Hey hey.
I was wondering, is it possible to make a SW style sword that can be used against master replica's/other lightsabers... the material selection that is, so it would not break?
Has anyone done this before?
Thanks.
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Hey hey.
I was wondering, is it possible to make a SW style sword that can be used against master replica's/other lightsabers... the material selection that is, so it would not break?
Has anyone done this before?
Thanks.
It might be possible if you were to use a perspecs plastic. Its a clear plastic and very hard and you can sand it also. If needed you could prime it and spary it any colour you like. I was going to make a Vibro Blade using it, but never got round to it. Hope that helps...
It would need a full-tang spring steel core inside it to keep from breaking under the stress. Hard plastics are strong, but it will break under the weight and force of being swung. The plastic is very dense, and will want to keep the momentum, since it isn't very flexible, it will break rather than flex. With a steel core (even a thin one), the plastic will have enough rigidity to overcome the momentum problems. The last 6 inches or so should be hollowed to keep the weight toward the hilt.
There is also an instructable for the led chain here http://www.instructables.com/id/E5T8SENAFMEP286RG7/
Thanks a lot guys!
Would be cool to be able to fence with a lightsaber carrying Jedi using a sword
Just make sure you round off the edge. Besides a safety procaution, it would also be nice so it doesn't damage the lightsaber blade
Do you mean Vibroblades or Lightsabers?
Vibroblades, swords, Beskade, electro-staffs.. everything that's canonized to be able to block sabers, so one can carry a sword and fence off with Jedi mates, without using a lightsaber... I'm into that on lightning speed, haha!
- Decided to provide a list of swords and functions with in-universe info on them -
Info on materials that can resist a lightsaber blade:
* Cortosis
* Beskar (Mandalorian Iron)
* Phrik
Info on swords and blades:
* Vibroweapons
* Sword
* Electrostaff
- Ok, maybe you have read this and such... but hey, we all have lazy and bored days... I had one of the bored one's today-
Thanks for the advices, and will do torag
Yeah in SW a Lightsaber can cut through anything but another saber.Originally Posted by Sarim Thiri
Thanks a lot guys!
Would be cool to be able to fence with a lightsaber carrying Jedi using a sword
But you don't see me going to Ren Faires and fence people with my Luxeon.
EU needs to stay out of the things already made into the SW universe.Vibroblades, swords, Beskade, electro-staffs.. everything that's canonized to be able to block sabers, so one can carry a sword and fence off with Jedi mates, without using a lightsaber... I'm into that on lightning speed, haha!
- Decided to provide a list of swords and functions with in-universe info on them -
Info on materials that can resist a lightsaber blade:
* Cortosis
* Beskar (Mandalorian Iron)
* Phrik
Info on swords and blades:
* Vibroweapons
* Sword
* Electrostaff
- Ok, maybe you have read this and such... but hey, we all have lazy and bored days... I had one of the bored one's today
Thanks for the advices, and will do torag
Sabers can cut through anything, but another saber, and that is how it should have stayed.
A metal can't withstand it, just some comic book author decided to make something up and now it is "canon"
Remember the guards from revenge of the sith?
Yeah, but it's LFL approved canon. We've also never seen a lightsaber cut through mandalorian armor in the films, only in the areas NOT covered by armor.
LFL doesn't approve anything that conflicts with established information from the movies. And it isn't mentioned anywhere that lightsabers can cut through anything, that would be just like saying Jedi were invincible... and what's the fun in that? Every single faction/being must have a weakness, or something to equalize at the very least.
And note that not all swords/mandalorian armours are lightsaber resistant, only those made from the rare materials cortosis, beskar or phrik.
Boba Fett doesn't wear a true beskar'gam (armour), he wears one made from duraplast, but as known - Boba isn't a mandalorian (at least not until later on).
I am not even gonna bother.
First, Boba is a mandalorian. He was raised as one, even if Jango was killed when he was only 10 years old, many cultures consider boys at around that age to be full men, thus, a Mando.
