The Mandalorians (our Costumes)

Count me in as a Sniper mandalorian....... hehe

I kinda fall into 2 groups the heavy/light weapons and sniper

Yeah, I guess many of us will fall into a couple of those sub-groups, but we will fall into a general catagory for the most part.


This kind of goes to this thread:
http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/f34/what-hasent-been-done-17654/

yea missed one!!! and it's my style, the infultration.... ok ok hacker. i am a hacker type mando, dealing with computers and such

"yea missed one!!! and it's my style, the infultration.... ok ok hacker. i am a hacker type mando, dealing with computers and such"

Awesome!

I remember seeing a COMMUNICATION SPECIALIST somewhere. They carried a communications backpack (like WWII) very cool. I think that was another MANDO board.

You missed Airforce and and Navy

What i have done with my Armour is give a nod to the Space Marine chaplains from the warhammer 40K, a leadership "caste" for want of a better description, or a royal Mandalorian. I want the armour to look like it was designed to inspire the troops he had under his command, and keep them fighting if it looks like it would go bad. It's getting there, and is looking rather striking, so hopefully it will come out like how i dreamt of it in my head.

Hmmm... Please send a pic of a NAVY Mando or an AIRFORCE Mando - I don't think I've seen those on here. Though I can piture it in my head what they would look like.

A Space Marine mando - that's cool.

I also forgot the Desert Mando - I saw that pic somewhere.

Heavy/Light Weapons expert mandalorians

I have yet to give up on my idea of a Heavy Weapons or Heavy Assault Madalorian. I just don't know about the extra armor, which would make it to heavy to fly with a rocket pack. Good list of ideas and summations. I hope this will to see more additions to this list as well as some ideas for each category, should someone need more details.

Someone is already working an Sea based Mando. I'm Planning on making a pilot oriented mando in the future, and although I don't have a concept drawn down yet, I do got a good idea in my head.

Well, I haven't posted too frequently here, though this is probably my third year of improving and messing w/ my armor, but:

Frost K'amon-
Teras Kasi Mando.

Originally Posted by mandaloriansith

Hmmm... Please send a pic of a NAVY Mando or an AIRFORCE Mando - I don't think I've seen those on here. Though I can piture it in my head what they would look like.

Do you have a costume, or are working on a costume?

id fall under light weapons i think i also have a hand in the underworld i smuggle bounty hunt for the credits when needed. i also smuggle supplies and info for the rebellion( yes im a sympathiser ). vaders pet: maybe a crozonius arcanum type weapon might be something ta consider for close combat like the chaplains carried an insperational symbol that is deadly but id like to follow your progress ta c where u go with this im a big 40k fan.

what about saboteurs?? Or would that fall under demolition??

Originally Posted by Grizzly

id fall under light weapons i think i also have a hand in the underworld i smuggle bounty hunt for the credits when needed. i also smuggle supplies and info for the rebellion( yes im a sympathiser ). vaders pet: maybe a crozonius arcanum type weapon might be something ta consider for close combat like the chaplains carried an insperational symbol that is deadly but id like to follow your progress ta c where u go with this im a big 40k fan.

Grizzly,
i was considering some sort of staff weapon, just not sure of the design just yet. for now i am sticking with my rifle i have named "Prudiise Mureyca" or Shadows Kiss in Mando'a. I'm going to get that carved down the barrel, as i am also a huge fan of 40k and love the way the marines "bless" their weapons with inscriptions. My armour is made to look ancient, something passed down between one royal/noble to their son, for generations. I'm really hoping it is looking like that, here is a link to the progress work so far.
Kind regards to the wonderful man responsible for bringing my thoughts into a sexy paintjob, heh. (you know who you are, i love you WB!)
http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...ustom%20Mando/

Your codpiece pattern looks rather threatening....like the eyes butterflies have on thiere wings to scare predators away.....is that pettern there for that reason

