Mandalorian Legion???

A couple of folks I've met here and at HVM and I have been kicking around the idea of creating an organization for Mandalorians, similar to what the 501st is to stormtroopers etc. Not to rival them in any way, but to work with them yet still have our own autonomy. Essentially what we need are folks who are passionate about making a group like this happen, and willing to give a small amount of time helping out in any way you can. Mainly though, we just want your input. So should anyone be interested, feel free to contact me here to talk about it, or go to HVM where we have a thread where we've kicked around some ideas-I'll post a link below...Thanks for your time.

http://p201.ezboard.com/fmandalorian...icID=483.topic

You know it sounds like a good idea, but the problem that I see with having the Legion is that the many members would most likely be decentralized. For instance there are not as many Mandolorians out there as there are people from the rest of the Empire. Now if it could be coordinated with the 501st so that the Mando's could take part in 501st events, but still remain autonomous from the 501st then I think that would work. I am not sure that there is a large group of Mandos that are all geographically located near each other, and if there were then the people who are Mandos and are detached from the main group wouldn't have all that much to do. I really do like the idea, but I think that it would be tough if you didn't have garrisons of mandos that are based on region.

I think this would be awesome, but I have to agree DD. It would be difficult if say 4-5 lived in one area, and 40-50 lived in another. I'm sure that something can be played on to make this work, though.

I also want to know what the requirements are if this goes through.

Perhaps a Legion of Sniffers too!

Or a legion of slave Leia's.

Sniff, there's already one of those, their called "the bloodhounds."

The leia thing's a good idea, too. The only problem is that I don't look good in a gold bikini.......don't ask how I know.

I don't think this would be a very good idea, we all ready have TDH. I am a member of the 501st and that's where all of my attention goes to. It'd be impossible to get events, there may only be one custom Mando per location and would never get invites to any kind of events.

I'm not saying you can't make this Mandalorian organization, but if I do end up to be a member of it, I may not be at all active.

Bad idea, and it has been discussed before.

Stormtroopers are more recognizable than Mandalorians, custom or not. And there's more of them.

If a group of Mandos appeared for an event on their own, the first questions from a bystander would be 'what movie were you in'? I know a few custom Mandalorians that decided to quit trooping in their costumes because of all the questions. And they were at a sci-fi event!

The bottom line is, if your character didn't appear onscreen, very few people are going to know what you're all about.

There used to be a bounty-hunter-only club called the 'Phoenix Squadron'. It was later absorbed into the 501st, as there was no real use for a separate club.

Phoenix Squadron has somewhat died, I believe that TDH has taken it's place as the 501st offset to the Bounty Hunters.

I'm in. got no real chance of getting my skirata costume into 501st. and I want ta wear it.

Originally Posted by batninja

Bad idea, and it has been discussed before.

Stormtroopers are more recognizable than Mandalorians, custom or not. And there's more of them.

If a group of Mandos appeared for an event on their own, the first questions from a bystander would be 'what movie were you in'? I know a few custom Mandalorians that decided to quit trooping in their costumes because of all the questions. And they were at a sci-fi event!

The bottom line is, if your character didn't appear onscreen, very few people are going to know what you're all about.

There used to be a bounty-hunter-only club called the 'Phoenix Squadron'. It was later absorbed into the 501st, as there was no real use for a separate club.

With all due seriousness. BatNinja summed it up well. The World recognizes Stormtroopers. You don't even have to see one saga of Star Wars. People just recognize those guy's in the white armor. And a strong presense indeed.

Well, here in Iowa, and more specifically in Des Moines (and some from other cities), the number of customs we have is growing fast. I am done with my V1 custom, which I wore for the first time last Saturday (and got called Jango more times than I can remember, which is fine with me ), and know of one other who is done as well, and maybe even 3 others from talking with a Jedi on Saturday who has a custom and trooped with 2 other customs he knows.
And we've got at least 3 more customs on the way, one pretty much halfway done.
That means about 8 customs, plus Boba. We'll be the Iowa version of the Southern Outpost!

Even if you're not called to events, it really is a GREAT time to hang out with other Mando's in costume, despite what the public reaction. Plus, kids might be too awestruck with all the Mando's to even ask who you are.