Also, lightsabers "virtually" cut through anything. Some material are to dense for a saber to cut through, and you need enough strength to cut through them. I.E. remember in the beginning of ep1 when Qui-Gon didn't just continue cutting a circle, or start a new one, when the Trade Feds closed the blaster doors?
Cortosis, for instance, is so dense that it can short out a lightsaber if held in a position or in a slow cut, because the dense material/molecules would restrict/stop/reflect (take your pick) the blade's energy particles. Although the same is true for Mandalorian Iron, it's effect at blocking a lightsaber or shorting it out is less then that of Cortosis.
Different materials, density, and molecular make up can effect a saber in different ways. So take your pick.
Oh, and electo-plasma swords are supposed to be lightsaber "resistant". A Dathomar Witch was able to withstand Maul's sabers for a while I believe, and was to have preceeded the lightsabers for the sith: (go "histories" then "M" and go to the bottom of the page(sorry it won't let me directly link))
http://www.thelightsaber.com/IndexFolder/index2.htm
I know most of your already know this, I'm just throwing it out there cuz I'm bored, and I used too have WAY to much time on my hands.
George Lucas canon is movie only. Boba Fett died at the Sarlaac.
Lightsabers also create an intense amount of heat, if you're "indestructible armour" was hit, the alloys would attract heat. I'd rather be stabbed than to have a piece of metal at such an intense heat on my body.
You're a mean person and you say mean things
Yeah, and the abstract heat behind the blade would be over 1000F, so do you really want to argue the semantics of how jedi keep from setting themselves on fire? The fact of the matter is that IT's A CUSTOM MANDALORIAN, THERE IS CITED EXAMPLES IN MOVIES (see above pic), IN NOVELS, AND COMICS.
The perfect SW universe in your head isn't the same everyone else wants to be in.
Sheesh...
I didn't want to start a debate here, but what's done is done. GL Canon or LFL Canon - it's all combined, in one way or another.
I agree with NovalTalon -
The perfect SW universe in your head isn't the same everyone else wants to be in.
i agree with novall and sarim, star wars canon is just that regardless of who its from
but you should try making that weapon that grevious' guards used in ep 3...that would be an awesome project!
edit: on second thought...i think im actually gonna try and make that staff
1000şF oh of course, you're a little low with that number. The fact that it IS A CUSTOM MANDALORIAN doesn't mean that one can't take advice from another. If you guys want to run around and cosplay with "swords" in Mando helmets, go right ahead, I have a blaster at my side.
What you have to say is well documented in this thread, just like everyone else's. No one is blocking out what you said, it's all in plain sight, for other's to read and take advice from as they see fit. Also, maybe I'm missing something here, but I don't see any advice from you in this thread. Maybe I missed it, and if I did, I'm not afraid to admit my mistakes, but all I see is you expressing your view of what "canon" is, nothing advice-like anywhere. Also, if you were speaking in general, and not reffering to this thread specifically, I'm sorry for my misunderstanding.
We can't forget the main point of a hobby, which is to have fun. It's not fair to have someone trooping with a blaster when they'd much rather be holding a vibro-sword, just because another thinks it looks stupid. Just don't hang around them if you feel that strongly about it.
That's nice that you have your blaster, and you can keep it. No one's forcing a "sword" into your hands.
I had a chance to study an MR blade. It's basically a polycarbonate (read: plastic) with a string of LEDs in them.
Making something with a steel core -- depending on how thick and how much mass the blade will have -- might be too much for an MR blade to handle.
But it might be possible to vacuum form two halves of a cortosis blade and then glue them together such that it is hollow. The halves would have to weld very well if it is to take some impact from an MR blade. But anyways, that is how a lot of halloween costume swords are made.
I think a mandalorian with a sword would be awesome! You could get all up close and personal with the enemy before you start carving off limbs....lol. Any way, I don't know if this is any help, but it clarifies that Mandolorians (i know technically death watch) used blades (at least in this story anyway).