Originally Posted by Vaders_Pet

Grizzly,
i was considering some sort of staff weapon, just not sure of the design just yet. for now i am sticking with my rifle i have named "Prudiise Mureyca" or Shadows Kiss in Mando'a. I'm going to get that carved down the barrel, as i am also a huge fan of 40k and love the way the marines "bless" their weapons with inscriptions. My armour is made to look ancient, something passed down between one royal/noble to their son, for generations. I'm really hoping it is looking like that, here is a link to the progress work so far.
Kind regards to the wonderful man responsible for bringing my thoughts into a sexy paintjob, heh. (you know who you are, i love you WB!)
http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...ustom%20Mando/

Originally Posted by Callista

what about saboteurs?? Or would that fall under demolition??

I guess these catagories create even more and more sub-catogories.

The combinations of these are many...

Desert Mandos!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Callista

Your codpiece pattern looks rather threatening....like the eyes butterflies have on thiere wings to scare predators away.....is that pettern there for that reason

I could make a very out o taste joke about keeping girls away from my ravishing looks, but i will hold my tongue in check for now...

I asked the painter of my armour to help create a symbol for me, and he asked my permission to do his own thing on the codpiece to stop it from looking plain. And here you see the finished product. I love it because it looks nasty and threatening in a tribal kind of way

Originally Posted by firstsonofsolo

Desert Mandos!!!!!!!!!!

Is there anyone else that has done a desert scheme for their armor?

I consider mine a Special Forces Sniper variant with a subroles as Communications and Medic.

Originally Posted by Kantis Nolef

Is there anyone else that has done a desert scheme for their armor?

I have an army mate over here in aus that s doing an aus pattern desert camo mando, and its lookin really really hot. he is going for the desert sniper look, ill get some pics when its looking abit more up to scratch

I'm an assassin or bounty hunter, which every you wanna call it

Why have desert Mandos? wouldn't they just be infantry who happen to be stationed in the desert? Our soldiers in Iraq are called Marines, not Desert Troopers. Police Mandos also seem to serve no purpose in the Mando'ade culture.

I guess I could be classifieed as either assassin, Spec Ops., or infantry. Anything where I can get in the thick of a fight.

I'd hate to think of myself as a "criminal Mandalorian," perhaps a scoundrel would be better as I walk that razors edge between good and bad...Even the classification of scoundrel hardly describes me as myself and my clan does everything from assassinations to helping provide weapons and ships (that we steal from all across the galaxy) for the Rebels during the Rebellion, to coming to Boba Fett's call during the Vong war-and that's but a bit of what my clan does...So how would one classify my Mando?

Originally Posted by GCNgamer128

Why have desert Mandos? wouldn't they just be infantry who happen to be stationed in the desert? Our soldiers in Iraq are called Marines, not Desert Troopers. Police Mandos also seem to serve no purpose in the Mando'ade culture.

I call mine "desert" so people will know why I chose the tan colors, just as Darth Valcar calls his a "jungle sniper" since he's using the basic woodland camo. I agree with you that we don't call them "desert troops" but we do have different uniforms for different climates. Using a title like that also makes a conversation quicker when explaining your costume;

"What are you?" "I'm a desert Mando" "Ah, cool"

instead of

"What are you?" "I'm a Mandalorian" "Why are you tan colored?" "Because I'm from the desert" "Ah, ok"

This is my 2 different color schemes for my Assassin/Bounty Hunter Mandalorian

Originally Posted by Kantis Nolef

I call mine "desert" so people will know why I chose the tan colors, just as Darth Valcar calls his a "jungle sniper" since he's using the basic woodland camo. I agree with you that we don't call them "desert troops" but we do have different uniforms for different climates. Using a title like that also makes a conversation quicker when explaining your costume;

"What are you?" "I'm a desert Mando" "Ah, cool"

instead of

"What are you?" "I'm a Mandalorian" "Why are you tan colored?" "Because I'm from the desert" "Ah, ok"

that may work in conventions and events, but you guys are talking about military and such.

Well if it works at conventions and events, then why even critisize it? That's really all we do in these costumes. You aren't going all Clam Lord on me, are you?