Not to mention the security risk. You're walking around in unrecognizable armour carrying weapons in public.

And probably not invited, either.

Personally, I expected more positive responses to this. As far as custom Mandalorians go, just in my area I've met three or four folks creating custom Mandalorians and as the popularity grows, I suspect there will be many more. Especially after all the new information coming about in books such as "Hard Contact," "Triple Zero," and "Bloodlines"-with at least a couple more books dealing with the subject on the way. And if folks at Sci-Fi/Star Wars conventions cannot distinguish Boba Fett from a custom, then what do they actually know to begin with. So I'd have no problems just answering their questions, schooling them on the finer points of the Star Wars EU the best I can...Another thing kinda shocked me, was that folks acted like a custom Mando at a Star Wars/Sci Fi/RPG convention was a rarity. Which I found funny as I just looked at a couple pics of this past summers DragonCon, where there were at least 20 Custom Mandalorians present in the photo. Maybe that was a fluke. I just think folks are tired of the status quo, having 50 Boba's or jangos or stormtroopers at the same convention would tend to get a little bland-I know it would be for me. So folks are becoming more creative, branching out to other characters from the films, writing detailed and elaborate back-stories for their Mando personas. As far as the 501st is concerned. I emailed one of the leaders of a local garrison a while back about joining as a custom and I was told that customs basically need not apply.Which is why our growing community has been kicking around the idea about going off in our own direction, picking up those interested- and interest is growing. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what comes about from all this...

Well speaking for myself. I no that the SW thing isnt quite as big here in the UK as it is over the pond. I have a great bunch of friends who play on SWG corbantis. **** my history teachers class is full of star wars stuff and he admits he play "an" online game so hes prob there too. But there arent many events in the Uk as far as stuff like this goes. I would be all for it but it just sux that the UK doesnt do as much stuff like this and therefore it aint as popular and/or recognised

woopsies forgot that hot firey place was a swear :P

Just dress up in custom gear and go to all the 501st events.

What are they gonna do? Remove you from the premises?

501st doesn't care if you show up to events in custom gear. You can wear whatever you want. The only time that comes into question is at "official" events, where we're sponsored by Lucasfilm or for high profile type things where the general public only recognizes movie suits, and therefore all troops are asked to wear those instead of their customs.

They may not care but I would suggest not just busting in and "crashing someone's party" as JoNich sounds to be suggesting. Its always best to talk to the person setting up the event and ask if it's a problem. 9 times out of 10 it wouldn't be.

I apologize if my retort was less than polite at best and downright snide at the worst. I just felt that as interest in creating a "custom" Mandalorian kit, and Mandalorians in general for that matter, is very much on the rise and perhaps it's our turn to make our own niche in the SW EU. I guess I felt perplexed that it sounded like there was resistance to a organized Mandalorian group being formed. I could very well be incorrect, but that's what I felt at the time. Again, I apologize if anyone was offended.

HA HA Chris got called Boba and Jango. I witnessed him being called that.

Originally Posted by Dha Syntir

I just felt that as interest in creating a "custom" Mandalorian kit, and Mandalorians in general for that matter, is very much on the rise and perhaps it's our turn to make our own niche in the SW EU. I guess I felt perplexed that it sounded like there was resistance to a organized Mandalorian group being formed.

I had a Very Stupid Idea: Creating an Opera (or a musical comedy) taking place in the Star Wars universe, with only Custom and Canon Mandalorians characters, and performed in Mando'a.

My idea is stupid, but look when you go at the Opera House: most of the time, the play is in an outsider language (especially Italian). In some opera houses, there is even subtitles!

Performing an Opera like that will be very difficult, but if we achieve it, I am sure that there is chances that the 501st will accept us, but the number of Mandalorians fans will coniderably increase, and at least a stronger community will rise.

Is there some ideas for the scenario / era / music sources?
I love Andrew Lloyd Weber's music. perhaps we could name something like "the Mandalorian of the Opera"?

Oya Manda! *****symphonic music*****

Originally Posted by skirata

I'm in. got no real chance of getting my skirata costume into 501st. and I want ta wear it.

