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    Feb 6, 2009, 10:53 PM - Re: SEND IN THE CLONES - TDH Opens a Clone Trooper Forum! #26

    Well I just had a talk with The Dent about the situation, and the explanation presented made a lot of sense. I'm not going to go too far into detail, because the conversation was private.

    I say just give it some time, and as what was explained to me, if the Clones section really takes off, it may branch off of TDH and become a sister site.
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    Feb 6, 2009, 10:57 PM - Re: SEND IN THE CLONES - TDH Opens a Clone Trooper Forum! #27

    Quote GCNgamer128 said: View Post
    I still don't agree that there is a demand for another Clone site.. What I notice is that people post their build up threads here on The Dented Helmet, 501stforums.com, Clone-Empire.com, and Clonetroopers.net;
    I think that there are some of us that would prefer to just stick to this board and not really get out to the other clone forums much.

    One of the things I really like about TDH is that the admins run a REALLY tight ship.

    I also really like that this ISN'T a 501st related board. I think it's good to NOT have to worry about Legion drama.

    Quote GCNgamer128 said: View Post
    While I see it's all ready too late to turn back, I would prefer that if TDH would have an open floor debate on such changes to the forum. We are all members of the community, and I think that the membership should be permitted to give their input before such changes are implemented.
    I also disagree with that... on the "tight ship" note, I LOVE that TDH does NOT get mired in debate. There are decisions here I don't disagree with, but I like that better than having 12 page long debates.
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    Feb 6, 2009, 11:52 PM - Re: SEND IN THE CLONES - TDH Opens a Clone Trooper Forum! #28

    Quote stormtrooperguy said: View Post
    One of the things I really like about TDH is that the admins run a REALLY tight ship.
    That was one thing explained to me, but I guess I've had a little turn of thought on the subject. We'll see what happens, and I always have been interested in what new costumes you guys come up with
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    Feb 6, 2009, 11:52 PM - Re: SEND IN THE CLONES - TDH Opens a Clone Trooper Forum! #29

    Wow. I leave for a couple of hours, and come back to some very interesting posts!

    To all those who disagree with this move, I hear you and understand your concerns. By and large, they are valid and legitimate. However, NovallTalon hit the nail on the head, with Andy giving a very good follow up. I am not sure how much more I can say that they didn't state very precisely about the growth and life-cycle of a board.

    I do want to make a couple of statements, in hopes of easing the minds of those with concerns.

    1) We are NOT becoming an "ALL STAR WARS COSTUMING" board. I do expect us to continue to grow and expand, but I can never see us becoming that diverse as I do feel we might lose a bit too much of what makes us a success.

    2) IF the clone section were to really take off in a major way, and considering there are two other well established boards in place, I don't see us becoming that popular, we would break it off into a sister site. We would not sit idly by and allow any character to eclipse Boba Fett as the primary draw to TDH.

    3) Every change we have made to TDH over the years have brought about naysayers who predicted doom and gloom. And some people have left because they didn't agree with the direction we have moved. However, I think we have always come out on top (although we have made our share of mistakes) and statistically we have continued to grow at an amazing rate. This isn't said to pat ourselves on the back, but to say that while changes do come, most of our membership seems to agree with it, or to eventually agree with it, or at the very least, eventually be able to live with it. This will be the same.

    On a final note, for all the changes we have made over the years, I have never received so many calls, PMs and emails of support and enthusiasm.
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    Feb 7, 2009, 12:17 AM - Re: SEND IN THE CLONES - TDH Opens a Clone Trooper Forum! #30

    Quote slave1pilot said: View Post

    Your'e kidding, right?

    man , this forum is really going down the tubes.
    I came here for info on Boba, cuz it's "THE DENTED HELMET" forum

    not the
    "EVERY FRIGGIN STAR WARS COSTUME WE CAN THINK OF" forum

    the other costumes have their own forums that do quite well
    Stick to what you do best & don't try to be something you're not.


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    Wow. Well, we had 10,000 posts last month that say we aren't going down the tubes and in fact our stats say that we are doing the exact opposite, we are growing. And you know what we can statistically prove? That each time we have added something new...we have seen growth. The fact is there IS a limit to the Fett knowledge in the universe and unless we do expand, the Dented Helmet has a limited life expectancy. And as for sticking to what we do best...well I would venture to say that what we do best is run and manage the best Star Wars costuming site that is on the internet so I would say that is EXACTLY what we are doing.