I think that no matter what we dress like, be it Sniper, Army, whatever..... we al look good..... and most of all each to there own...... Mando's R Mando's........

I didnt say anyone didnt look good, you guys are trying to classify us all in a military type of thing, so in the military people dont call themselves "Desert Troopers" or "Water Troopers" if they go for a swim now do they?

I didnt say anyone didnt look good, NO IDEA where you got that one, and I can critisize it if I choose so.

They're basing a made-up military structure on the real world military sturcture. They're not copying it. It isn't constrained to the real world military, it's made up.

Also I didn't say you couldn't critisize. By all means do.

I say desert because when I finish Jango my custome will have a life support pack with a special helmet filtration set up similair to the "predator" mando.

Originally Posted by Cylrul Pbz

I didnt say anyone didnt look good, you guys are trying to classify us all in a military type of thing, so in the military people dont call themselves "Desert Troopers" or "Water Troopers" if they go for a swim now do they?

I didnt say anyone didnt look good, NO IDEA where you got that one, and I can critisize it if I choose so.

Then remember that this is also Star Wars based, where we have Scout Troopers, Snow Troopers, Storm Troopers, Sand Troopers, etc. Sounds to me like people are using the traditional Star Wars terms with there own twist, which validates them as they are making Star Wars based costumes.

Originally Posted by GCNgamer128

Why have desert Mandos? wouldn't they just be infantry who happen to be stationed in the desert? Our soldiers in Iraq are called Marines, not Desert Troopers. Police Mandos also seem to serve no purpose in the Mando'ade culture.

Why would you say Police Mandos would serve no purpose?
Are you implying Mandolorian culture in anarchist?

I don't know too many civilized cultures that don't have laws - and therein - some way to enforce them. Anarchy and anarchism doesn't work in large social environments - ever. Heirarchies form. Ruling bodies form. Then rules are made. And someone ALWAYS rises who enforces the rules. Its the standard order of human society. And while yes - we're talking "other worlds" scenarios --- one could if not should presume a natural order would likewise arise out of chaos and anarchy.

Maybe "police" is too defining and restricting a concept. Maybe it'd be much better/dramatic for dramatic effect to have a class called: "Mandalorian Regulators".

Maybe they are the "Judge Dredd's" of the Mandalorian culture. Empowered by the ruling bodies. Clan leaders. Elite descendants of Mandalore himself. If you do something dishonorable to discredit the Mandalorian name, or your clan's name - under the "Uniform Mandalorian Code of Conduct" or system however loose it is - and face the possibility of being hunted, captured, prosecuted, and even perhaps terminated by said "Regulators". Maybe they'll just strip you of your armor, your rank, and your clanship --- or maybe they'll send you to serve in a Hutt compound.

Either way - you break the code - you face The Regulators.

I'm just free-styling here with the thought pattern...
I'm just saying --- there would likely be SOME form of "behavior control / legal enforcement" of Mandalorians one would think.

Being that the Mando'ade culture revolves around the military...

Originally Posted by GCNgamer128

Being that the Mando'ade culture revolves around the military...

Well then wouldn't there likely be a Mandalorian UCMJ? Therefore - a Military-type police enforcement force? A tribunal system? A JAG division of mandalorians? LOL --- you see --- in even a purely militaristic society there is always some form of enforcement of rules.

Look at the old legend of how Sun Tzu showed the emperor he could turn even women into warriors. Justice might not be the most orderly - but there's always someone specificially designated to enfoce it.

I'm sure every clan had there own set of laws that flowed from one central source, be it the Cannons or the Codex. Laws put fourth by governments of mandalor controlled planets were very different and were probably the same laws that were around before the planets fell under mandalorian rule.

I would say that a clan leader dispensed justice in his clan, possibly electing to form a tribunal. I'm sure that would be dependent on the personality of the leader and his relationship with the men and women within his clan. I don't see any sort of JAG office as that would imply a characteristic in Mandalorian society that we haven't seen a whole lot of...office work =D

There are Pleaders on Concord Dawn that are the same thing as Lawyers, but again that's a civilian office.

