Nice transition on the side where the face meets the neck ring.
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Nice transition on the side where the face meets the neck ring.
Hey Chris, I will check my resources person and get back to you on this. I think you did a good job on the piece. I was actually going to make mine just like a stormtrooper but have the bottoms come together, like you did.
Looking pretty good there vode.
I haven't heard from my friend who worked on these files for the game but from what he said before is that he manipulated regular Stormtrooper files by pulling and stretching the face. It was to be a squattier and wider front. So think your interpretation is spot on, but that is only an OPINION. Opinions aren't always accurate until I hear from the source and if he can present me other files to pull shots from.
My overall opinion on this is to strive for accuracy but your are ultimately the artist, and it is your interpretation of a video game Dark Trooper. Have fun and if you like it, TROOP ON! Excellent work Chris.
Wow. I joined the forums here just for this! As a bigger guy (6'3") I was looking for an Imperial uniform that would look right on me. This was the first thing that popped into my head. Chris, it looks great and I will be watching your progress with great interest!
Also worked the other ear a bit too..
Awesome bro! Glad to see another member on here, and that your interested. I felt the same exact way when I decided to do this project.
Every time I see progress on this project, I am amazed. Keep it up!
I've been off the board for a while and to come back to this is absoloutely brilliant!.
Chris, fantastic progress on this amazing project mate, and its great
to see another talented artist such as Jangojedi take up the challenge of
this mad and mean costume as well.
Gentlemen, I salute yous
Yes, hopefully between Chris and I; we can get a completed Dark Trooper done. Long over do IMO.
Here is a pic of the sculpt as of now. I'm getting closer to finishing the other ear cap and I've started working on the back a bit more.
Ignore the lines I put into it as of now, I just did that for myself to get a general idea of placement.
Looks good Chris, keep it up Bro!!
Long over do - meaning there are people who worked on this game who have wanted to see the Dark Trooper take physical form for many years now.
I actually have been busy on my Boba Blaster molds and Mando bucket build. I need to get crackin back on this bucket.
The word on the grill is that it spawns from the center, like you have it. The white in this picture is the highlight of the black parts. The big black area at the bottom/ sides are more of a shadow vs. a part.
i was just kidding man... it's late.
(i really didn't curse. for the record.)
Too funny, your progress on that MQ SNOWIE looks good. I am up late because I got some info for TUBACHRIS here. But I will workin on this Dark Trooper, between Chris and I we gotta get this thing into real world armor.
Oh man, I'm sorry for not responding!
Thanks for posting that clearer pic for me..Well, here's the plan I have. Since I won't be able to get to D-con, I'm going to work my butt off to produce a finished helmet, for my buddy to bring to display.
What I am going to do, however, is make a plaster mold and plaster cast of how it is right now. The reason for this, is that it would significantly decrease the amount of smoothing work it needs as it is now with clay. This will also preserve the current details, so that I won't have to fear of accidenly messing a section up. Thats the plan, and I really think I can pull it off over the summer.
That sounds. Keep it goin Chris.
Well, at the moment, I am planning to do the plaster molding in the coming weeks. Going to start building the mold box tomorrow, IrishFett22 is going to be helping me out getting this done. We are also thinking of putting together a Dark Forces Phase 3 helmet, but we are not sure yet.
I am so glad to see you still working on the Darktrooper! As it is right now, I am saving up to start a standard stormtrooper uniform, however I really want a darktrooper in the worst way! I'm eagerly awaiting more pictures!
Well I figured what I'm going to use for the mold, just need to get the materials now, and finish prepping the sculpt for molding!
Awesome, I can't wait to see pics on this progress.
Well no molding pics yet, but I wanted to show how I'm prepping this. I cut out the sections where the areators are. I can't have it flat for obviouse reasons, but I'm thinking now that I should have left those sections closed for molding (Ooops..)
Anyways, some things I just can't smooth out as I like, but these things will be fixed once I get the first cast made. I'm going to make a rotocast helmet for the transition/master. This will allow me to have a strong sturdy base to work with while still allowing me the freedom of making adjustments as I need. I am most likely going to switch the type of clay I'm using though, cause it's not adhearing to anything!
As you can see, I also removed the chin greeblie. I want this portion to be as smooth as possible for the transition cast. It was really difficult to get the back section as smooth and clean looking as I wanted, so thats the purpose for removing it now. I will be adding it on for the final master.
I took this picture, because I really wanted to show how much I'm emphasizing on details, despite the 3D model being flat, I really used my references from my FX TK helmet. I really think that it brings a sense of more realism to it then just a video game.