Hey Skirata, you got any pics of your costume? I can't remember seeing anywhere. Just finished reading Karen Traviss's book and would love to see a version of Skirata's costume

Originally Posted by Commander Glover

I had a Very Stupid Idea: Creating an Opera (or a musical comedy) taking place in the Star Wars universe, with only Custom and Canon Mandalorians characters, and performed in Mando'a.

My idea is stupid, but look when you go at the Opera House: most of the time, the play is in an outsider language (especially Italian). In some opera houses, there is even subtitles!

Performing an Opera like that will be very difficult, but if we achieve it, I am sure that there is chances that the 501st will accept us, but the number of Mandalorians fans will coniderably increase, and at least a stronger community will rise.

Is there some ideas for the scenario / era / music sources?
I love Andrew Lloyd Weber's music. perhaps we could name something like "the Mandalorian of the Opera"?

Oya Manda! *****symphonic music*****

Lets not get overly dramatic... What's wrong with custom Mandos wanting to start their own organization that it's gotten folks to go out of the way to point out that people will be afraid of us and the like, and that folks putting on these conventions will frown on custom Mandos making appearances. Which boggles the mind as I see photos of custom Mandos in groups of 20 or more, taking group pics at the conventions alot...I just see quite a few people simply getting bored with the status quo and want to venture into a new area of the Star Wars EU costuming etc. What's so wrong with that?

There is no problems! I totally agree with you to create a mando association, but I was just throwing an idea in order to promote Mandalorian culture and custom mandos over the world. Some movies, or musical comedies, have changed mental attitudes. If this is the time to rise, so we must act, and don't stay sitting on a chair, waiting after the "3 Canon sources" necessary for the 501st.

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Guys, Dha Syntir has some good ideas. If you don't like them, that's ok. There is no need to moch him.

One thing I do want to clarify that was brought up twice in this thread. TDH is not a costuming club, we did not take the place of Phoenix squadron nor are we the Mandalorian or Bounty Hunter detatchement of the 501st. We are not a part of the 501st. We are a resource for people wanting to make Boba, Jango, Zam, and Dented Variant costumes, but we are not a club or a costuming organization like the 501st or the Rebel Legion.

I think that since this is a topic that is geared towards the Dented Variants, I'm going to go ahead and move this thread there.

I've talked to Ceeric, one guy who's been working this idea as well, and part of it would be custom Clone troopers since they are mando'ade. It would be custom legion, but you can also have cannon stuff. I think it would be fun. so what if some people don't recognize it, WHO CARES?! I go to parties for fun, and wearing some armor is fun. The TDH is great for working on making up a good costume, but like Mirax said, this isn't a club like the 501st. We could use this group to get together and help with each other's armor, go paintballing, having airsoft battles, and going to conventions. The 501st does events with the Rebel Legion all the time, and there are alot of other costuming groups out there as well, so why not? It's for fun after all!

I think seeing a group of 10 or more at someplace like DC would be cool.

any progress on starting a mando legion???i am highly interested in joing much like many of the fine costume builders within these hallowed forums. i would like to see some kind of organization arise for us much like the 501st, like many have stated customs are growing in number and popularity so some form of unity would really be very helpfull and gratifying for some of the builders. also are there any builders within saginaw, bay city or midland michingan here or some where close because it gets very lonely up here in the snow lol

Well I think that the resistance to the Mandalorian Super Commando's might have made some folks not want to walk into a tense conversation. I made the mistake of not posting the thread here rather than in the Sarlaac's den. I'm betting it would have been better received here, but who knows...We've been talking about getting the MSC up and running at the Heroes, Villains, and Mandalorians forum as well as here. I can get you a link if you'd like-just PM me with your request and I'll get you the url...I'd also like to have about 10 customs at the DC convention(which I was unaware of) like Asok suggested. It'd be super cool to have one of our groups Jango, Boba, or even Jaster led in by an "honor guard" of Super Commandos escorting him into and around the convention...It'd also be cool to choreograph "Dha Werda Verda" and perform it at a future convention. Wouldn't that just be incredibly awesome? It'd certainly make my decade!