Originally Posted by NovallTalon

I'm sure every clan had there own set of laws that flowed from one central source, be it the Cannons or the Codex. Laws put fourth by governments of mandalor controlled planets were very different and were probably the same laws that were around before the planets fell under mandalorian rule.

I would say that a clan leader dispensed justice in his clan, possibly electing to form a tribunal. I'm sure that would be dependent on the personality of the leader and his relationship with the men and women within his clan. I don't see any sort of JAG office as that would imply a characteristic in Mandalorian society that we haven't seen a whole lot of...office work =D

There are Pleaders on Concord Dawn that are the same thing as Lawyers, but again that's a civilian office.

Well - I'm not implying the Mandalorian culture would necessarily have a JAG or such...

I'm just saying - while they might not be "police" as say a bobbies or NYPD or such... but they'd LIKELY have some sort of enforcement personnel of codes of justice whether it be localized clan based or society based. Therefore - a "uniformed" Mandalorian as such might not be unreasonable to believe existing.

Society is defined by its laws or lawlessness...
Considering how "code of honor" Mandalorians seem to be --- I would tend to reason they have a code of justice or rather intense laws when it comes to honorable and dishonorable behavior.

Here's an unfinished teaser from the fanfilm I'm makin. It's going to be live action but one of the opening shots turns into this image. Still need to add 2 more characters, a wook and my friend's mando. My concept is the only mando in it.

Actually, if I may be so frank, I find this entire topic moot- the mandalorian culture is a culture that lacks any ranks, fixed jobs, or military. Rather than being an uber militaristic society, they are a warrior nomad society- finding it harder to destroy their culture if they are spread throughout the galaxy than gathered on Mandalore. As far as crime and punishment goes, that is why they are a conqueror culture- they will simply fight, which is often how disagreements are settled, like who will lead as Mandalor. The only real meaning behind the armor is the color scheme- black for justice, sand gold for vengence, etc.- and even then green and blue are the most popular. Camoflauge is sometimes used, but not often, as they have the saying "It's one thing to see us coming, and another to do something about it." Finally, as far as crime and punishment goes, the most severe punishment a mando'ade to recieve is exilement, though rare, or to have your status as Mando'ade lost or taken from you.

The most important thing to consider about the Mandalorians, especially considering their armor is Verd ori'sha beskar'gam. A warrior is more than his armor.

Clans had a hierarchy among members, and that is also rank. Nomadic warriors doesn't mean leaderless disorganization. We see ranks on Mandalorians in KOTOR, and Kal Skirata was telling the Null's he was a Sargent before any republic official called him a rank.

I like to think of Mandalorians as the Samauri of Star Wars with some differences.

I think what is being discussed here is what we would see if we were to be on Mandalor, or Concord Dawn, or some other Mandalorian controlled planet. What would we see if we were to spend a day with a mando clan? I think that's what people are addressing in this topic...so that makes it far from moot.

While that may be true, the Mandos now, especially, do not use rank. To quote the article from SWI-

"With the exception of the Mandalore, rankings never correspond to a fixed rank- a concept they find hard to accept"

"For a people who appear to have little interest in rank and hierarchy, Mandalorians are extremely co-operative in combat. The rugged individuality so marked in their approach to most things is set aside to reach a common goal, and they'll do whatever it takes to achieve their objective. Their fighting forces settle into informal command structures almost without thought or effort, focused on the outcome and not personal ambition. This instinctive flexibility is also what makes them superb mercenaries."

So this means they had no heirarchy, but still had their leader- which is what I was getting at. The only real costume difference should be if someone makes themselves Mandalore- but that'd mean leading everyone on these forums

And I think the Mandalores would be closer to the Spartans of greece- as they had the same mindset, practices, and behavior.

