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  1. Untried Hunter's Avatar
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    Feb 3, 2007, 11:41 PM - Re: Traditional Vs Imagination #26

    I guess since im the one that started the thread,i should post my opinion.
    I think that every custom is fantastic.
    Whether it be the fantastic basic armor most do,the revamped armor made by
    big fett daddy,or darth valcars complete redesign,they are all great.


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    Feb 4, 2007, 1:10 AM - Re: Traditional Vs Imagination #27

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    That being said, I dont think you can beat a well crafted, expertly done Boba or Jango Fett. No insult meant, as I dont own either, but they speak mastery when you see them at a con or event. Even more so when the wearer has the character well rehearsed.

    I disagree. A custom Mando that looks like it could be in a movie beats that because you don't have forums telling you what colours to use, what accessories to get, etc. You have to kind of think up a backstory to make it seem realistic, and you have to add all your own pieces in addition to the imagination you have to have.
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    Feb 4, 2007, 10:34 AM - Re: Traditional Vs Imagination #28

    I appreciate your opinion, in kind I would say look at the very forum you are posting on. The Dented Helmet is not a regime organized to force you to have certain colors, they are living the same fantasy as you, only on canon costumes. Honestly, without Boba first, then Jango we are nothing. Thats not meant to sound arrogant.

    I would actually say thanks to the TDH for letting us have the space to share our customs and gleem from the work they have done. No flaming meant, just something to think about.
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    Feb 4, 2007, 12:06 PM - Re: Traditional Vs Imagination #29

    Well, does it really matter? I mean its all star wars. At least their not merging mandos with star trek for god's sake...

    -tubachris
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    Feb 4, 2007, 1:19 PM - Re: Traditional Vs Imagination #30

    I'm with the guys who like the "assembly line" look. It's sort of like Special Forces soldiers in my opinion. The all wear the same uniform/armor/gear/etc, but each guy makes his own special modifications to suit HIS particular needs and preferences. Some guys might prefer a thigh holster to keep their backup weapon, others a waistband holster, others a vest-mounted holster, etc. But in the end, they are pretty much identical in appearance.

    I dont think there is anything wrong with using some artistic license while building your Mandolorian, but at the same time, when Mandos start looking more and more like Master Chief or a Transformer, I think the "personalization" has gone a little too far.
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    Feb 4, 2007, 2:15 PM - Re: Traditional Vs Imagination #31

    At least their not merging mandos with star trek for god's sake...
    Crossovers can be cool if they are done right. Most people don't.

    This is a cool thread. Its nice to hear how passionate people are about Mando and costuming.

    ~Mel
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    Feb 4, 2007, 10:14 PM - Re: Traditional Vs Imagination #32

    its kinda nice ta c what others think about our passion/hobby what ever you may call it so i agree with thebiggunns also i saw ure pred queen at the lair im excited ta c what you do with a mandalorian
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    Feb 5, 2007, 9:48 AM - Re: Traditional Vs Imagination #33

    According to the article about Mandalorian culture in Star Wars Insider, the Mandalorian armor was something that was perfected over centuries. Who is to say what it looked like in its infancy. I mean, look at these:

    NONE of these look like Boba/Jango, but they have the Boba/Jango feel to them. I think that as long as the custom has the style of Boba or Jango and looks Mandalorian, it is ok. However, the creativity of the maker of the armor is the limit, really. Maybe later in the history of the Mandalorians, the armor became more cookie cutter as they refined their gauntlets and whatnot. Who knows. Just don't say they all have to be the same.
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    Feb 5, 2007, 10:03 AM - Re: Traditional Vs Imagination #34

    You have a point, however the only one of the above that has the "Boba/Jango feel" is the third one.
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    Feb 5, 2007, 4:16 PM - Re: Traditional Vs Imagination #35

    Quote BobaFettDaddy said: View Post
    According to the article about Mandalorian culture in Star Wars Insider, the Mandalorian armor was something that was perfected over centuries. Who is to say what it looked like in its infancy. I mean, look at these:

    NONE of these look like Boba/Jango, but they have the Boba/Jango feel to them. I think that as long as the custom has the style of Boba or Jango and looks Mandalorian, it is ok. However, the creativity of the maker of the armor is the limit, really. Maybe later in the history of the Mandalorians, the armor became more cookie cutter as they refined their gauntlets and whatnot. Who knows. Just don't say they all have to be the same.

