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  1. fettpride's Avatar
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    Feb 22, 2008, 12:09 AM - Re: High End Liscensed SW Armor / Costumes Coming Soon #26

    Perhaps

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    Feb 22, 2008, 12:24 AM - Re: High End Liscensed SW Armor / Costumes Coming Soon #27

    i think material wise anything they make will just fall apart or break.
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    Feb 22, 2008, 1:47 AM - Re: High End Liscensed SW Armor / Costumes Coming Soon #28

    Hopefully this will give us some nice high end costume pieces.... I thinks it's exciting! Maybe we should at least wait and see some prototypes before we bring out the lynch mob!
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    Feb 22, 2008, 8:31 AM - Re: High End Liscensed SW Armor / Costumes Coming Soon #29

    I don't like it. Easily obtainable, accurate costumes means trouble for the 501st. I'm with the group that wants to see these guys fail.

    But on second thought, there's really no way for them to do a Fett as good as we could. Most of us agree that the Master Replicas helmet is the best mass produced bucket out there. (I don't want to hear about the visor issue! ) But that helmet still doesn't hold a candle to the stuff TDH turns out. Even if the armor is limited in numbers it just isn't feasible for a company to mass produce anything close to what we spend our time working on.

    But on third thought... I have a buddy that builds custom lightsabers. Whenever he shows them to people in costume or otherwise, they always dismiss them as being, "Those lightsabers you can buy for like $100" just because they don't know what true quality is. I'd hate to have to deal with that in a Fett suit...
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    Feb 22, 2008, 8:52 AM - Re: High End Liscensed SW Armor / Costumes Coming Soon #30

    Problem is, the people who get to do the research, development, and design for licensed replica companies are never the most qualified people for the job.
    All the potential is there, but because they have the wrong people in those positions, the product never will turn out as well as it COULD.
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    Feb 22, 2008, 8:55 AM - Re: High End Liscensed SW Armor / Costumes Coming Soon #31

    Economically, I don't think they can be successful at making costumes which are accurate, high quality and cost effective. If they make it relatively inexpensive for the general public so they can sell , theres no way the Chinese 13 year old assembling and painting it will make it accurate or of high quality. Conversely, If they try to make it high quality, the cost will be put out of reach by all but a handful of collectors and they won't make money in the end.

    Maybe a high quality Han Solo or Luke Skywalker costume could be done for a price that will sell on the open market, but never TK or Fett armor.
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    Feb 22, 2008, 9:33 AM - Re: High End Liscensed SW Armor / Costumes Coming Soon #32

    For me, building, assembling, painting my own bits and pieces are what make it enjoyable as a hobby, something you can be really proud of, for some people this is fantastic news and I will reserve judgment until I see pictures but as a whole I think I will stick with my boys and girls here at TDH
  8. Spideyfett is offline Spideyfett
    Feb 22, 2008, 9:57 AM - Re: High End Liscensed SW Armor / Costumes Coming Soon #33

    Quote Gino said: View Post
    Problem is, the people who get to do the research, development, and design for licensed replica companies are never the most qualified people for the job.
    All the potential is there, but because they have the wrong people in those positions, the product never will turn out as well as it COULD.
    Actually Gino I would beg to differ...
    I think for this particular project, at least the Fett stuff, I know for a fact that they will have some pretty knowledgible people on board......which is a good thing....

    I myself am VERY excited about this. Some of the questions we had in terms of the suit will more than likely be answered throughout this process...which again, is a good thing.

    And I don't want to sound like I'm completely on board, but according to the Q&A and others "in the know", friends of TDH...they are taking the right appoarch, and asking ALL the right questions...and to me, that's a great start.

    They know that people like us have allot of information to help. I don't think they will be trying to "reinvent the wheel" when it comes to this stuff....again I can only speak for the Fett community on this.

    All that being said, this is a retail costume that will be released, and unltimately it will be an idealized version.... My own fett so far, is over 6000$, I don't think they are gonna put something like that out...why would they?..only us TDH'ers would end up buying it.
    So I think people will see a "MR" version of the Fett suit... if that makes sense (referring to the MR helmet)...Parts and sizing will be correct, but depth, color, and detail is what will make the difference.



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    Feb 22, 2008, 10:08 AM - Re: High End Licensed SW Armor / Costumes Coming Soon #34

    eghhh.

    This thread is like the MR disputes all over again.


    Bottom line, these people will do enough research to make an acceptable product that will bring in a profit.

    They probably won't spend more time than they have to, and are just trying to make a solution for people who want to buy things right away, or get a costume in one straight shot. Not complete a costume over 5 years replacing things every several months like we do here.