A melee weapon was the traditional weapon of the Mandalorians, and never went out of use.
And since every Mandalorian has his own specialty and expertise, there are sure also (vibro)swordfighters among Mandalorians, apart from the usual snipers, armorers, demolition or tech experts, to name only a few.
You might wanna see the concept of a Mandalorian swordmaster (Mandalorian Supercommando era) DarthKuk (or KukMan, he isn't on these boards) and I have worked on. Nothing for building a costume, it's just a character art for an OC from my Mando fanfiction:
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/42372821/
They don't set themselves on fire....because they don't hit themselves while holding it, it is a movie, if you want to argue over science, this isn't the place.
WHAT DOES BEING A CUSTOM MANDALORIAN HAVE TO DO WITH LIGHTSABERS????
(Just copying your use of the caps lock)
You guys brought it up...not me. I'm just correcting the miss-information that is being said here because people are basing custom Mandalorians off of the movies...and not the novels and comics. (which is where we actually learn *something* about Mandalorians at all.)
Ok, so those are the first 2 responses made about lightsabers in this thread about what someone would like to do with their custom.
Now, why don't you reply to this post the way you replied to mine about arguing science? Because IT'S A MOVIE!
So your telling me that the back of the blade has less heat then the tip of the blade of a lightsaber? Is that why when Qui'Gon's hand were about 2 inches from molten metal in EP 1 he didn't spontaneously combust? Of course not...cause it's a movie like you said and I agree with.
The point of this is that we are on the Dented Variants board. Some of us build our armor based on the books, some on comics, some on movies, and some out of pure imagination. People coming in here saying this isn't movie canon or that isn't movie canon really hold ZERO weight in a place where nobody is building anything seen in "movie cannon". Thats why there are boards here devoted to Boba, Jango, and Zam, because they were canon.
The double teaming is getting old...
agreed
i dont get why people have to bash others ideas on a custom board
i dont know what happened between novall, clayster, and gcn...but attacking everything novall says when it ven contradicts your best buddies is not a way to handle a situation online...its very immature and a bad idea on a forum full of friendly people...if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all...construcive criticism is great...but bashing and discussing ideas in a condescending manner is un-called for...ive seen certain poster decide it would be a good idea to start a ruckus in a friendly questionable thread...and that very same thread get locked/deleted for those actions taken...
im not here to make enemies...but some of you might be...if you want to look at me as an enemy then theres a simple "add ignore" feature you can do
Allllllrighty thennn
Double teaming? I did no such thing in this thread, I was saying stuff, completely unrelated to GCN, you just love to associate us both. I am standing for something different than he is in here, and you just don't like it, we aren't "double teaming" as you call it.
Yeah it is a movie, and you are arguing over science here, since "IT IS A MOVIE" a lot of things aren't scientifically correct. They don't catch on fire....because..'ITS A MOVIE" and they don't touch themselves with the lightsabers while they are just holding them.
And to your reply to me on "canon" I didn't bring up canon, besides EU bringing up metals that can withstand one of the strongest things in the SW universe. You get hit with a saber...guess what? You die, or get hurt badly...that is what happens, so be it. In EU if they withstand hits from Sabers with duraalumsteelinium then go for it.
You love standing by the fact, that "IT IS A CUSTOM MANDALORIAN"
I can understand that, but I didn't say, "You can't use that, it isn't canon, so you need to leave" like you are making me out to sound like.
Oh yeah, you say we were double teaming eh? Well if you just scroll up, how many people took your side of things, and tried to shut me and GCN up?
Maybe you need to look for yourself, since your definition of "double teaming" is people agreeing.
Have you even read this thread?
Ok, I'm through trying to convince the un-convinceable.
Let's see...
First, Fett did not consider himself Mandalorian until he was officially named Mandalore. Even then, he still had serious doubts about it.