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Before I signed up here I read through the entirety of this thread, and I'm very impressed my friend. That's a really cool idea for a costume, and I can't wait to see it complete. Keep up the good work!
Good work Chris, I personally used Kleen Klay Non-sulphuric, really awesome stuff, just don't BuMP it.
Flat spots for the aerators, use a forsale sign or plastic from a star wars fig card.
Just one more update for tonight, I originially was just going to slap on the decal details, either pre-made ones or hand painted. I first tried to sculpt those sections out, but to no avail.
Despite my first failed attempt, I want to get that TK look going, so I went at it again, and managed to pull it off well IMO. All the trapazoids and "tear" drop details are now physically sculpted in.
The back looks wide, but using my reference, it is actually this wide apart
Thats it for now, thanks!
For those attending Dragon Con, you will be able to see the first finished helmet on display
Every time you post pictures I am equally as giddy as a schoolgirl and as jealous as hell! Are you going to be selling helmets and armor after you are done molding and forming?
LOL That's the first time I've ever made someone do that.
It's looking more like just the helmet when I'm done with it. The armor at this point is on hold. I'm not sure where I'm going to be after july, with the military and school. It's a bit chaotic, but I'm going to have to say the armor portion will have to take place sometime next year, as much as I don't want to have to wait that long.
Yea I've just decided that I'm not going to be using Moulage for the transition mold...just going to stick with silicone all the way.
Everything I find about moulage molding is leading me to believe that it's not good for molding a helmet. Plus, I'm afraid of ruining the clay and details just trying to apply the moulage. Silicone will actually adhere for the most part when brushing off. Moulage, after melting it in a double boiler (which I don't have either) is that it won't adhere until it's cooled down.
So yea. Besides, all the videos I found online were in French...
Silicone all the way, but I just need mo money.
This is coming along great!
Alright, got a bit more work done on this. I decided to form the indentations for where the areators will go. It actually worked out alot better then I thought! Just re-inforced the inside, across where I had cut it, with two large strips of styrene, which I hot glued into place. From that, I not only increased the structural support where it had not existed before, but gave me a platform to create the areator indentations.
Of course, I still have alot more clean up to go, but it's looking pretty good IMO. Also, you can see the areator I will be using, which I feel fits rather well, and proportionate. Ignore how far it's sticking out, because when the helmet is finished, the areator as you see it will, half of it will be inside the helmet, and the rest of it sticking out, revealing only the smooth section. To get a better idea of that, look at my FX TK faceplate I was originally going to make the helmet from, and these are the same exact areators from that FX faceplate.
The helmet's right side looks deeper the the helmet's left, but that is partially due to the lighting and shadow. I feel it looks alot better in person..
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I look forward to more progress pics.
I can`t wait to see the completed helmet.
Thank you very much Jodo!
I got around to trying to smooth out the back later last night. It looks a heck of alot better then it did originally..
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Excellent work Chris, keep it up man! I haven't had a lot of time for mine, been working double shift and trying to spend time with the family when I get home. I can't wait to see you finish this out.
Wow Chris, that is looking fantastic! Put me down for one when you get finished!
Well, I'm packing up and moving out of the house. Lease is up at the end of the month, so I'm going to be moving back down to Ft. Lauderdale for a few months or so. One of the things that's really going to suck, is that I won't be able to mold the helmet before I do move.
Going to be really risky, but I'm going to have to transport the sculpt 400 miles without anything ruining it..
man that thing is rocking! hope the move goes smoothly
Well, I finished the move and I'm back home. I wanted to give the damage report though..
My scratchbuilt jet pack, well, has been ultimatly destroyed.
The pepakura chest armor and back piece, I had to dispose of. I had no room to transport these at all
the helmet sculpt is still intact. I was as careful as I could be with this, but still suffered damage. I need to spend awhile repairing it
Non related, my fusion cutter prop began to fall apart (due to heat)
So yea, thats whats going on right now...
That sucks Chris. Bumps on a sculpt might lead to a better finished product though.
Just making a status update.
Not giving up, just taking my time. The move put some damage on the helmet sculpt, but nothing that cannot be fixed. I'm thinking about re-working some details on the face for more accuracies, and might throw in some small details that are reminicent of real TK helmets, but nothing to sway it from accuracy.
The jetpack that I spent time scratchbuilding, well, completly fell apart, and I've pretty much scrapped it, save what pieces that I can keep. I was planning on re-doing the jetpack anyways, but it still sucks. Lesson learned though.