What I'd like to ask of those of you interested in joining, please start helping us kick around ideas for the group. If you have any skills that would be useful to the MSC's in any way, please let us know...Since it's pretty much just a handful of people, we can use all the help we can get...Thanks!

Happy Holidays!

You are all welcome to stop by Mando'ade (Man-do-ah-day)

http://z6.invisionfree.com/Mando_ade

That area is just a discussion area where the two or three Command Staff for the group discuss basic costume reqs. Nothing top secret in there.

It might even be cool to choreograph our entrance to the main area of the convention, one with several exits no doubt. If we could clear it with the promoters first of course. Anyway, we come in pairs trailing behind a Boba or Jango who at a certain point gives silent hand signals and a pair will fan out to flank a certain entrance, keeping this up until Boba reaches a certain area with a pair remaining with Boba/Jango to watch his back and yada,yada,yada...It was just a random thought, but perhaps we could work something out along those lines one of these days...Oh, and I just registered over at Mando'ade. Hopefully I'll be able to check out the board later this evening when I get the chance...

Happy Holidays!

Well, at least don't forget Jaster. I've noticed that even Jango at conventions gets called Boba every so often, I used to be a jango and witnessed it first hand. Now, as someone who is working on a Jaster costume, I'm more of a fan of EU Mandalorians who have been pictured in comics or who have had their costume described in some detail in the books. I'm not bashing the customs but, it would be nice to see more variety other than repainted Jango and Boba costumes with everyone dented in the same place or the Mythosaur Skull spattered all over the armor. I love it when I see a costume that has had some real thought in it, such as a few of the Jodo Kasts that I have seen around the boards with every detail true to the comic book pictures. Keep up the great work everyone and take pride in your creativity, just know what the symbols you are using mean and have an explanation for them.

ok guys i love the variants and diffrent Mandos... yea most people don;t know what a Mando is, i gota say "Fett, yea he's a mando" then they get it....

but we gota start change the armor then. more then placement but like the general outlook. i divided the chest plate and made my own. I put templates up for Kade armor, take it and keep moddoing it. I think people see the armor not the colors and they go "o its boba, but diffrent".

well thats my 2 cents at least. i say we start change up the armor!

o yea, i;m in So Cal. any other varients around me?

I'd love to go to DC, but I don't my parents will let me go out of state, even for C4 Of course, unless they wanted to come along. They're fun people, albeit a bit weird, but fun nontheless

I'm working on getting some armor up and running, but I need to get my prop business up and running (more info in a couple months, you gonna love it!) to fund it. Syntir, I'd love to join and heko out as much as possible, and I've already been talking (albeit with only a couple PM's at CT.N) with Ceeric.

and you gonna ne PMed here in a moment about that link

PM sent back your way...

Oh, I forgot to request: sorry for my lack of mando culture, I'm quite new. Does "Dha Werda Verda" already exists? If yes, so what are the theme/words?

http://www.lucasarts.com/games/swrep...mando/hud.html

Da Werda Verda - The Shadow Warriors

Go to the link above and you can even download the mp3s.

Ya, but what about the steps? or is it just random. I've read the books, and I'm rereading them, but I'm not sure if it's a set pattern of foot work and movements or it's just random and going to the beat, and being careful to avoid being hit, ect, ect, ect

As far as I know, no one has of yet tried to choreograph Dha Werda Verda and I know no more than what we've read in Triple Zero. We do have the words/lyrics, and the basic motions and intonation from the books as well. So we would have to make up some of the motions here and there. I think fiberglass chest armor would be appropriate as anything else would end dented and/or broken on the trash heap. I even think Karen Traviss would even be helpful with tips and questions once we explain what our thoughts are. She seems to be very attentive about communicating with fans on her message boards-I was surprised she answered my post even though it was my first time there...I guess the main question you must ask yourself if you want to be one of the few performing Dha Werda Verda is: Do you have rhythm? If you don't you're going to be bashing your buddies in the jaw, ending in the accidental bash upside your head or out and out retaliation ending in your having a split lip and a black eye in return to match those unfortunate Mandalorians on either side of you... It may very well be a challenge, but I hope I don't hear that it'd be impossible until it's at least been attempted once...

Happy Holidays!