    Quote slave1pilot said: View Post
    Because I don't click each section
    i click the "new posts " button
    Must suck to have to sift through all the Jango, Dented Variant, Zam, and Other Star Wars posts How do you ever do it?
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    Feb 7, 2009, 12:22 AM - Re: SEND IN THE CLONES - TDH Opens a Clone Trooper Forum! #31

    I hope my post earlier didnt come off as negative in any way. I personally dont really mind the Clones being added. It could be decided either way and I wouldnt be affected as I dont have a clone suit

    I guess my perspective is of that of a Graphic Artist, which gives me a bit of a different view of branding, names, etc. than most people. I find myself thinking too far into things like that sometimes. The majority of people wouldnt analyze the website name vs. the exact content like I would.

    My post earlier was more just me throwing out a different point of view than anything. I dont mind the clones being around. It will give me more reading material after Ive read all the new Fett posts each time I visit
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    Feb 7, 2009, 12:41 AM - Re: SEND IN THE CLONES - TDH Opens a Clone Trooper Forum! #32

    Quote Andy said: View Post
    We should always look forward and embrace change, and never try to reel away from it.
    Two words for ya - New Coke
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    Feb 7, 2009, 12:46 AM - Re: SEND IN THE CLONES - TDH Opens a Clone Trooper Forum! #33

    Quote Bubba Fett said: View Post
    Two words for ya - New Coke
    That is just mean!
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    Feb 7, 2009, 12:50 AM - Re: SEND IN THE CLONES - TDH Opens a Clone Trooper Forum! #34

    Lol - Ya know I luv this board , just a difference of opinion on direction that's all.

    I'll still be lurking around here. Nothing's gonna change that...
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    Feb 7, 2009, 12:50 AM - Re: SEND IN THE CLONES - TDH Opens a Clone Trooper Forum! #35

    Well, I guess I will add a little of the GILMORE flavor to this sweet melting pot of Lucasfilm love sauce. LOL.

    I think the addition of the clones section is a great advancement for TDH. As I too can understand the negative feeling toward the "necessity" of it on a predominantly Boba Fett forum, we can simply see that it is merely a Sub Forum. For the love of Lucas people, we have 5 subforums simply made for the singular pieces of Boba Fett!!

    So lets hypothesize, and turn on the "Flux Capacitor" and travel into the future and see what could become of the new addition.

    Worst Case Scenario:

    The Clone Forum becomes so active, that a sister site is linked onto TDH homepage and a new flourishing clone entity sweeps the internet by storm, and becomes yet another media beacon for The Dented Helmet Inc.!! HOLY JEE GATS ON KERPLUNKING ALUMINUM BATMAN!!

    So, now, lets digress. Let's say, the Clone Forum gets some activity that becomes mainly a forum where people now and then discuss the validity of paint schemes, different suit styles, weaponary, and background nostalgia of the clones from epi 2 and 3. Whats the deal? So now when you hit the new posts button, you have to wade through a few more posts. But thats the great thing about it. I mean honestly, how many of us Fett builders, on a regular basis, check the Zam forum? How many of us check the Jango forum? And the Custom Characters/EU forum?

    Now how many of you first thing you read is the Sarlacc? or the Cargo Hold?

    So now that you have answered that, is it really a big deal if you scroll past one more forum that you yourself arent going to read to get to the Cargo Hold?

    The Dented Helmet is known for 3 things in cyberspace.

    1: THE DEFINITIVE Boba Fett Costuming resource library...period.

    2: The easiest going board without (atleast too much) bickering/drama, politics, noob bashing, or mod interference (i know some boards whose mods are jerkish Nazi's who will ban you for looking at your PM Send button wrong)

    and lastly 3: The family atmosphere. We ARE a family here. I have some of my best friends, ones I would honestly take a bullet for anytime, that i have met right here on this forum. That is no lie, people are enticed by our lovely forum because of the friendly atmosphere and the welcome arms we offer everyone. So now, why not let the clones join in?