    None of those look like Boba or Jango because of the time period. The first? Ancient Mandalorians, thousands of years before ANH. The second? Neo-Crusaders (which dont really have a Boba/Jango feel; rather, they have an Imperial Guard look), about 4,000 years before ANH. The third? Death Watch, a group that splintered from the true Mandalorians, and fashioned their own helmets so as not to be associated with the true Mandalorians. Even then, their gauntlets are virtually the same as Boba's.
    Sure, they dont all have to be the same... but they dont all have to be different in a glaringly obvious way, either. Making a Mandalorian costume, and having others not mistake it for Master Chief or a Cylon, relies heavily upon symbolism. After all, you make this costume to show it off, right? What good is it to show off a Mandalorian costume if nobody has any idea what you are? There's nothing worse than walking around in a costume from Star Wars and having someone ask if you're from Battlestar Galactica or Farscape. In order to avoid this, you'd want your custom Mandalorian to represent the well-known Mandos in the movies, which people will then recognize.
    Now, why are the gauntlets usually the same? Simple: it's cost-effective. It's difficult for amateurs to create completely custom gauntlets, especially if said-amateur is in college, with tuition costs and rent. Not to mention the hundreds of dollars that go into buying books for class. People like that (myself included) do not have the spare cash to buy clay and create molds, buy the material and assemble a vaccuuform table, and then buy the plastic on top of it all. Then they have to find the time to make it; not easy for a full-time college student who also has a part-time job. They'd have to do all of this just to get a quality pair of unique gauntlets when it'd be cheaper and more convenient just to purchase a normal pair (which will most likely be of better quality).
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    Feb 5, 2007, 5:21 PM - Re: Traditional Vs Imagination #36

    Originally posted by Boba_Fett_03

    It's difficult for amateurs to create completely custom gauntlets, especially if said-amateur is in college, with tuition costs and rent. Not to mention the hundreds of dollars that go into buying books for class. People like that (myself included) do not have the spare cash to buy clay and create molds, buy the material and assemble a vaccuuform table, and then buy the plastic on top of it all. Then they have to find the time to make it; not easy for a full-time college student who also has a part-time job. They'd have to do all of this just to get a quality pair of unique gauntlets when it'd be cheaper and more convenient just to purchase a normal pair (which will most likely be of better quality).
    Dude. I completely understand. I am a high school English teacher with 4 kids and a wife who chooses to be a homemaker. I scratchbuilt my gauntlets from sintra pvc, odds and ends from Radio Shack and bondo, but they still cost 1/4 of what some of these guys are charging for premade gauntlets online. My custom scratch built Mando (I scratch built the bucket, too) cost a total of $500. That's pretty cheap when you think about how much some of us on here have thrown into theirs. My dear mother (who complained most of the time) stitched together all of the soft parts for it. My boots are from Payless, my gloves are from Home Depot, etc.

    I still don't see how an ancient Mandalorian (like mine) can't have a machine gun gauntlet or to be more direct, a slugthrower gauntlet. And also, two missiles on the left gauntlet are better than one, especially if you can guide them in with your helmet laser (like some of the laser guided missiles of our era). I think a whole host of costumes which show the evolution of the Mandalorian armor over the millennia are great. We could have all of us stand in a row and have a picture taken similar to the "evolution of man" picture, except it would be the "evolution of the Mandalorian" That would be fun. Don't dis us for building Mandos with some imagination behind it. Mine and several others like me have our backstory, and that adds to the complexity of the Star Wars universe.

    Most people call us Power Rangers anyway, Boba, Jango or Custom. It doesn't matter.
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    Feb 5, 2007, 5:30 PM - Re: Traditional Vs Imagination #37

    Quote BobaFettDaddy said: View Post
    According to the article about Mandalorian culture in Star Wars Insider, the Mandalorian armor was something that was perfected over centuries. Who is to say what it looked like in its infancy. I mean, look at these:

    NONE of these look like Boba/Jango, but they have the Boba/Jango feel to them. I think that as long as the custom has the style of Boba or Jango and looks Mandalorian, it is ok. However, the creativity of the maker of the armor is the limit, really. Maybe later in the history of the Mandalorians, the armor became more cookie cutter as they refined their gauntlets and whatnot. Who knows. Just don't say they all have to be the same.
    As already stated, these images show armour from a time looooooooooooong before Boba and Jango, as are the examples taken from the KOTOR comics (over 4000 years before to be exact). Whilst come the time of the movies, there would be variation in equipment, colour, weapons, trophies and the odd nod to fashion, (as described in many canon sources, from Bloodlines to A Practical Man, Open Seasons to the Jodo Kast tales) much of the armour would be similar if not identical. Even the Deathwatch wear the same basic armour, except for (in the Open Season's source only) the helmet.

