Discussion on Darktrooper Progress Thread 8MAR2011: Getting back to it within the Star Wars Costumes forum, part of the Star Wars Universe category; Originally Posted by GCNgamer128 Did you get the "Big Gaps"
Well, I just discoverd something very upsetting. The foam decided to expand a little more then it did before. Its not terrible, but its annoying. Basically, it just put a deformed bump on the top of the dome, which you'll see. Fortunatly, when it comes to adding the clay, I will be able to just sand it back to where it needs to be. But, none the less annoying...
Well, since I cant really do much with the helmet right now, I guess I'll continue what I started with the vac-form bucks. Im going to work on the shoulder bell and then I really want to fix up the bottom half of the forearm, because its too flat on the bottom, and I would really like to make the proper curve to conform to the arm.
So thats what Im going to do.
alrighty then. I got some done, but not as much as I wanted (because I have to wait)
For both the shoulder bell and bottom forearm piece, I had to "raise" it, by actually cutting some MDF scraps and gluing it to the top portion. The shoulder bell was just not tall enough to finish the peak of the curve, or it would have had an area on the top that was completly flat.
Same thing for the forearm piece. I had began sanding the forearm piece, and got most of it, but I realized that I didnt let the wood glue cure all the way, so Im going to wait till next time, same for the shoulder bell.
Now, for the FX-back piece. I cut off the greeblies that extend out (neatly though, so that I can keep and use them for whatever!) I then measured the inside of the box, which was 9"x 6 1/2", and cut a plywood rectangle and set it inside the box, and ran wood glue around the edges between the plastic and wood.
I know it sounds weird that im using the wood glue to hold this support plate in place, but I can say that it will hold. If you remember, I had actually glued that PVC pipe to that back piece helmet buck, and its still attached. I would say that buck is about 8-10lbs, roughly, and it was attached to a 3" diameter PVC, about 13" tall. I am able to hold that PVC pipe parallel to the ground with the buck on the other end, and it holds itself
Hey man keep up the good work, I just wanted to give you some extra encouragement. I really look forward to seeing more progress. What you are doing is going to be AMAZING!
As this is technically EU since its from a game, will the 501st approve it (when it's finished)?
But the original darktrooper is from Dark Forces, and the likenesses are off, but they both have alot of similarities.
You know what I saw the other day at I think a walmart? It was a pack of figures based off of the battlefront game! However, it was the droid combo pack. I am certainly hoping that they come out with the imperial pack too, because that will really, really, REALLY help me get it accepted!
Ah, I see what you are saying. Which Dark Forces was it in?
And if it can be sourced from the game AND a comic (which one, or do you not know offhand?) then it could be accepted??
Aw man, they made both the droid and clone sets....
Toy experts/researchers..do you know if they will be coming out with anymore battlefront 2 sets??? If so, I can bank my second source on this!!
As for the comic/book, I dont know which one it was in. The biggist thing is the likenesses of the DT, because between all the sources, they all have differences, and I dont know which they would accept.
Alright..well, I just made a desicion about how im going to complete this costume...I am no longer going to construct the entire suit on my own, but Im going to start gathering pieces to "frankenstien" it together...
I know others have wanted this in "kit" form, but I simply cannot stress over trying to build every last bit of it.
Now, I will of course build the custom pieces that I need, but everything else thats clone, I will try to get from makers.
I want to get this finished.
Oh. I hardly recall the first Dark Forces, it was so long ago.
Just searching on Wookieepedia.com I came up with this for the Phase II Dark Trooper: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imagearktrooper.jpg
I'm just throwing out a wild guess here, but what was seen in Battlefront would have been only the Phase I, right? Doesn't make sense, I'm getting confused with the timeframe they all took place in. I don't know, I'm confused now. Wouldn't even help you at all, would it?
Lemme throw forth the corectitude!
The phase 1 in dark forces: skinny skeleton with shield and sword, similar to the Mquarie concept stormtrooper
Phase 2 in dark forces, a little beefier, and looked more like a stormtrooper on steroids.