    ......and I need to go to bed now, enjoy, Fett Bless!
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    Feb 7, 2009, 12:56 AM - Re: SEND IN THE CLONES - TDH Opens a Clone Trooper Forum! #36

    Personally, I think we should form a Separatist movement and ATTACK the clones! This is WAR, people!
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    Feb 7, 2009, 1:02 AM - Re: SEND IN THE CLONES - TDH Opens a Clone Trooper Forum! #37

    Quote Gilmore of OK said: View Post
    3: The family atmosphere. We ARE a family here. I have some of my best friends, ones I would honestly take a bullet for anytime, that i have met right here on this forum. That is no lie, people are enticed by our lovely forum because of the friendly atmosphere and the welcome arms we offer everyone. So now, why not let the clones join in?

    ......and I need to go to bed now, enjoy, Fett Bless!
    I guess that's my biggest issue actually. We are a family of like minded individuals, and this is how a community grows. By opening it up, to clones at first, and (let's face it) others in time, it will water it down.

    Eventually "family" will end up being that second cousin twice removed that married his sister, and the uncle that is missing his teeth and has the life sized doll collection ("we just don't invite him to reunions anymore").

    My "new coke" reference was not made lightly. Brand extension can sometimes be a good thing, or it can kill you. When it is not well thought out you will alienate your loyal customers and be left with those who are fickle and will leave when they come across something else new.

    I don't believe Fett has been played out frankly. Over the last 6 months many new discoveries were made. A great discussion just came up about the rocket in fact...

    I love clones, was even building one of my own. But there are no discoveries to be made about them. No mystery as to how they were built, no puzzles to solve, no interesting stories surrounding the design, no anecdotal tales from those who wore the suits. So basically we just have build threads.

    What I love about TDH, besides the family, is the journey of discovery. The discussions with Jeremy, the excitement that comes when a new part is found.

    Perhaps that is the best definition of family -a shared journey. None of that exists with clones.

    Anyway, 'nuff said...
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    Feb 7, 2009, 1:03 AM - Re: SEND IN THE CLONES - TDH Opens a Clone Trooper Forum! #38

    But exactly my point....so if characters here, first began as a subforum on TDH, branched out as independent sites thereafter, why would it be watered down? So one forum, that is added, is then removed, and maybe even replaced by another subforum.

    In retrospect, with the Jango forum, We could probably branch off it as a seperate website known as The Silver Helmet.

    It just doesnt seem like the inbred-ness that seems implied. I see it as a new way to branch out to a new realm of costumers. Yes, I understand there are 2 other clone sites, but honestly, have you been to clonetroopers.net? I tried to help Art in researching his mystery clones lineage....they have NO photographical help to distinguish which clone regiment is which, just text stating a brand of rattle can color. I mean, sooner or later, Boba will reach full completion and we will have proven all pieces as found parts and there will be nothing left to devulge information wise

    Oh, and Art...Maybe if the clones attack Buenos Aires, we could form another Sub Forum....

    bwhahaha....

    "would you like to know more?"
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    Feb 7, 2009, 1:11 AM - Re: SEND IN THE CLONES - TDH Opens a Clone Trooper Forum! #39

    Quote Mirax H said: View Post

    Must suck to have to sift through all the Jango, Dented Variant, Zam, and Other Star Wars posts How do you ever do it?
    It is quite a chore.
    The Variants are the easiest, as most of the titles & authors have some made up names that are easily recognizable as Custom mando. So i can just skip over them.
    The Zam section doesn't get many posts (comparitively) since there are so few chicks that costume
    Ido catch a few of the Jango ones, but i don't really mind too much.
    Thanx for asking.
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    Feb 7, 2009, 1:18 AM - Re: SEND IN THE CLONES - TDH Opens a Clone Trooper Forum! #40

    you know its much easier just to skip all those forums that you dont wanna read, by just checkin the new posts icon on the left of each forum. Then when you click on it, the topics with new posts are bold highlight. Then if it is a topic you are interested in, you can see the new posts, that way you dont have to read like 100 new posts that you dont wanna read.
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    Feb 7, 2009, 1:22 AM - Re: SEND IN THE CLONES - TDH Opens a Clone Trooper Forum! #41

    Quote Gilmore of OK said: View Post
    you know its much easier just to skip all those forums that you dont wanna read, by just checkin the new posts icon on the left of each forum. Then when you click on it, the topics with new posts are bold highlight. Then if it is a topic you are interested in, you can see the new posts, that way you dont have to read like 100 new posts that you dont wanna read.