My dad has been renovatiing my grandfather's house, and say's that I can use his seperate garage/building as a workshop when he's done getting permits, etc. So I'll have a place to work on this armor, indoors and have alot of space.
I will be re-building a vac-former, with help hopefully. Reusing pieces from my original former. I can't say when this will all actually take place, but I'm expecting to begin sometime during the winter or sometime AFTER I return from Army basic next year. I need a solid income before I can really do what I need for this project. After what happend to my jetpack, I want to do things right the first time, so I don't have to repeat anything again.
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It's been like watching a movie, reading this thread and following your progress and you life as I've read. I'm touched by your experiences. Ta! for sharing it makes this place real with real people and real passions.
any words to describe the pure awesomeness of your hard work would be a waste of my time to write and yours to read.
Jangojedi and Tubachris:
Any updates on your Dark Trooper projects? I'm new to the boards, and have been looking for a costume for someone my size, and a DT sounds like it would be a great fit (I'm 6ft 8, 300#). I'm REALLY impressed by your work so far, and hope you get these finished soon so I can start working on mine. Good luck finishing them and getting them approved by the 501st.
I'm going to be honest in that this won't be getting completed anytime soon on my end. I recently enlisted in the Army Reserves and will be leaving in about 2 months, and won't be back for 8 months. I have too many obligations and projects that I need to take care of before I leave, so I won't be working on this anytime soon unfortunatly. When I return, however, I actuallly have money to my name and be able properly fund this.
Back when I was deciding on character to base my first armour sculpt on, I had narrowed the selection down to two characters; The Dark Trooper and DURGE.
In conversation with my Garrison Commander,--president of the local chapter of the 501st costuming community--I learned that the Dark Trooper had already been done, in 1996;
From the web gallery of Valhalla Arms
I post this to encourage those working on their own Dark Trooper projects, Chris and others, to completion.
I've still got a few pages left to read in the middle of this thread, but I've really been enjoying going through it. Been providing me with a lot of ideas and inspirations of my own. Best of luck with the Army and establishing a cash flow! I'll look forward to seeing more progress.
KJeep plugging at it Chris, it looks awesome!
Is there any way i could get the pep files please i want to make the helmet thank you
Hello to everyone who reads this before I return! I am going to Army basic and AIT tomorrow morning! I won't be back until December! So 8 months! I'm planning to get back into this project sometime in the Spring, when I get everything settled with school upon return! See ya'll later!
Congratulations Chris, I know you talked about this before, good to see you following through, take care and God Bless.
Lookin great so far
I really wish I could be finishing the helmet sculpt while I'm here
I've been thinking alot about this lately. I feel bad about the lack of attention I should have given this. I find that having a job now is really going to get me moving along with this when I get back.
My biggest goal is to get this helmet done. I haven't completly decided yet, but if things are looking hopeful, I'm going to change over to an original DarkTrooper from Dark Forces. I haven't gotten much done except for the helmet, biceps and forearms anyhow, so I can go two ways: finish this version out or start fresh.
If your not already you should head over to the 501st Spec. Ops forums and Awesome build by the way
its accually a whole new website lol
Man, I hate this thing to still be all talk..I feel helpless not being home. For those that don't know, I have been giving this project alot of thought and I have been wanting to transition this from the current BF2 version, to the original incarnation of the Phase 3. I can't really decide this for sure, but I will eventually be aquiring an almost one of a kind phase 3 jetpack kit made by RichiesArmor some years ago.
That being said, I am NOT abandoning the current one (as I've put too much time, effort and money into this). The helmet, oh man, I really want to finish this thing. I really, really want to get the details fixed from the move and get the transition mold made!
Ugh, I hate being trapped here!
mine was made of card board and packing tape, then we made a mould of it . its gonna have 11 fans inside and a mini can that can record 8 hours of footage.
Since I'm back, Im going to spend some time focusing on this. I've decided I'm going to make a plaster mold, 4 parts. Going to be freaking massive, but I can handle it!
I'll cast it in solid plaster as well. Wish me luck!
I'm glad to see that you are going to be continuing this project. I've always loved watching the progress on this since the beginning.
Chris, I cannot believe you are still cracking away at this!
I remember this thread when it first started up and I have got to say I really admire your dedication.
Don't feel disheartened, you are doing a fantastic job and I'm so pleased to see how far you have come.
Keep up the great work!