Phase 3, big *** droid/exo-power suit, seen once in the game, being worn by Rom Mohc.
For the battlefront DT, its actually a cross between a phase 2 and 3, clone and stormtrooper.
The similiarties are:
Helmet face is just like phase 2,
helmet swoop is also on phase 3
Jet Pack is very similar in shape as phase 3
Backplate without Jet Pack is TK
Ab plate is clone,
chest is custom, shoulders, forearms and biceps, shins, all custom
Belt is a clone, but with only the 2 front boxes and then thermal detonator canister on the back.
Cod/butt is clone, thighs are clone
Handplats are a custom/ROTJ TK handplates
Blaster, is an E-11 "arc caster," and a scout pistol side arm
Oh and thats a pic of the phase 3
Well, I will be getting some clone armor parts from OSCS, just the thighs, cod/butt, abb and kidney pieces. However, Im going to have to wait a bit before I can actually pay for that. I may have to wait till after dragon con. I dunno, Im going to order some sculpting clay right now. I think I will only need about 4 lbs, just because Im not going to need that much.
Ive been thinking all night about this project and Im starting to get really anxious about finishing it. Im going to set a deadline for finishing this suit by next dragon con, or sooner, I would really like to finish sooner. Since I am now going to be getting the clone pieces pre-made, I will just need to focus on the rest of the pieces and then cast them.
All I have left to construct myself is:
-Finish the shoulder bell
-finish the bottom half of the forearm, and put holes into the top side boxes of the forearm
-create the chest
-create the shins
-Make new handplates
So, just need to finish that list, and cast them and should be good to go
Alright, well I just spent a good 2 1/2 hours working on both the fore arm buck and the shoulder.
Im scrapping the shoulder buck, its just too inaccurate and beyond the point of no return for it's salvage. Im taking a different route with it in time.
The bottom forearm picece now looks as it should, with the proper curve, where it was once flat and looked wrong. All I need to do to finish that is just apply some bondo around the edges of where I had added the extra MDF scrap, so that it is completly smooth with the rest of it.
Thats all for today
Hmm..Im really starting to hate this expanding foam...
Its really screwing with the dome right now. Other then the bump it created, on the left side of it now, it has literally sunken in on itself..as if the foam is pulling it down. Its still fixable..I would just really need to use a good amount of bondo to get it back in shape.
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I personally would like to see the Battlefront DT come to the merchandise world? Unlike the Phase III; it looks like it holds true to stormtrooper look. Maybe you could start a list of names or find out how to submit something to Lucas for a Fans Choice 2008 action figure of BF DT or maybe even a Evolution serious of all four DTs. Phase I, II, II 1/2 (your build of BF DT) then III (the fig that is out there). Let me know, I would sign up for it??
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A 2-pack would be great, just like the comics. Is a comic considered a source? Any how; I took a stab at a RC bucket sculpt. Then I got one from Skygunbro instead. But here are some progress pictures before I scrapped it. The process wasn't really scuplting more like the Boba Fett cardboard deal then I rolled out clay and laid it on top of the cardboard. I am not a sculpter by any means. Check it out,
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The idea was to finish it in clay then do the smoot-on process to build molds. I hope this helps in your wip.
You did a pretty good job so far bro, keep at it, and you'll get it done!
Sorry I havent responded...Just went through a horrible break up with my ex...wont get into that..
Its all about money at this point..I just got commissioned to put together a FL garrison member's BKBT jango helmet, so I'll use that money for what I need for the helmet and for materials for helping getting the helmet done.
Hopefully should be able to purchase the clone armor pieces soon too, I know that will really put me ahead of where Im at now.
Just need time to myself for now. Thanks
Project on hold until further notice
I`ve been following your progress very closely.
I hope to see you back in it soon.
Hope everything is going alright Chris (the girl friend thing withstanding). We've all been following your progress this long and will still be following it when your able to get back to it. My mando threat still stands though , so don't quit on us. Hope everything starts picking up for the better for you Vod.