    Now I have no problem with those that wish to take a further step away from the established canon regarding Mandalorians and their armour. Many create some very impressive armour indeed BUT and it's a HUGE BUT it's no more valid as someone that chooses to make only minor modifications or a change in colour.
    And remember that it's soon gonna lose some of it's shine if you end up arguing with every person you meet on a troop if they can't tell your even from Star Wars let alone a Mando.
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    Feb 5, 2007, 6:37 PM - Re: Traditional Vs Imagination #38

    Quote BobaFettDaddy said: View Post
    Dude. I completely understand. I am a high school English teacher with 4 kids and a wife who chooses to be a homemaker. I scratchbuilt my gauntlets from sintra pvc, odds and ends from Radio Shack and bondo, but they still cost 1/4 of what some of these guys are charging for premade gauntlets online. My custom scratch built Mando (I scratch built the bucket, too) cost a total of $500. That's pretty cheap when you think about how much some of us on here have thrown into theirs. My dear mother (who complained most of the time) stitched together all of the soft parts for it. My boots are from Payless, my gloves are from Home Depot, etc.

    I still don't see how an ancient Mandalorian (like mine) can't have a machine gun gauntlet or to be more direct, a slugthrower gauntlet. And also, two missiles on the left gauntlet are better than one, especially if you can guide them in with your helmet laser (like some of the laser guided missiles of our era). I think a whole host of costumes which show the evolution of the Mandalorian armor over the millennia are great. We could have all of us stand in a row and have a picture taken similar to the "evolution of man" picture, except it would be the "evolution of the Mandalorian" That would be fun. Don't dis us for building Mandos with some imagination behind it. Mine and several others like me have our backstory, and that adds to the complexity of the Star Wars universe.

    Most people call us Power Rangers anyway, Boba, Jango or Custom. It doesn't matter.

    This is yours, correct? Your gauntlets have the same basic outline/design as Boba/Jango gauntlets, with just a few different odds and ends. Hence, you are proving my point.
    When you say you spent about $500, what are you including? Everything, including the weapons, switches, belts? The most expensive parts on my armor are the gauntlets, which cost me about $150 (more or less). My entire costume has cost me about $370.

    I am not "dissing" what you've done. Im defending what you're attempting to belittle. My point is that nothing is wrong with either design; eleborate, or regular. Both take a lot of time, blood, and sweat to create. Belittling either one is an insult to anyone who's put work into making one. Nobody ever said that your ancient Mando (which looks more like a modern one than anything, btw) can't use a gattling gun or slug thrower on your gauntlet; hell, we've got Mandos here who put lightsaber blades on theirs. Go nuts; make your Mando what you want it to be, but please do not step up and belittle the time and effort of others who enjoy this hobby.
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    Feb 5, 2007, 10:35 PM - Re: Traditional Vs Imagination #39

    Uh oh someone better go find a ruler.....

    I think both sides are right in some regards, but I can definately see where the Mando "purists" would complain when Master Chief or Power Ranger-esque Mandolorians come onto the scene saying they are an "evolution" of the traditional design. This thread was meant to discuss not argue, and so far its pretty interesting, so lets keep it civil so they wont shut it down.
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    Feb 5, 2007, 11:19 PM - Re: Traditional Vs Imagination #40

    There is a difference between custom and sintra armor over sweat pants and sweatshirt.

    For every good custom mando i see 10 bad ones.

    I really do enjoy seeing the result when someone pulls off their own design or one of the ancient Mandalorians from KOTOR or other EU material, but it takes a lot of talent and time. Since most parts for customs aren't readily available, people have to make them. Some people take the extra step, and some people fall short and it shows.

    The first problem is the helmet. It should be relatively simple to alter the rangefinder and fill the dent (not all mandos are going to have the same dent). Also, you don't have to start with a Boba bucket. Starting with a BKBT helm gives you a clean start to alter the helmet. Next the armor, if you can't make molds or pieces of your own at least alter the armor you buy instead of just changing the paint scheme. Maybe accent the edges or add stuff to the armor. You could change a lot around with the gauntlets and knees. Even the jet pack could have a different rocket.

    People are able to pull off prepro fetts, jaster mareel, and jodo kast. So making parts for a custom mando while using jango or boba parts to start with is possible

    All in all I like what some people are able to do, but most people are going to recognize Boba and Jango and I feel a stronger connection with those two characters.

    unconverted rubies are also a custom killer (it just looks bad)

    -=QuinN!
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    Feb 6, 2007, 12:21 AM - Re: Traditional Vs Imagination #41

    Quote CombatBaby said: View Post
    unconverted rubies are also a custom killer (it just looks bad)
    What exactly do you mean?
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    Feb 6, 2007, 12:26 AM - Re: Traditional Vs Imagination #42

    I think he means rubies that still have the stock visor in them

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    Feb 6, 2007, 12:32 AM - Re: Traditional Vs Imagination #43

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    I think he means rubies that still have the stock visor in them

    Correct, that helmet looks a ton better when you take the time to cut that silly plastic off and put a full visor in it.