Anyways, I was giving it some more thought today. My buddy is going to help me out with it. I'm going to make one mass box. Going to pour the plaster in either 2 or 3 halfs.
If I go with two, it'll seperat length-wise, with a seam down the center of the face to the rear fin. If I do a 3 part, I'll have two sections spliting the face and the rear half of the helmet will be it's own section.
IDK, alot of ways I can do this. Either way, it's gonna be massive
i can't wait to see more progress on this thing. the drak trooper is my favorite character from battlefront 2. and you really have done a great job so far.
I'm wanting to get the mold done before megacon, but funds is holding me back! I had to repair my car last week and that took a significant amount of cash! Anyways, other than that, I'm in the process of planning how to make the mold since the thing is so massive!
From the cast, I'm going to be doing the final smoothing and detailing, adding the mouth grill and sharpening the details.
Hi tubachris85x, I got some flat sheets of white plastic from Industrial Plastic. They have Styrene and Foamed PVC which bonds well with my PVC fittings from Home Depot. Easy to work with.
Getting prepped and ready for this molding. I'm recruiting some fellow soon to be 501st'ers for the transition mold process. It's going to be a two part plaster mold straight down the centerline (length wise). Since I have the huge opening, I'm going to be attaching a "neck ring" so that I can mold this and not worry about trying to fill the opening.
From that, I'll be using shell shock brushable resin that way I don't have to do a slush cast with a soon to be 40+ pound plaster mold!
This build is awesome man, keep up the great work!
Ok, I've taken a long hiatus from this. I've kept putting this off for too long. I'm getting this done, if it kills me. No other project or anything until THIS is finished. I have recovered my old 3D model and starting this again
I have already begun repairing and making adjustments to the sculpt that survived 2 moves across the state...
Confined indoors today, as maintenance men were occupying the outside of the building, pressure cleaning the entire apartment, so got some more work done to this...
I began fixing the rear. I'd say the biggest obstacle with this is getting the entire back side of this sculpt clean. You can see the nastiness of it. I'm thinking that I'm going to cover the entire dome and back end in the new clay, as it's much better quality and much easier to work with.
Overlooking the 3d model, it appears that the back is supposed to be rounded, versus the sharp angled look of it before, therefore, I've added more clay to "round" it out. Still needs some minor work and smoothing, but almost there.
Since I was re-working this area, I've decided to try and pronounce the detail, but think I need to round it down and give it a lower profile..
Getting ready to prep my next part...
bout d4mn time
LOL Don't be mad bro..
Alright, here are the pics I've been slacking on posting. These are from tonight. I went and got what I could finished with the sculpt. Unfortunately, there is only so much I can do at this point but it still "looks" like a soup sandwich (to me) but it's where I need it to be for the transition mold. Structurally speaking, it's no good, so I'd like to get this in the rubber ASAP and cast a solid and or hollow resin piece to work out the final master. My concentration tonight was symmetry where the areators go, as well as re-sculpting the bottom part of one ear cap. Finished off "filling out" the forward "tube" section, so both sides are pretty spot on with each other
This mix grey and white clay is really throwing me off and cannot wait to get a solid piece in one color!!
Close up of the re-worked section
I haven't posted here in awhile, but things are moving along with this project. This past weekend I was able to put the order in for the clone armor pieces from OSCS and about to get a belt set from SteelBitz. The TK parts are coming in as well. These pieces will cover about 90% of the entire suit. Just need to make these last few upper body parts and I'm good to go.
Getting anxious here....
Dude your bucket is looking great!! Keep up the good job. Yeah it may have been done in 1996, but things have changed A LOT since then when it comes to armor and costumes. Yours will look WAY better when it's done I'm sure!
Thanks man! Yea the design changes have been drastic but I think they kept key elements when designing this one.
Good news all around. I am about ready to make the transition mold for the helmet. For the list of supplies I need, then just need to sit down and do it. Next thing, I am going to be having the torso pieces CNC killed directly from the 3d file. Discussed this withheld studio whos helping me out. Gonna throw on some hydrocal and vac form it. I'll keep you all updated!
Steelbitz sent me a pic of my custom belt! Looks pretty good for color! Can't wait to get it in the mail!
Got some help from Brandyn the other day, just wish I had more time! He helped me get started with the clone parts and got me to a good spot to continue fitting and getting the "space diaper" fitted properly. I had to extend both sides on the cod and butt plates to get a good overlap so I can work with it.
The good news is that the thigh armor won't need to be extended, I cut down one set and learned that I can assemble it right after I trim the excess plastic off. I will however have to cut down the return edge at least halfway to get it comfortable.