Finally, a day in the life of a mandalor would most likely either be working on a farm, rallying to the Mandalore, or fighting in war- as mandalores traditionally only fight when rallied, and usually tend to the homestead first rather than adventure.

i dont know how i missied this thread but i have an aqua mando but that might be under spec ops mandalorian

Originally Posted by Feldon_Nassus

While that may be true, the Mandos now, especially, do not use rank. To quote the article from SWI-

"With the exception of the Mandalore, rankings never correspond to a fixed rank- a concept they find hard to accept"

"For a people who appear to have little interest in rank and hierarchy, Mandalorians are extremely co-operative in combat. The rugged individuality so marked in their approach to most things is set aside to reach a common goal, and they'll do whatever it takes to achieve their objective. Their fighting forces settle into informal command structures almost without thought or effort, focused on the outcome and not personal ambition. This instinctive flexibility is also what makes them superb mercenaries."

So this means they had no heirarchy, but still had their leader- which is what I was getting at. The only real costume difference should be if someone makes themselves Mandalore- but that'd mean leading everyone on these forums

And I think the Mandalores would be closer to the Spartans of greece- as they had the same mindset, practices, and behavior.

Finally, a day in the life of a mandalor would most likely either be working on a farm, rallying to the Mandalore, or fighting in war- as mandalores traditionally only fight when rallied, and usually tend to the homestead first rather than adventure.

Thats definately a good quote. Honestly, after reading that article many times, I think there should have been more historical tie-ins. It's hard for me to believe that between 63BBY and RoTJ things completely changed the way Mandalorians had acted for thousands of years. We have words like Al'verde, Ver'verd, Alor, Verd'ika that are all names of rank that were used by Mandalolrians. Those just didn't appear out of thin air =D

Mand'alor may tend his field now since there are only maybe 200 left in the galaxy (Hard to think of Boba Fett ever tending a garden.), but in the days when the Mandalorian Army was the greatest fighting force in the galaxy, you can bet your rear that there was nothing on his mind short of ruling the entire galaxy.

No fixed rank or formal command structure to me means that when the fighting was over they went back to tending those fields, herding the nerfs, or whatever you wanna think they did in the off time unlike the full time warriors of 2000 years ago. I like to believe that they had organization and leadership when they were fighting, not just a thousand voices over the comlink.

Because we have so little real knowledge about the Mandalorian culture save a couple articles and the excerpts in books based on Mandalorian characters , it's all based on opinions and ideas.

Alright, let's put it this way. Currently, I am mad into xbox360 playing R6 Vegas. It's an online 4 player coop squad based game and the use of "radios" in game, although not essential, does help a lot.

A lot of players still do play as if it's a solo game rather than a team effort, many just want to be the one that has the most "kills" rather than actually succeed in a specific mission. But when a random team starts to communicate and ignore the number of their kills but work as a cohesive whole, then there really is no need for a rank/leader/boss. Everyone stays "radio" silent unless there's important information that needs to be relayed like "They're flanking us on the right" or "watch that corner". No one is specifically barking orders but relaying information that would be vital to the team's success.

I see the mandalorians the same way, certain mandos excel at certain things and the others will let him/her do his/her job when it's time for the job to get done. During the times they acted as mercs/soldiers for hire, I'm sure that's how things got done. We all cover each other, we all fight the same, no one gets left behind, no one does something stupid that will get the whole squad wiped out. And like in the R6 Vegas game, there will be glory hogs (ie Montross) who will want to show they're the best instead of covering their collective asses with the mission goal in mind rather than their own personal "kill" quota. Those kind of characters get "banished/courtmarshalled" by the collective whole, simply because they'd be the cause for the deaths of many "brothers" and "sisters".

So you see, there's not a specific hierarchy, aside from Mandalore because everyone knows their place, they know that whatever they need to do is for the success of the mission at hand rather than showboating.