    You can get them a lot of places for $12 shipped so it's a great investment.
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    Feb 6, 2007, 12:36 AM - Re: Traditional Vs Imagination #44

    I think he is saying the Rubies buckets are ugly. In my opinion they are, they are just funny shaped and too small.

    I agree with CombatBaby. None of my posts are meant as a diss to a custom. I think to make my point, I can will say it as clear as I can.

    A lot of the custom mandos out there look bad. They look uncompleted or just half-done. Thats what I meant by weather the jumpsuit. Dont wear sweats, get something different than hiking or work boots. When you have something as obvious as brand spanking new hiking boots, it pulls the audience back in from the fantasy of the character from a different universe right back to normal when they recognize those boots, or sweats, or whatever. Think things through. Its not about how much you have to spend, its about being judicious.

    Well thought-out, great executed ideas with some labor shine through.
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    Feb 6, 2007, 12:45 AM - Re: Traditional Vs Imagination #45

    Quote CombatBaby said: View Post
    Correct, that helmet looks a ton better when you take the time to cut that silly plastic off and put a full visor in it.

    You can get them a lot of places for $12 shipped so it's a great investment.
    Ok, I thought you might be talking about Rubies that, for the most psrt, only get repainted. I agree, if you leave the stock visor/lens it does take away from the overall look.
    Someone looked at my unfinished desert helmet (it still has the molded plastic in for now) and suggested that I might cover it with something like a respirator since the desert can be harsh. I thought about it but I desided to cut it out all the way when I install my lens.
    I have seen helmets that don't have a full t-visor but have been modded and look great, Phantom Viper and BH1378 come to mind.
  21. Feb 6, 2007, 12:56 AM - Re: Traditional Vs Imagination #46

    Another thing that really irks me is firearms. What I mean is when people just buy a cheap softair or chinese airsoft clone that look like rubbish. Also when people just look at a gun and think it looks futuristic enough, examples being the FAMAS, Aug, P90. I understand that there isnt alot of choices out there for guns that seem to fit the SW galaxy but atleast try and modify the gun more than just putting a BSA reddot on it.
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    Feb 6, 2007, 7:57 AM - Re: Traditional Vs Imagination #47

    Rubies helmets are a drag. My Boba (first costume ever) was done up with a repainted Jango that I drilled a dent into and redid the visor. I'm still not happy with it. It's too small. This is why I decided to build my own bucket when I did the custom. Believe it or not my nose isn't pressing up against the inside of the visor. I have about a 1.5" clearance now. My firearms for the custom I built (and I'm waiting on leather holsters that a friend of mine is making for me) are two nerf pistols with the red laser effect just beneath the barrel. I removed the stick that stuck out of the back of the gun which is used to cock it and then did some modification to make it look more like a gun. And here is the finished result:
    [IMG][/IMG]
    I haven't seen anyone wear sweats under their beskar'gam. Who does that?
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    Feb 6, 2007, 8:30 AM - Re: Traditional Vs Imagination #48

    I gotta tell you, as a newbie, if I knew there was this much whining and arguing in the costuming world, I'd have stayed with the fanboy jerks who ramble on for four hours about insignificant **** like Picard vs Kirk. You guys certainly can suck the FUN out of this. It's a friggin Halloween costume that we geeks put on when it's not Halloween. If some people are more talented than others, who cares?

    My personal pet peeve, and I see it among some of the 'best' of you, is the slap-dash "Look at me uncontrollably rub silver paint on my armor to weather it!" look without any regard as to how paint actually chips or wears. But I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch over it or confront the guy at a con and say 'You suck!' because he still busted his rear end to get the costume to look that good.
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    Feb 6, 2007, 8:31 AM - Re: Traditional Vs Imagination #49

    Quote BobaFettDaddy said: View Post
    My firearms for the custom I built (and I'm waiting on leather holsters that a friend of mine is making for me) are two nerf pistols with the red laser effect just beneath the barrel. I removed the stick that stuck out of the back of the gun which is used to cock it and then did some modification to make it look more like a gun. And here is the finished result:
    [IMG][/IMG]
    Welcome to the PM10 Series family of blasters (as they've become known), you'll find those pistols are the mainstay of many a Mando! (Any one know how I can get shares in Nerf? ) I'd suggest removing the nerf lugs from underneath if you want to be able to draw them smoothly from holsters. The same goes for the tabs on the side of the laser.
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    Feb 6, 2007, 12:46 PM - Re: Traditional Vs Imagination #50

    This is a Rubies that I touched up in under 2 hours in my garage with spraypaint only. Its far from a masterpiece, but for someone with a small budget and an even smaller interest in 'trooping', it does the job just fine. Not to mention it looks better than alot of the "custom" jobs I've seen that began as nicer helmets in the first place.
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