Have a good one,
Sorry guys, its not over, I just need to put it on hold. I was just laid off yesterday, and that was honestly the last thing I needed. These have been the two hardest months of my life to be completly honest so far.
Despite not really having much funds to get what I'd really like to, to help move this along, I decided to try and do some prep work on the helmet, since it's just been sitting there with a giant bump on its dome.
I couldnt sand it off, it was just too soft with the FG and the foam, so I litterally cut it off with a knife, and it's now my Bondo Baby. Covered the top of the dome, and going to work from there. I did sand areas that *should* be round realistically, but not on the game model.
That piece of yellow material on the bottom left corner, next to the file, is the bump/slice I cut off
Man good luck with this build. It looks so difficult and your doing a really good job I can't wait to see it finished.
Good luck Chris, I'm in Bondo heaven as we speak with my bucket...man that stuff stinks!
Hmm...just sanded down the dome..naturally, the bondo is not level, especially after sanding. It helped in getting the right "shape" but Im going to have to rely on the clay to smooth and level it out completly
*sigh* more waiting....
Well, with a little mix of insomnia and compulsive actions, I started clay work on the helmet. This is a brand thats meant for sculpting and also works with silicone molding, so I figure this should work out in the long run. This is really my first time using clay (except as a toddler now lol) so Im really learning as I go. I seem to get the general shape, but my biggest issue, is making it all really smooth, the way I need it. Also, certain spots, the clay will cling onto the tools and no matter how careful I am at tryin to smooth those areas, it will just come right off, leaving a "hole" in the clay.
Thats it really. I only had enough for the dome as of right now, even then, as you can see in the 2nd pic, that the left side is lower then the right. Thats caused by that "sinkhole" that was created by the expanding foam. I need to get more clay in order to fill it in a bit more.
roma plastilina clay? or something else
I've used acetone and a brush to smooth modeling clay before. Don't know if that would work with your clay but I might be worth giving a shot.
says that it never hardens and is permanantly plyable
Just a little progress is better than no progress! Keep it up!
Rubbing alchohol works fine, just pour a little either on the clay part or your hands and rub it smooth. It evaporates after it dries so you can easily mold it.
Yeah..yeah it looks good....but I want to know
what about the "tuba"?...why no more "tuba"?
sorry for the dbl post
I am reading "True Colors"(good book FYI) and it threw me off not to see your old avatar.Your new avatar looks nice 8)
Progress is looking good so far! And those pesky Christina Aguilera monsters are a nuisance...
Oh, and as far as sources for the darktrooper, they did make an 30th anniversary figure, the ones with the coins. So there's your other source! Yay!
Nice to see you back into the project. A lot of 501st people are still watching this thread with great interest.
Keep up the good work.
:eek Thanks JK3!
Anyways, I figured out how I am going to finish up the jump jet pack, I dont understand why my tiny brain couldnt figure it out any sooner. Im going to fiberglass the interior of the thing, make it solid all around, and reinforce connection points where the hotglue is.
For the thruster housing, instead of just trying to find a cone shape cup/object, Im going to form a ribbed series of semi-circles, starting with the largest at the top, proceeding down in size to the bottom part, where the nozzles will connect to. After the ribbs are in place, I'll take a styrene sheet and a heat gun, wrap it over and form it.
Did this for making a 1:1 scale horse prop at my school's theater, cant belive I forgot about this.
I think you should make a mold of the jet pack as it is and make the fiberglass copies from that.
Then you would have a sturdy pack you could reproduce to fund your project and wouldn't have to worry about destroying your original positive.
just a thought
However, there might need to be a point in time when I will have to replace the JP regardless. Ive started to notice that connection points where I used the hotglue, is starting to become seperated and no longer as strong as it once was. I will give it a thought. The silicone molding material is very expensive, and Ive been thinking about molding and casting, in fiberglass or plastic resin, the chest piece.
In all honesty, my vac-former has not been doing well as far as collecting dust in our garage, and I would pretty much have to reconstruct more then 75% of it, tweak it out and build a whole new platen in the process. I can do this later on in the future, but I really want to keep the funds towards getting the suit done. I can always upgrade later if it is sub-par IMO.