To top it off, I received my clone hand plates as well as my belt from steelbitz. It's slowly coming together!
The first 100% finished part of the suit is done...the handplates!
Started making fixes for accuracy on the helmet today in preparation for the transition mold in two weeks. Got one eye finished and looking a hell of alot more accurate then before and I started redoing the frown. I think I got the shape I want (need), which IMO makes the helmet look "different" then before, and I think that subtle change in angles really makes it appear more like the in game model. Just need to finish re-doing the teeth...
More to come...Ordering molding supplies tonight!
Ok, well I should have been asleep an hour ago but got to work with the helmet (no new pics just yet) but I started making more corrections for accuracy. Here I present a side-by-side comparison. The 2nd one having annotations to show the areas to be re-worked (what's left at least)
One of the biggest things I kinda hesitated on redoing were the forward "tube" sections that lead into the areator location. The game model depict the starting point/line as where the frown points down on each side. My sculpt's version has it starting higher than the frown. I already cut one side down tonight, need to do the other.
The areator portion I initially was wanting to hold off until after molding, but I've already formed the "ring" on the left side with clay, and filled in the opening somewhat to give a good base foundation to work with later on. I plan to use short/squatty areators.
That's it for now...off to bed for me...
Still working on the fixes. IDK, I feel no matter how much I change, I find something else to work on. I think I just need to settle with it at some point. I've closed up the areators portion, fixed the "tubes" on the forward sides of the face (Where they line up with the point end of the frown) and almost done with the 2nd eye. The actual teeth portion, I could not get it to where I wanted (and cleanly) so I filled it up except for the center to use as a starting point. All in all, I am starting to realize just how much more work is necessary post molding. I just hope I can get it to where I want it...
I'm getting worried about the strength of the helmet now, mainly the outer edges. I'm going to be doing some more fiberglass reinforcement, tomorrow at the latest. I don't want the piece to warp when molding. It's not that bad but I don't want to chance it.
Oh yea, all this showed up..
Alright, well the mixing and brushing phase is done. Gotta let it sit overnight and then make sure its fully cured before I can put the mother mold together, which I'm hoping to do tomorrow night, possibly even try making a cast! I'll post pics shortly...
There ya go, the world's ugliest helmet and the world's ugliest mold, in one...
Ok first half of the mother mold put on! At Fridays waiting for it to cure so we can do the other side! I'm not going to sleep without a casting tonight!
can't wait to see when this is done
Alright, well this was an almost near failure due to the mother mold breaking apart. Lesson for next time is to make it thicker (already pretty thick though) but it developed weak spots and snapped at them. Needless to say I wasn't very happy, despite the actual mold itself coming out perfectly.
So today, I was just fumbling around trying to figure how to hold it all together...a water bucket. It works perfectly and everything sits as it should. The only problem area being the back inside of the fin, but with the casting today, we made the shell shock cure everywhere but the fin, sat the entire thing vertically and finished the fin (which it's now curing). So there we have it, not letting it go to waste or giving up over a screw up.
Anyways, I've been holding out with pics, so here are a few
Heres the mold unassembled. The craptacular mother mold pieces along with it
Here's the sculpt after the excruciating demolding process
Here is the whole thing sitting in the water bucket earlier after starting the casting. Hey, it works....
So now we are just waiting for the entire thing to cure. Ill be back after we pull out the first cast. Until then, beer.
Well here it is. It came out pretty decent but we severely underestimated just how thin the outer edges were, so we have to do some fiberglassing across the rim of the helmet. Some pieces broke off during the demold, but we CA glued them back together (not show in the pics though) but otherwise, for what it is, I'll settle. Needs ALOT of bondo work but like I said, needs to be fiberglassed before I can continue doing anything.
Really want to cut the eyes out to see how my vision will be...
Just to give you an idea of size, here's my buddy who's about 5'10"
Alright, well I finally had the chance to sit down and take some quality pics. Surprised that it didn't just break the camera to be honest. Though, I don't think the gf would like if I broke her expensive Cannon....
Anyways, here are some better pics. Considering the entire process leading up to this POS cast was my first time, I guess it could have been a lot worse. As you can see, there was some warping in the back section, mainly the dome. I already foresee a large financial investment in bondo. So here is the ugly duckling....
Re-attached the broken pieces...
Only a face a mother could barely love..
Look at that sexy seam line...and those curves!
So yea. I have my work cut out for me....