Beskar is just too dense for a lightsaber to cut through. It's not "Oh, give me a minute working on this, and I'll cut through it". No. Lightsabers don't go through beskar. Same with phrik. The difference is that phrik was more brittle than beskar, and would break with a strong enough hit, even from a lightsaber. Cortosis was extremely weak on its own, but it had properties that would short out the lightsaber by doubling back the energy field onto itself. When combined as an alloy with something else, it had a certain amount of lightsaber resistance, but could be cut through, and would not short out a blade.
Many Mandalorians use swords, even through the LOTF series. They actually didn't even use vibroblades that much, the thought being that by the time it was on, you'd be dead. There are exceptions to this, such as gauntlet-mounted blades, but most of the carried swords were just that: Swords, normally made out of beskar.
As far as making one, look into the carbon fiber blades that they have at randomsabers.com, and try basing it around that. I've got three of them that I use for choreographing fights for projects that my school does (a lot of theater stuff), and we haven't had any problems with them breaking, even when one got run over by the scissor lift.
Was not the point of this thread to help someone make a sword that they can mock fight against someone with a saber and not break it? Who really cares if it could "really be done" or not. Let's face it, all of this is make believe and considering this is a custom forum, ANYTHING GOES. I think this argument is ridiculous and unless you have something to add that will actually help the initial question, then I suggest you find a different thread to post in.
I`ll second what Mirax stated.
Enough guys...this all make believe anyway.
Move the conversation on please.
what i was thinking of doing was actualy adding a thin pvc pipe(maybe around 3' - 4') to fit into a 1" plumbing pipe(10 inches long) and use that as the lightsaber blade
i actually make lightsaber hilts out of those metal plumbing pipes...you can make a pretty decent hilt for about 5 - 10 bucks
but i think a pvc pipe would be alright against the MR sabers
me and my brother (for fun) duel with the MR sabers all the time...theyre more durable than they look...
It isn't the blade material that isn't strong, it is the electronics inside, it is a string of LED's, and so if you duel too hard, you get the black spots, from an LED blowing out, or dying out.what i was thinking of doing was actualy adding a thin pvc pipe(maybe around 3' - 4') to fit into a 1" plumbing pipe(10 inches long) and use that as the lightsaber blade
i actually make lightsaber hilts out of those metal plumbing pipes...you can make a pretty decent hilt for about 5 - 10 bucks
but i think a pvc pipe would be alright against the MR sabers
me and my brother (for fun) duel with the MR sabers all the time...theyre more durable than they look...
I would just use some Polycarb dude, it is strong enough, and that is the material of the other sabers.
but it wouldn't look like a sword like you are wanting...so I don't know.
yeah, i heard that blotches of the sabers blotch out after some heavy dueling...
anyone ever check out buystarwarsstuff.com?
i think it redirects to their new site, but i remember them having a bunch of custom style lightsabers...ones that arent in the movies...theyre pretty much like the MR ones but you can actually remove the blade and just have the hilt...which i always wished i could do with the MR...
where do you even look for polycarb material?
Your better off in the long-run using a lazer style LED that shines up through the saber from the top of the hilt. It would be a little more expensive, but you won't have to worry about your LED string dying.
I had to send my MR Anakin saber back right after I received it because an LED was bad. That sucked..
There was a company that did custom sabers using this method, and you could take the blade on and off ect. I saw one at DCon last year and it rocked hard.
For the mando sword, probably making something using a vac former and then reinforcing the inside would be one of your best bets. That way you could make it as thin or thick as you wanted.
www.customsabershop.com
You can get the Polycarb there, For a blade assembly kit.
1st off lemme say that i think a sword/dagger is a really cool thing to have on a costume. i think the second post by dungobeetle is a good idea, you have to have the center reinforced so it doesn't flyoff and hit someone
and another thing, has anyone ever played like the first 10 minutes of KOTOR ?