I'll consider the JP idea, though, help funding the project, Im not really sure who'd want a darktrooper JP lol
Hey Chris, How is modeling clay workin. I know when I worked on my RC bucket, I would get my tools or hands wet to smooth out the clay, Any other little imperfections can be taken care of when it dries. You just have to keep covering it with plastic. Like actually get a plstic bag and wet done the clay and stick the bag on it so it will not dry out until you want it dry. Then I double bag it. So incase the plastic comes off it isn't drying out on me. Looks good.
I have been lookin at my FX and I think I might cut this up to do a DT. If I do I will definitely send ya pics. I want to see you finish this thing. I have always wanted to build a DT myself. Keep at it MAN.
I honestly havent tried any of the clay smoothing techniques yet, but I will take into consideration your method!
Good luck using the FX helmet. After making the pep helmet, and comparing it to the FX, you could see alot of differences in appearence. You'd have to completly cut up and re-do the face if you want to make it somewhat accurate.
Im currently at the moment learning how to convert the shoulder bells, chest and shin/calf armor into pep so I can use as either a guide or use to make molds!
Alrighty then. With help from a 405th member, I learned how to convert the 3D model into pepakura! This will help making the rest of the armor easier for me. What I did was first do the shoulder bells. I decided to spend some time, and make a minature shoulder bell, the right one if your looking at the front of it. Not 100% perfect, but small stuff is hard to build if you have huge hand/fingers rofl.
Its hard to make out, but this is the best angle to really recognize it. You can see how much the model looks without smoothing.
I just need to figure out the scaling thing. I am only guessing, but I printed these out without modifying anything, and would venture to say its scaled for probably a 12 inch tall figure
just isolated the chest piece
Well, I couldnt wait, so I decided to put this together. I think it came out pretty well. Ive decided that Im going to be molding the armor pieces that I make myself, and cast in a plastic resin. Of course, I'll be adding bondo and or clay before to make it all smooth!
Cripe, I just compared the size next to the helmet, and compared it next the the 3d model. I will have to increase it's size a bit to make it proportional. Plus, I felt it is a bit snug. I just need to figure out the proper proportions. I really dont want to re-do the helmet, after getting this far with it
Looking like progress to me! Keep up the work man, don't give up! We're all rootin' for ya!
*sigh* Got 26 pages of cardstock. Resized the chest piece from 14 1/4 inches, to 20 inches. Be back in the future
Alright. Just finished assembling this sucker. No other word I can say about this, then that its huge, but i fits in the sense that it falls into place where it should. I'll get a pic of it on me sometime..lol
Very nice bro! Looks a lot less like a bra, or in your case, a bro.
Here it is on me. Ignore my face
I have these up for comparison, to show how it should 'look' with everything else
The actual pep appears wider on me because it's not secured in anyway. It actually extends a bit around, and is supposed to be a bit more tight around me then it is.
Now, is that extracted from the game model as well? Or did you get a TK Pep model and modify it?
Well, this involves alot of thinking as well as money, but I can only type my thoughts. *sigh* I feel Ive wasted alot of time working and building parts, then actually getting results.
Ive decided now that Im going to not use the FX TK backpiece that I had begun to modify. This is because after making the chest piece, it's just too small and will look really off.
The Jump jet pack, I will now be redoing, making out of Pep, clay and mold
The shoulders and shins will follow in the same process as I already decided. I just need to build, fiberglass, fiberglass, and some more fibgerglassing with a touch of silicone molding....
This thread is awesome.
that's huge! Do you think you might have any problem lowering your arms to your sides with the chest piece being that big?
Bah, I cant seem to decide on anything in regards to doing this armor. Right now, I really want to get this suit finished by next dragoncon, but the reality of molding it is really a far stretch at the current rate I am going right now.
Ive been giving it alot of thought today, and Im thinking about just fiberglassing and bondoing the **** out of it, shape it, and use it for the final piece. I would do this for all the pieces that I'd need to make out of pep, but I'll still mold the helmet.
