it.

Originally Posted by 987654321a

Hey Tom, I have a question for you. From what I understand you order your stuff from Jgreer correct? If so, are you using their casting resin to slush cast? I just cant seem to get the layers to stick when I do my masks in that resin.

this was just a quick casting. slush.

ta for comparison shots Tom.
aye it was the shot in profile (length?) - the back of head to nose - that looked a bit long
the face and visor look spot on, but the bucket portion appears too elongated.

although not the same heres a shot of my biker lid in profile to demonstrate



dont really have any ref piccies of the lid in profile to give better critique though maybe SGB can help?

are u aiming to make the lid a flip up?

btw - the speed you work at is just too nauseating!! great progress as usual

i thought about that, but man we will see. i compared it to my cheapo clone helmet and it was about the same length.

if the helmet did not have that under turn on the face i could make this helmet 2" shorter.

do you think i should cut it in half and try to make it shorter?

well i cut it in half , so now i can make it as short as i want. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

want to see a picture??????

yessir!

well i cut it in half to take care of any length concerns...............now i can try to make it open in the front like the toy.

rofl - nutter
I was abt to say - that even if u were making a flip top; if I ever got my hands on one or ur lids, I would prob do that to it!!

btw - dont take my word on the length for granted. gonna dig out my ROTS DVDs to look through it again

happy..... what ever it is you do for fun Tom ;P

Nate

i always felt it was too long, but your comments just comfirmed what i was thinking.

on the screen shots the helmet looks real short. but where cgi and real life meet is another thing.

aye - I know what you mean. just follow any of the clone lid makers in the WIPs and they all complain about the same thing - eg SGB's on going sculpt of the AT RT on CE

only 2 lids that i know of are pghfett's and pghfett's badly recasted lid from SFP. neither of which I have in my possession; but on pics look like their backsides are shorter.

but, if u having said that - the biker lid above of mine is a Rubies lid, and although abit tight on my 59cm head, it does fit.

we will see how the MB lid goes ;P

oh was abt to say - lots of clone troopers are used to cutting up their lids to fit their heads. its a small sacrifice we all make in order to get screen accurate lids. I say go for accuracy, a clone trooper WILL find a way to get the lid onto our heads.

Nate

i am going to cut an inch out and do some grinding on the back to shorting up. the front and back veiws are fine , the length shall be remedied. thats why i own a belt sander!!!!HAHHAHHA

lol - is that the one run off a compressor?

steelblitz swears by one.

that explains how u managed to get u JP lookin so sweet so quickly - I find I am ages at the sanding phase of builds

cant wait to see how it turns out man

here is the helmet after i made it over and inch shorter, compared to my fett helmet. now the bibe is too big. no problem.

tom I pm'd u the wrong piccie of my biker lid

heres the one I wanted to post u






I think it looks better tbh. ah - I realised I should have shown u more pics of the bucket part, as there is an extension into the face plate bit to maintain its co-hesiveness

bib actually still looks in proportion. think the lid is REALLY taking shape now!

Nate

here's a sneak peek at the chest armor. long way to go on that.



and here is the new shoulder bell compared to one of the first pulls from the first one i made. (raw casting) still in the final shaping phase before i smooth it out. made it deeper because me and nate felt it would be a touch to small.

gonna dig out me clone shoulder bell and see how it looks on my shouder - mind you I am not a big fella - abt 5'9''

chest is also a strange combination of scout biker and clone. the pec details are more akin to clone I think

will post once I find it!

i have not started on the chest detail. mainly just trying to get the basic shape right then carve out the center notch.

update, i started so sand away on this bad boy. i have to get the face plate done and molded. to finish the back. if i want to make this an open face helmet. i have rounded off the top dome and the back part. also i cut the vents back to be more accurate. i am also going to carve in the vents under the eyes and the ones on the back. looking ugly right now , but it is getting there.

gawd - I feel like the naggin mother whose never satisfied (and man do I know wot its like to be on the receiving end of that!)

I know its far from being the fisnished product, but is there some asymmetry of the bottom edge of the faceplate? flare on the left looks a little long in the face and rounded outwards.
Looks like u have been workin on the flare on the right - I like the look of the increased 'flared angle'

vents look nice - but are they cannon?
Mr Bungle - dibs on the 1st cast when it comes out ;P

as far as i can tell , you can either paint the vents or carve. i chose carve. the vents at the top are canon.

ps , i get the first casting , you want second??

Originally Posted by mrbungle

ps , i get the first casting , you want second??

rofl of course mate - maker always get the 1st 1st cast.
I meant the 1st cast of the 'for sale' run ;D

didnt notice vents before - darn, back to DVDs for me! I personally prefer carved in - but it might prove a problem to replicate repeatedly (might be a plus side to frustrate recasters!) ALternately, loads of people out there who could make decals if it proves too difficult (TK4510 on FISD immediately springs to mind!)

arm update, right arm pretty much finished. ignore the rough edge that will be taken care of before the molding.

man - u were right abt the bell. looks bigger and much more like movie now!

rough edges - pffft looks better than other armour I;ve seen mate.

nice work on the elbow piece btw - noticed the new back flare

Nate

after years of research the team at bungle technologies have finally figured out that god **** viser and have it in somewhat of the correct shape.

hmmm looks a bit too acute maybe?

thats judging from this image mostly and from ROTS movie stills - which arent great tbh
but tahts the problem with this lid isnt it?