    The materials will be decent enough for a replica, but face it...if it's mass produced for a category like this it's not going to be the strongest stuff in the world.


    I could be wrong, and I'm not bashing their stuff either. But I think private prop makers are the way to go for most of the people on this board.

    If they end up producing a screen accurate ANH stormtrooper though you better believe I'll drop cash on it

    I'm too far along on my fett to even bother with whatever they come out with, no matter what.


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    Feb 22, 2008, 10:14 AM - Re: High End Licensed SW Armor / Costumes Coming Soon #35

    I wouldn't hold my breath. Knowledge alone just won't cut it.
    It takes the intimate knowledge of the subject matter, as well as the talent to interpret and manifest that knowledge into a product that will satisfy both the discerning collector as well as the casual fan. It also takes someone with knowledge of manufacturing technologies, marketing strategy, production experience, materials and processes, and truly have a finger on the pulse of the target audience.

    I think that there have been (and will be) people who possess some of those characteristics, but not all wrapped up in one which is why so many blunders have occured, and will occur.
  11. Spideyfett is offline Spideyfett
    Feb 22, 2008, 10:31 AM - Re: High End Licensed SW Armor / Costumes Coming Soon #36

    Quote Gino said: View Post
    I wouldn't hold my breath. Knowledge alone just won't cut it.
    It takes the intimate knowledge of the subject matter, as well as the talent to interpret and manifest that knowledge into a product that will satisfy both the discerning collector as well as the casual fan. It also takes someone with knowledge of manufacturing technologies, marketing strategy, production experience, materials and processes, and truly have a finger on the pulse of the target audience.

    I think that there have been (and will be) people who possess some of those characteristics, but not all wrapped up in one which is why so many blunders have occured, and will occur.

    Valid points..
    Hope this doesn't come off wrong, I get what you're saying and all ..
    I guess my question is....."What makes you think they don't have any of that knowledge and ability at hand already?? to AT LEAST come close???..or better yet, to get it right.??"...(speaking strictly on the Fett side)

    I guess what excites me about all this, at least in this fett community, is they are asking all the right people, and asking all the right questions. ....that I know.
    They truely know who they need to appeal to aswell, and understand that people like us are on one end of the spectrum, and I think they will reach some medium ground.......... unfortunately not everyone will be happy no matter which direction they end up going.
  12. Wes is offline Wes
    Feb 22, 2008, 10:50 AM - Re: High End Licensed SW Armor / Costumes Coming Soon #37

    Quote Spideyfett said: View Post
    Valid points..
    I guess my question is....."What makes you think they don't have any of that knowledge and ability at hand already?? to AT LEAST come close???..or better yet, to get it right.??"...(speaking strictly on the Fett side)
    Because in the end, its still a non-Fett "expert" (for lack of better term) doing the work.
    Alex, you can provide your expertise all day long just like Lee, Art or any of those guys did with MR, Sideshow etc.. and its still not going to be right.

    Close?? I guess you could call MR close. When LFL hands you a helmet and all you get is close, there is something wrong.
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    Feb 22, 2008, 10:51 AM - Re: High End Licensed SW Armor / Costumes Coming Soon #38

    Quote Spideyfett said: View Post
    Valid points..
    Hope this doesn't come off wrong, I get what you're saying and all ..
    I guess my question is....."What makes you think they don't have any of that knowledge and ability at hand already??
    The short answer.
    Because I know all the people in this hobby who do possess those abilities, and none of them are involved.
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    Feb 22, 2008, 10:52 AM - Re: High End Licensed SW Armor / Costumes Coming Soon #39

    Quote Delta75 said: View Post
    Because in the end, its still a non-Fett "expert" (for lack of better term) doing the work.
    Alex, you can provide your expertise all day long just like Lee, Art or any of those guys did with MR, Sideshow etc.. and its still not going to be right.

    Close?? I guess you could call MR close. When LFL hands you a helmet and all you get is close, there is something wrong.

    Exactly.
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    Feb 22, 2008, 10:52 AM - Re: High End Licensed SW Armor / Costumes Coming Soon #40

    Quote Spideyfett said: View Post
    Valid points..
    unfortunately not everyone will be happy no matter which direction they end up going.
    This is most certain

    I think it's time for a breathe of fresh air. There are a couple of things that Windlass has going for them ...

    They've been established for many years. Museum has been around since
    '71. Windlass grabbed them in '96. So I think they've at least shown that they DO have some knowledge of the business, and have found a little middle ground somewhere along the line. They've done a great deal of their business, making items for other companies too, when no one had a clue who they were. they even made items for MR I believe.