Another possible reason why there would be no need for a specific hierarchy is repeat teams. Obviously if you've worked with a team before and you did a good job of surviving and getting the job done, you'd want to stick with that team as often as possible. And the more you work together, the better that team performs, more as a unit instead of a rag tag group of random soldiers. Cohesion through training would indeed negate any need for a formal ranking system since everyone knows which group they belong to and which group does what. (ie, Aerial units, foot soldiers, demo teams etc...)

Although technically you'd need a high ranking "officer" to orchestrate an attack pattern or a retreat, the mandos would simply choose to follow orders given by who is the most competent or the one who has the most competence in the situation at the time, rather than the one that has the highest "rank". They strive for efficiency and to that end, I'd say that even the specialized mandos are at least cross-trained to quite a competent degree in all other specialties, so that in the event that their "leader" died or was unable to perform his/her duties, they could still function as a team.

So you see, there would be no "official" ranking system, but there would still be cohesion because the "leader" during a mission just shifts from soldier to soldier depending on the situation.

Obviously for large scale assaults they would need to have some sort of leadership of the various squadrons/squads/regiments but their system still applies, if that leader dies, the squadron/squad/regiment doesn't stop functioning.

I'm not saying that they don't go back to tending their fields, just that it's not the main reason why they don't have a specific ranking system.

If all mandos are warriors...why have a police force?

If our soldiers are warriors, why have a military police?

answer- because even warriors can commit crimes.

Originally Posted by Feldon_Nassus

If our soldiers are warriors, why have a military police?

answer- because even warriors can commit crimes.

Mandalorian culture was based off of Sparta's culture. The men are warriors, they raise their children to be warriors.
They have no police because if there were a problem, the militaryh would take care of it.

The flaw in your logic lies in the idea that every mando will obey the laws set by the mandalore. If someone breaks that law, someone must be of position to uphold it and rectify the problem.

Likewise, the military has its own police- as the soldiers need to obey the law, and if that law is broken, then the MPs will sort it out, not other soldiers.

Originally Posted by Feldon_Nassus

The flaw in your logic lies in the idea that every mando will obey the laws set by the mandalore. If someone breaks that law, someone must be of position to uphold it and rectify the problem.

Likewise, the military has its own police- as the soldiers need to obey the law, and if that law is broken, then the MPs will sort it out, not other soldiers.

PM GCNgamer128 for me ok?

Originally Posted by Feldon_Nassus

The flaw in your logic lies in the idea that every mando will obey the laws set by the mandalore. If someone breaks that law, someone must be of position to uphold it and rectify the problem.

Likewise, the military has its own police- as the soldiers need to obey the law, and if that law is broken, then the MPs will sort it out, not other soldiers.

Why do you care so much? By a culture of this sort, a police system isn't needed, but is more or less an extension of the military.

I dont. Im just correcting a factual error based on readings of Open Seasons and Karen Traviss' work.

While it may be true that the Journey Man Protector's were an extention of the Military, it was needed, as demonstrated in Open Seasons, where Jango's own family was murdered by rogue mando's.

Originally Posted by Feldon_Nassus

I dont. Im just correcting a factual error based on readings of Open Seasons and Karen Traviss' work.

While it may be true that the Journey Man Protector's were an extention of the Military, it was needed, as demonstrated in Open Seasons, where Jango's own family was murdered by rogue mando's.

So Karen Traviss is wrong, even though she made the Mandalorian Language, and helped make Mandalorians what they are now...sounds good....

Originally Posted by Cylrul Pbz

So Karen Traviss is wrong, even though she made the Mandalorian Language, and helped make Mandalorians what they are now...sounds good....

Im sorry, but who decided to give you the right to decide whats cannon and not?

And besides, the Journeyman Protector is something that has been associated with Mandalorians since Tales from the Bounty Hunters, so its not just Karen that you are denoting as 'wrong', but dozens of writers that have elaborated on the Mandalorians.

If you want, in order to give an idea of what the Mandalorians are, Ill PM you some pages of their article from SWI.