I see u got the vent on top penciled in already

i see what you are saying. the liner is just to give it shape until i can bondo and sand it to the correct shape. that thing has been giving me fits......

here is a sneakpeek at the back tank. it is too cold to work outside so i made this last night for the basic shape. then bondo, i am going to sculpt the plate seperately to save clay and rubber. make a finished tank then attach it to the prototype backplate then finish both for molding.

WOW, looking good so far!

Off to a great start on this, looking forward to seeing more.

here is the chest and back armor ready for transition molds.

You BEAUTY!!

here is the helmet as it sits now. i made the chin come straight down and tried to narrow the flares. got the viser starting to look right. starting to come together.

nice as usual Tom

visor - u were right, doesnt look as turned in as ur earlier WIP photo. looks right now. or are u still having nightmares abt it? ;P

cheek flairs - symmetry is always a prob, but ur left falir looks better than ur right, not just in the say it looks, the left flair seems to have a nicer, more natural curve to it. Also - the left looks correct from the fact that the face plate sits a bit lower than the back bucket bit (compared to right - which is in the same line as the bucket)

under the eyes - nothing to critisize man; just wanted to say; all the complex curves there look like a beaut!! as do the vents.

above eyes - the 3 rectangles - just moldin or clamp impressions? or meant to be there?

over-all front-back dimension also looks much better

man - this is goign quick!

now i have to thin out the viser, it is a little to thick. on the flares , they are a beast.
i think once i have the bottom of the helmet where it meets, right. it will look better.

the 3 rectangles at the top are cannon. they are just to tall. they only go up about a quarter of an inch.

the thickness did catch my eye, but goign back to my good ole rubies I noticed that on that bucket, it WAS quite thick :



it does look thinner on the ref pic's, but not by much

wow didnt realise abt the 3 rectangles. thought they were too symmetrical and persistent just to be 'accidents'

i have given up on making this helmet a flip face. the gaps will be too big. mainly where the viser meets the brow. to make it work you need a 8 th of an inch gap. the screen shots show no gaps . maybe version 2.0 will be a flippy. but not right now. the idea of this build is to be a accurate as possible. so j-b weld it is. but this helmet will come together alot quicker without the added headache of trying to make it work.

it is my first helmet build after all.

i hang my head in defeat.

but,i will rise up with a full heart and bury this helmet in it's own blood. HAHAHAHA

something one of my heros would say.

bill the butcher from gangs of new york. he had one eye, i have one eye. so i admire bad azzs with one eye!!!!! LOL!!!!

Don't be so hard on yourself buddy. The work you are doing is top notch! I'm still eagerly awaiting more pics and updates on this one.

hey mate - no worries.
sure no one will fault u mate.
the complex curves of the lid look really difficult to sculpt at all.
I agree with Skip - nothing to hang in shame abt, top job so far.

I was thinking of this - you would have to also make a weird semi-curcular thing where the face plate hinges to the bucket itself, and the faceplate would have to site forward just a wee bit to accomodate for the movement.

even the Rubies lids make some compromise to being accurate as teh face plate never seems to fit right. I was planning on using velcro to keep my face plate in place.

plus points - cutting it :
(1) improved the front/back dimension
(2) make casting possible

who knows - someone may have some fun modding this lid to make it flippable

if any1 is to blame - it would be me goading u into doing it cos of its 'coolness' factor - my bad mate

Nate

no problem ,just a minor setback. i am more disappointed than anything. but i had to cut it in half anyways so i thought why not try to make it work.

anyways, back to work!!!!

Tom,

You are doing an awesome job on this project! I must say that it takes a lot of patience and great talent to make something out of nothing! Keep up the good work!

man, for once I got nothing to say or complain abt

*gob smacked*

cant wait for ur next update

Nate

LOL! Absolutely!!! It's looking great buddy!!

thanks for the comments , the the top of the triangle is crooked. no problem ,i took it of and sanded the snout to be more flat inside the reccess of the snout.

started the greebles. they are a little too long. just trim them up and they should be good.

Nicely done, I really REALLY like this!

thanks,i hope to have this helmet done in the next 2 weeks ,then start an interest thread.

lookin good Tom

centre triangle looks all straightened up.

is the right sided flare still needing work? may be the piccie, still looks a bit 'off'

wot did u do with thickness of the visor? did you thin it out? thought it looked ok as it was.

2 weeks - wow that quick mate

i thinned out the viser, 2 weeks is alot of time for me. between this and my tattoo shop ,i work almost 7 days a week. i will sleep when i am dead.

i will fix the right side.
i ahve sun, and wed off so they are my major work days on this stuff.

i have the transition mold for the chest done. just have do a casting of it to start cleaning it up for the master mold.

here is the chest rough sculpt out of the mold to be worked on to turn it into the master.
and some armor pieces fresh out of the molds>>>> please excuse the mess i call my casting table .

helmet update. getting the details finalized. cut out the lens to get it all cleaned up. then i am going to glae a flat peice of plastic in to give me a nice clean rim around the lens. starting to get close to being done.

Great! Looking forward to seeing the final result of this labour of love. It's gonna be great!!

update, i cut put the lens part to try to get a clean return edge and i cut out the snout to do the same. also about finished with the greeblies. i tried to make the helmet thinner at the jaw line. because reference shows the little side pieces go all the way to the bottom of the helmet and the flares do not go past them. i also filled in the vents under the eyes because i felt they did not look right. i also cut the vents in the back on the bottom. that was my day.

i am almost finished with this helemt, now it is at the clean up stage. if anybady has any points to make about the shape or what have you, now is the time.

howdy, i am not updating this thread anymore. for future updates go the bikerscout.net and look for mrbungles KS build.

peace!