    Case in point, unlike MR, they've got a bit of experience on their side. I don't believe they're going to be as quick to "jump" on anything, if they're not fully prepared. Times have changed, and if anything, you know full well, they've been watching MR with great interest over the past 5 years, and have learned a lot from their mistakes with the Star Wars universe with their "mindset" of obtaining that license someday themselves

    I know I would have been paying attention


    Quote Gino said: View Post
    The short answer.
    Because I know all the people in this hobby who do possess those abilities, and none of them are involved.
    Wow bro, that wasn't nice at all. With statements like that, this thread could go south fast. Keep cool man We're just talking here.

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    Feb 22, 2008, 10:55 AM - Re: High End Licensed SW Armor / Costumes Coming Soon #41

    MR asked all the right people all the right questions and they still got it wrong! They had access to everything.
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    Feb 22, 2008, 10:56 AM - Re: High End Licensed SW Armor / Costumes Coming Soon #42

    Quote Foxbatkllr said: View Post
    MR asked all the right people all the right questions and they still got it wrong! They had access to everything.

    They asked, but they didn't listen.
  18. Spideyfett is offline Spideyfett
    Feb 22, 2008, 10:57 AM - Re: High End Licensed SW Armor / Costumes Coming Soon #43

    Quote Delta75 said: View Post
    Because in the end, its still a non-Fett "expert" (for lack of better term) doing the work.
    Alex, you can provide your expertise all day long just like Lee, Art or any of those guys did with MR, Sideshow etc.. and its still not going to be right.

    Close?? I guess you could call MR close. When LFL hands you a helmet and all you get is close, there is something wrong.
    I hear ya... in the end you are right Delta...once the knowledge is pasted on, it's really up to them what they do with it..........WOW, I think we just agreed on something....

    Quote Gino said: View Post
    The short answer.
    Because I know all the people in this hobby who do possess those abilities, and none of them are involved.
    no comment...
  19. DarkeSword2020 is offline DarkeSword2020
    Feb 22, 2008, 10:57 AM - Re: High End Licensed SW Armor / Costumes Coming Soon #44

    Just a quick note of interest,

    First we had master replicas = MR

    Now we have museum replicas... = MR...

    Wierd coincidence?

    Love some opinions on this...
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    Feb 22, 2008, 11:02 AM - Re: High End Licensed SW Armor / Costumes Coming Soon #45

    Quote Foxbatkllr said: View Post
    MR asked all the right people all the right questions and they still got it wrong! They had access to everything.
    I agree with Gino on this, BIG TIME. They just didn't listen. This time it should be different tho

    And the whole "MR" vs. "MR" - got to be a coincidence ...

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    Feb 22, 2008, 11:03 AM - Re: High End Licensed SW Armor / Costumes Coming Soon #46

    Not trying to offend anyone, just putting it out there.

    I will say this, I think it was a step in the right direction for MR to invlove some of the talent they did for projects such as the fett helmet. The problem is that they weren't involved enough.

    I think it's hard for people who are in the decision making positions to swallow their pride and let the 'talent' or 'project consultant' do their thing.
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    Feb 22, 2008, 11:06 AM - Re: High End Licensed SW Armor / Costumes Coming Soon #47

    I agree Gino, it's a direct hit to the ego for some of these guys, to take advice from a "consultant" when they consider themselves - the expert

    Hopefully, this is one of the lessons learned from MR's mistakes.

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    Feb 22, 2008, 11:08 AM - Re: High End Licensed SW Armor / Costumes Coming Soon #48

    They actually made some prototype Anakin boots and they were made from the cheapest leather you can imagine...like the same kind of stuff you might get from costumebase or starfortress.
  24. Spideyfett is offline Spideyfett
    Feb 22, 2008, 11:12 AM - Re: High End Licensed SW Armor / Costumes Coming Soon #49

    Quote Gino said: View Post
    Not trying to offend anyone, just putting it out there.

    I will say this, I think it was a step in the right direction for MR to invlove some of the talent they did for projects such as the fett helmet. The problem is that they weren't involved enough.

    I think it's hard for people who are in the decision making positions to swallow their pride and let the 'talent' or 'project consultant' do their thing.
    No offense taken....it's cool.

    I do think there are a Lot of talented people here on this board and on the RPF and other boards..... and I think this new group see's that. , and acutally understands some of the mistakes MR made.

    I think we are all saying the same thing really... that there are talented people out there, that can help....it's up to them to use those people to help get it right.....so we'll see.
  25. DarkeSword2020 is offline DarkeSword2020
    Feb 22, 2008, 11:21 AM - Re: High End Licensed SW Armor / Costumes Coming Soon #50

    My question, how many of us have actually "offered" our help to Master Replicas, or actually considered helping out Museum Replicas?

    Just a curious q.

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