Here's my thing...
Aren't we arguing a retcon'd reimaging of the Mandalorian culture anyway?
I mean - look at the original version of who/what the Mandalorians were supposed to be - and therein - who the stormtroopers were supposed to be... AND therein who Boba Fett was supposed to be. An army of clones based on 100 of the elite of the elite hand picked by Palpatine as his guards/jedi hunters/clone models - not 1.

An entire planet if not system of the best warriors in the galexy who by nature/history loathe the jedi (because of an undisclosed 'history' with them) and lived by a strict code of honor and way of a warrior (very samurai in drive, purpose, and code --- in antithesis of the Jedi who are more a religious warrior - eg Shao Lin Monk/Warrior).

Who is to say what Lucas REALLY intended for an intensive background of the Mandalorians - or if he ever did at all. Isn't that one of the aspects of Boba Fett that made him cool? The mystery of who he was? Why he'd be ballzy enough to go toe to toe with Darth Vader in a seemingly unafraid manner? And why in the bleak series of Marvel comics the coolest issue they may have produced was the background story to the Mandalorians with the other 2 surviving members of the original 100?

See - here's the thing --- ALL this is speculation. Its a retcon based on a background story Lucas has authorized to fill in the blanks for fans like us... all leading up to his decision to use a single Mandalorian model for the clones - something I still cry FOUL over BTW...

Its done for US you see...
For the fanboy/fangirl who THRIVES on information about our beloved Mandalorians.

And therein - who is to say who is right or wrong. I say Lucas' retcon is wrong. And that is why I fully believe if the Mandalorian world/society was as advanced as it appears to be - it would be a structured society based on warfare, military, and a samurai like mantra and code of conduct. Ronin were likely to exist. As were assassins, etc. But that does not mean there would not have been police/enforcers, specialsists, diplomats, etc in the ranks as well. All of them warrior trained and practiced. All of them ready to throw down against whatever foe they faced/unified against. All of them - Mandalorians.

In a way you are right, but while we are "defining" the mandalorians as fans, we still have to adbide by the cannon to make cannon.

True- some Mando'ade may have focused on specialities, but they were all equals in each others eyes- no specialists, no rank. The "ronin" of the mandalorians was the Mandalore- their leader. Only by besting him, or claiming the title at his death, would someone replace him.

And if you read Open Seasons, or even The Sith War, it gives us an idea why the Mandalorians are wary of force users. Even reading the wikipedia entry can shed some light on the culture, as it is built by readers after all.

And finally- what kind of warrior race needs a diplomat?!

Originally Posted by Feldon_Nassus

And finally- what kind of warrior race needs a diplomat?!

Simple - the kind sees the benefit of a well spoken and highly respected warrior who is well versed in regards to setting terms of surrender upon those that were just conquered. Maybe a master stratagist. A retired warrior. Someone who has seen battle, and knows how to recover in the aftermath.

After all...

What Mandalorian wants to be bothered by the principles of having to rebuild the civilization they just possibly at least partially destroyed? That's for the conqured to do themselves - as a territory under Mandalorian "protection."

Actually, there are less likely old mandalorians- a reason older mandalorians are revered, as a culture that prides itself on warfare, death is a common bedfellow. And while they do conquer, the mandalorians seem to have this effect where the local populations seem to adhere to their culture, as this is a race that has its warrior begginings as the origional inhabitants of Coruscant before conquering Mandalore. It can also be seen as they adopt war orphans to raise as their own.

Basically, its adapt, be killed, or run.

Originally Posted by Vaders_Pet

What i have done with my Armour is give a nod to the Space Marine chaplains from the warhammer 40K, a leadership "caste" for want of a better description, or a royal Mandalorian. I want the armour to look like it was designed to inspire the troops he had under his command, and keep them fighting if it looks like it would go bad. It's getting there, and is looking rather striking, so hopefully it will come out like how i dreamt of it in my head.

I've never player WH40K but I have always liked the looks of the Imperial & Chaos Marines, their armors & weapons are bloody amazing! You've just given me some ideas for greebles & bits on my own custom mando, time for me to head over to the official site & check out their miniatures agin. Thanks!