*plus the only canon that matters is what you consider to be canon
- out
Why thank you for your trollying input, it means a lot.1st off lemme say that i think a sword/dagger is a really cool thing to have on a costume. i think the second post by dungobeetle is a good idea, you have to have the center reinforced so it doesn't flyoff and hit someone
and another thing, has anyone ever played like the first 10 minutes of KOTOR ?
*plus the only canon that matters is what you consider to be canon
Have you seen that Mirax and Jodo Kast 3 have posted about this kind of stuff?
Thank you, come again.
izim wasnt trolling...he gave positive input towards the original posters...his response to you wasnt even trolling, clay
and yes izim, i did play both KOTORs
"and another thing, has anyone ever played like the first 10 minutes of KOTOR ?"
That is in response to me and GCN's earlier comments
"*plus the only canon that matters is what you consider to be canon"
Now that could be taken two different ways, he could be making a statement, or he is replying to my earlier comments, just like some others did earlier saying that what I think is canon is wrong.
COuld be taken more ways, I took it rudely.
For Pirates of the Carribean 3 a group of about 75 of us dressed up as Pirates for the premiere, and we were dueling with swords, now of course we couldn't do it with the real thing, so me made our blades out of wood, covered them in a couple of layers of duct tape, painted them over the top of that and then added some normal tape over the top of the paint. They seemed to stand up to the punishment of battles beacuse of the layers of tape. The only reason any of them actually broke, was because one certain individual made a katana and specifically made it almost 3 times and wide and thick as the all others so his would break all the swords, (people stopped dueling him very quickly.... lol). I know they sound pretty dodgey, but they actually looked very decent when fighting and hanging from out belts. Plus they only cost AU $10 all up.
The duct tape does help, I have done this with wooden sabers.
It sounds dodgy, but a thin layer of grey foam works great. Also it takes some of the edge off when you get whacked on the knuckles.
I have to say guys, from all the ideas above so far, a wooden blade is most likely your best bet. Not as expensive as a PC blade, and depending on the wood, could be just as strong. If it snaps getting another one would be a fair whack easier. I have an ultra saber, the type mentioned above that have the LED shine from the hilt, and while the light effect is fantastic, The minute you snap the blade or shatter it, it's useless until another blade is found.
There are a number of Carpenters that might be able to assist you with the Lathing of the blade, from my days in woodwork at school it just took a little bit of effort to make something come out nice.
The more i read about this, the more i'm thinking about getting the whole thing Lathed out of wood.
Now that's a good idea, might be good to add a layer of plastic... for the look of it :p
Wood might be a good start, at least.
Wood should be fine, but the Polycarb most likely won't give you the shape you wan anyways (I thought I had mentioned that earlier).
I would wrap a shaped piece of wood in duct tape, and maybe paint it?
If you duel with Jedi, it will give them paint smears on their blades though...
You then wrap the painted sword in normal tape to stop the paint from coming off on other peoples swords. If you get the tape on right the first time then no paint will come off. It can look fairly decent
I don't think that would look good brother.
The FX sabers aren't really designed for dueling... that being said, it would be much better to duel with a wooden "waster" sword against a stunt saber rather than an FX. Wasters are available in a variety of styles, and can be ordered online and/or found at most ren faires. Though it would likely be cheaper to order online, since most ren faire stuff is astronomically marked up.
Here's a couple links for wasters:
http://www.medievalfantasiesco.com/Arms.htm
http://www.little-raven.com/RS/MA/western.html
And while it's not for dueling, my Mando is also a sword Mando. I have one Blaster pistol and the Sword so far, and will have a variety of blades by the time I'm done.
Well not many Jedi costumers use the standard FX anymore, many use the stronger LED conversions, that way no LED's blow out, although the plastic can still break in half.The FX sabers aren't really designed for dueling... that being said, it would be much better to duel with a wooden "waster" sword against a stunt saber rather than an FX. Wasters are available in a variety of styles, and can be ordered online and/or found at most ren faires. Though it would likely be cheaper to order online, since most ren faire stuff is astronomically marked up.