Just right now in between deciding.
Oh yea, apparently polyurethane is like 3 times cheaper the silicone, but I have no idea about that at the moment....kinda my random thought of the day...
Building me a backplate as we speak. Cant use the FX, it's just too small and will look bad :ugh: I really need to watch what I spend my money on for this....
Back plae/piece/armor/thingy is done. Matches the height with the chest, so its all proportioned evenly. I think it came out pretty well for what it is as of right now. Here are some pics:
The armor is supposed to lay just like the TK chest/back is, where it is seperate, where as a clone is connected at the sides. In this pic, is was hard to get a decent shot on my own, so thats why it looks 'off.'
One thing that Ive been doing lately has been volunteering at the FSU Master Craftsman studio-they do all the primary artwork you see around the campus, as well as America's 3rd largest stain glass window on Doak Campbell stadium. Well, Ive been talking to a few of the guys that work there about molding this, and they've been telling me that there are ALOT of various ways to mold something like this, for alot cheaper then the methods that I have been *Thinking* of using.
Ive been throwing around the idea of using plaster, so I can at least get a good cast for myself at this point, but I'll be talking further with them hopefully. So thats what's going on. LOL learned how to put on a mother mold today over a bust, but they used this polyurethane gel like material that burned like napalm if you got it on your skin.
you're going to look gigantic when you get all that armor made proportionately. This build is one of the coolest that I have ever seen
If your going to do a body cast, you'll need to use alginate and plaster (mother mold), or Silicone (best choice) and use fibreglass (Mother mold) it will expensive. I've looked into it to make my master chief armour.
I've read that Poeple have lost fingers trying to do a cast of their hand using plaster. Personnel I would go with the silicone. You still going to need a couple of people to help you with it.
Or the Duct tape method! Cheapest by far!
You can also contact Skupilkinson here at TDH and comission him to make Pepakura file for you. His rates are very reasonable, but it may take some time he's abit busy at the moment.
Please don't hesitate to PM me if you have any questions
Thank you for your suggestions! I have been thinking about it, and since Im on a tight budget, I'd go with the ducktape method. Im not necessarily in a rush for one at the moment. lol yea, everything is expensive..
Oh BTW, my scratchbuilt jump jet pack is too small
Look what I just found, star wars mini's for the Force Unleashed. Look familiar?
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I've read all 7 pages of this thread ... And all I have to say is .....Tuba just keep up the good work and have fun
dude. getting back on track again i see. chest looks awesome. too bad you aren't closer i'd love to help you with this stuff since we are the same size
As for my vac-form molds, the forearms and biceps, I will not be forming them myself, as I do not have the necessary funds at the moment to overhaul and upgrade my former, despite having built it for this project. However, I will soon be making a trip to a FL garrison member's place where he will be able to cast my molds in black ABS plastic, which is what I really want, and will match the clone armor pieces later on. So that's whats going on with those.
Keep it up dude.
Let us know when you find out more about the Purge Trooper from TFU too! I'll let you know if I find a pic online so you can compare that model, to the one from BFII. Since I can't take screen grabs off my 360, I'll just wait to check wookieepedia for updates to the purge trooper page.
Seriously man thats looking great. The proportion seems pretty "on" to me. Keep it up! Just keep on foldin'!
Scale your height to the Clone Trooper model you have. Then scale the templates from there. Problem solved.
Fortunatly, I feel that the proportions are correct so far for what I have. Im just a little upset now that the JP ive been building is actually too small :ugh:
Then scale your leg to the model's leg, torso to torso, arm to arm. Mathematically, it works. Also, you could just stretch the model to your proportions, I don't know how much you know about 3D animation or 3D studio.
I am not very knowledgable about 3DSmax, other then the basic features that I need to know to get it into pep.
I have a sony that can freeze caps and send them to memory card, if I get off my rear and play the game, ill take a screen shot when I get to it.
I dont remember them in the book, but I dont think there was a mando in the TFU book either, but they are definitally in the game. So ill let you know.