Originally Posted by GCNgamer128

Why have desert Mandos? wouldn't they just be infantry who happen to be stationed in the desert? Our soldiers in Iraq are called Marines, not Desert Troopers. Police Mandos also seem to serve no purpose in the Mando'ade culture.

I think they were called Journeymen Protectors depending on if Jaster Mereel's full on service before going Mando & Boba Fett's short stint that they wore Mandalorian'ish armor while on the job.

Are there any Journeymen Protector images out there? Maybe one of Ralph McQuarrie''s concept pics for Fett is one?


I'd always figured the helmet in the top left corner is a JP.

I believe that the JP's were just an extension of the Mandalorian government, so there's no reason why there armor would be any different looks wise. Perhaps in functionality though.

werent the mandalorian protectorate the "police" mandos? and not all mandalorians are warriors look at jango fett he was a farmer before the deathwatch killed his family. also remember that mandalorian is more like a religeion not a people. humans are not the origonal mandos. Jaing's species was. mandalorians are defined by their desire to be the best in combat. and to do what ever it takes to survive.

Originally Posted by Feldon_Nassus

In a way you are right, but while we are "defining" the mandalorians as fans, we still have to adbide by the cannon to make cannon.

True- some Mando'ade may have focused on specialities, but they were all equals in each others eyes- no specialists, no rank. The "ronin" of the mandalorians was the Mandalore- their leader. Only by besting him, or claiming the title at his death, would someone replace him.

And if you read Open Seasons, or even The Sith War, it gives us an idea why the Mandalorians are wary of force users. Even reading the wikipedia entry can shed some light on the culture, as it is built by readers after all.

And finally- what kind of warrior race needs a diplomat?!

i belive you ment shogun here. ronin are master less samurai. the shogun is the general/leader/king of the ronin

Jaing's species was unknown. Taung was the original species of the Mandalorians, which originated on Corouscant.

io thought jaing was a taung?

Originally Posted by lowki13

io thought jaing was a taung?

Me too. Y'know....there's this tiny Saiya-Jin/Mandalorian connection. The Saiya-jin, from Dragonball Z like Vegeta, were a race of super powered mercenaries going from planet to planet conquering them for themselves or their clients. They finally settled on a planet claimed by the Tsufuru-jin, conquered them & took on their technology & culture & mixed it with their own, sorta like how the Tuangs, humanoids & other alien species in SW all came together to form the 1st Mandalorians. Both mercenary groups had distinctive armors, warrior pride & familial dynasties i.e. Fett & Vegeta.

It's wierd how 2 different cultures can get basically the same idea at around the same time but I wonder who thought it up 1st, Akira Toriyama or the early Mandalorian authors working for LFL, or if the idea originates from some real world mercenary army types from past history?

yeah i just looked at the pics form prototypes and the pics of taung and well they arnt the same at all the taung look like the preadator if the predator had a human mouth.

Yeo, Taung had long faces with small mouths, and no tusks like Jaing had. The Taung were all dead by the time Jaing was born anyhow =)

Originally Posted by lowki13

i belive you ment shogun here. ronin are master less samurai. the shogun is the general/leader/king of the ronin

How does a Masterless samurai, have a general/leader/king? A shogun is simply a military rank equivalent to Field Marshal. Shogun led troops, which could on occasion contain a retinue of ronin if they were paid to fight for him, essentially as mercenaries.


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I'm a commando.

but the ronin still weren't leaders. but yeah i ment samurai.

If you really want to discuss the finer points of Japanese culture, I would be happy to do so, but this thread is probably not the most appropriate place for such a discussion. Unless, I suppose, it is kept within the confines of how it relates to the Mandalorians. I think it might make an interesting thread if it could be kept civil in the sarlacc pit.

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Well this thread just jumped down the toilet, didn't it?

Sheesh Clayster, give it a break.

And all the others, too.

no no discussion i was pointing out the error in his state ment and then attempteing to correct my own error. that is all