Here's a couple links for wasters:
http://www.medievalfantasiesco.com/Arms.htm
http://www.little-raven.com/RS/MA/western.html
And while it's not for dueling, my Mando is also a sword Mando. I have one Blaster pistol and the Sword so far, and will have a variety of blades by the time I'm done.
Which is why I suggested using a stunt saber instead of an "effect" saber. Safer all around that way, I'd think. Either way though, you don't want to duel one material against another if there's much of a difference in strength of the materials involved.
That's why I suggested some polycarb, and a simple LED system.
But he wants a sword.
Right, which brings us full circle back to my original post... He could get a wooden "waster" sword, and have whoever he plans on "dueling" use a stunt saber instead of an FX. Seems rather simple to me
When you put it like that.... it does
Well then when he is at a Con, and wants to duel someone, he will make the person make a wooden one right then and there?Right, which brings us full circle back to my original post... He could get a wooden "waster" sword, and have whoever he plans on "dueling" use a stunt saber instead of an FX. Seems rather simple to me
Righto
Or the person could be like Voltron.
Lol, what a conundrum!
I like that idea, sounds practical.
Your best bet is probably going to be buying a plastic sword and modifying the hilt and blade to your liking. My advice is get a plastic chrome plated kitana and use the blade off that and mod out the handle.
Heh, some of you misunderstand my point. I meant if I would be planning to duel with them, but I'm actually making a long knife at the moment - nothing to duel with.
Still, I like the idea of making a dueling sword as well. Good point Novall, vor'e!
Thank you all for the ideas, really helps to be able to choose from many minds.
That wouldn't last long against a saber like he wants.
Katana*
Wow.....just wow.......great idea Sarim
clay did you just correct our mandalore? lolol good idea by the way novall...i may do this myself lol
Well an easy way(depending on your definition of easy) to make a sword that you can spar against the MR sabers or others of the sort, is to make it out of carbon fiber or many layers of fiberglass. If you coat a solid piece of wood or styropfoam that has been shaped into your desired sword design with a non sticking agent, then layer a few layers of the carbon fiber over it. let is dry/harden, then slide it out the bottom. if you shape it in foam you can just leave the foam in and carbonfiber or fiberglass right over the whole thing. it will be light and strong enough to duel with withou breaking anyones MR Saber.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
Wow, "our mandalore"
I think that was meant as a joke man.
And so was what I said...I think that was meant as a joke man.
Wow, what a thread...sheesh. I don't see what the big problem is. Swords are perfectly fit to be considered 'canon', even if they don't have any screen time in the movies, so what? Flip through any random SW comic book and there's bound to be a sword somewhere. The SW universe expands beyond the six movies, FYI.
And yes, Cortosis/etc. blades can block lightsabers.
Well anywho, getting back on the subject of Mandalorian swords: I think swords are fantastic. I plan on carrying a sword with my ensemble, albeit perhaps two swords and switch them ocassionally. However, I wouldn't go so far as to try to fight a Jedi with one - any type of edged weapon will knick and dent the acrylic lightsaber blade.
I guess you could still fight someone, but just be sure to mention that before going all-out.
Well hey, why not actual steel? Besides being really hard to cut it, it's probably gonna be the strongest and most durable material you can use. Even training with it is possible...but you'd have to be really careful. It's doable.
Well, if the question is directed at me -- it's illegal to create steel swords with these new laws issued, even unsharpened.
Darned terrorists/hooligans...
Hmm....I see. If it's not illegal, Ordo and I have some experience in it at the least - and him more than I.
Yeah mate, you do that. I'll make mine out of plastics =)
I think it's more these darned Nazi scum here than terrorist threat.... not many, but enough to make them be really careful about weaponry here. Heh, the ones who are problems that is... skinheads they call themselves.
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