Bah, I know that the darktrooper is not in TFU, but it clearly references "the darktrooper project" as the source for the Purge Troopers.
After finding that SW mini, Ive started to build my argument about getting A darktrooper accepted into the 501st. Sent a PM to the FL garrison's GML, which I'll post my main argument from that PM, because it outlines how I feel:
Ive been having this kind of debate with others lately, and as you know, Im working this suit. The issue is whether or not, although EU, a Darktrooper can be accepted into the 501st, and after that, which version, if not, both.
The thing with the references, is that the one true darktrooper appeared in "Dark Forces," the PC game, but then followed up by an actual action figure. Thats however two visual references-no third based on that image. (the argument of wether it's a droid or not, the phase three in the game, the commonly known version that is, is a "power suit" worn by the main character/enemy)
Dark Forces Phase Three "power suit"
Then we get to the comic, "Sand Blasted" from "Star Wars tales #4" in which the DT appears again, however, the appearence *resembles* that of the phase three from Dark Forces, but is non-canonical in relation.
"Sand Blasted" Darktrooper:
The next visual reference, from which I am basing my project on, is from the SW BattleFront series. Although, non-canonical to dark forces, it's still labled as one. Recently, I came across a mini "darktrooper" figure from the "force unleashed" SW Mini's pack, which clearly resembles the battlefront version, with just slight differences.
SW BattleFront darktrooper:
SW Mini's "force unleashed" pack darktrooper:
So the main point about this suit, in regards to getting it approved, is just that there is just a huge grey area, visually speaking. There is not one version that has 3 "canonical" appearences, abiding to the 3 reference source rule for acceptance, but at the same time, has more then 3 references, so it's like "okay, now which one??"
Im not necessarily saying that the one Im working on should be accepted, but I feel that if the DT is allowed, that it should be at least the Dark Forces version, being the first time ever appearing.
So yea, thats how I feel lol Just gotta see where it goes I guess
Oh boy, I dont know what I got myself into..
I added more clay to try to level out the dome
lol this takes awhile to put on
Making the tentative CRL for the darktrooper to get approved by the spec ops detachment
Just some pics of the helmet sculpt progress. I think it's actually starting to shape up a bit. Just need to try out the various smoothing techniques, and I'll be good to go from there.
In this, I started the face, added some rough details, such as under the eyes, the teeth, and really worked on the ears tonight as well
Heres some more nightly progress. I started smoothing out the clay a bit. Its not where I want it, but it's alot better then before. Seems to work best with water and sponges.
The amount of work you've put into this is staggering. Awesome dedication and results!
Coming along nicely! Keep it up, man!
Thanks guys, I appreciate it!
I couldnt sleep, so I did a bit more work, trying to detail and shape the left eye, and giving the "overlap" detail, thats present on stormtrooper helmets. I also started building up the upper nose area, between the eyes. The tear drop is just there, a rough version. Im hesitant to cut out the lower chin piece until I really have to.
I say put the lump in the eye, like other Trooper helmets have.
Looking great Chris, keep up the good work!
Im not sure yet if I'll make it bubble or just keep it flat. If I do bubble, I'll probably sculpt a set of lenses, mold it and make hard resin bucks to vac-form over, hopefully, be able to find a good color PETG or acrylic sheets to use.
Some more progress on the sculpt. Man, I tell ya, once I started today, I just lost track of time! lol
Im using my FX faceplate as a reference for how it *should* look. I gave one side the correct depth, that is present on TK helmets. I also started to shape up the mouth or "grin" as well. These pics are at certain angles to show you those details.
I also found a somewhat good smoothing technique, using a flat piece of styrene plastic..however, its very difficult lol You can see, I used it for the newer sections, and I feel that I will leave those smooth sections alone unitl molding.
Wow, I'm absolutly loving that, enspecialy the pepkura chest/back. I've never fully understood it, but man, it came out awsome!
starting to look really good tuba. after you sold me that fixerupper boba helmet and i restored it a while back, you said you "couldn't have gotten it done yourself" i dont believe you after seing this. i cant wait to see the finished helmet.