    For reals?
    i had no idea
    thank you
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    Feb 7, 2009, 1:49 AM - Re: SEND IN THE CLONES - TDH Opens a Clone Trooper Forum! #42

    this is a really interesting conversation. good points all around.

    speaking from personal perspective alone.

    i've darned near played out boba at this point. yeah, i've said it.

    i'm working on my 9th rotj helmet for myself. 9. there's really only so many times i can do another one, making that last scratch just 1mm longer than the last helmet.

    yeah, it was really cool when the mitchell sweep arm discovery came out. but really, that just yielded me spending $40 on a new metal bit that's about 10% larger than its predecessor. that bit will be on my back, where very very few people will ever see it.

    so there are tons of new discoveries, but they really aren't shaking the earth for me.

    following that through, if this board sticks to JUST boba... i guess i'm not long for the board.

    expand that out on the assumption that no-one is unique. someone, somewhere, right now is saying "you know, i think i'm basically done with my boba project".

    then there are the clones. they are as much "mando" as they are stormtrooper, based on books, the cartoon, movies, etc...

    so there's at least some connection there.

    as for no discoveries... no, not really, since there aren't found items.

    instead you get people working on all sorts of new projects. oscs has a couple new helmets and new armor in the works. sci-fire g2 has their helmets and armor. i'm already working on v2 of my animated helmet, and have the arms at least done on my animated sculpt, and have the pistols and holsters in the works.

    so not just build threads, but all sorts of cool projects going on.

    every week new characters come out.

    even on things that have been around for a while, evo3 on ct.net has been doing an amazing cody build, picking up on details never before addressed.

    so there's a lot of "action" in the clone "scene" these days.

    given a choice between CT.net, C-E, and here... i'll pick here every time.

    and come on... the whole reason i did rex vs. another clone was the pre-pro fett eyes,. again tonight i got called boba fett by an adult star wars fan... and he was immediately corrected by the kids saying "who's boba fett? that's CAPTAIN REX!!!"
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    Feb 7, 2009, 7:19 AM - Re: SEND IN THE CLONES - TDH Opens a Clone Trooper Forum! #43

    In all of my years here, I've always been a "New Posts" or what used to be "Latest Posts" kind of guy - it's a great brief overview of what's going on since your last visit

    A Clone Forum? I'm all for TDH growing, without growth there is only stagnation. I'm just not so sure that a Clone Forum is the way to go though
    I'm certainly not going to get all dark and gloomy about it, but from what I've seen - Clone communities seem to have not only the most politics and arguments, but generally attract some of the shadiest characters. And I'm not talking about Star Wars characters either Don't get me wrong, there's a lot fof GOOD people out there that are big into clones. But historically, not as many people are attracted to Fett as they are troopers in general because of the 501st. Anything "trooper", attracts the masses. If TDH is looking to grow by statistics alone it's a sure fire bet it will happen if you invite this But it may get interesting real quick.

    FP
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    Feb 7, 2009, 10:07 AM - Re: SEND IN THE CLONES - TDH Opens a Clone Trooper Forum! #44

    I agree FP. In the past I have spoken with the admins here about growth. I am all for it, as they well know. I also agree, however, that Clones is probably not the best way to do it.

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    Wow. Well, we had 10,000 posts last month that say we aren't going down the tubes and in fact our stats say that we are doing the exact opposite, we are growing.

    Mirax already said that the board has growth, so the move is unnecessary if that is the reason for adding clones. If growth or stagnation is the only issue then why not add costume sections for all SW characters? The Vader boards that I frequent are still coming up with new discoveries. How about stormtrooper and sandtrooper sections?

    When I spoke to the mods about this in the past my input was to support all BH characters and then get the word out about the board. A Google search on "Boba Fett" lists TDH near the bottom of the second results page, several links lower than a site that about a Hello Kitty Boba Fett Tattoo (it's pretty cool actually). Searching on "Boba Fett Costume" is even worse. Skaines and TK409 shows up on the first page, but TDH falls on the middle of page three. So, SEO (Search Engine Optimization) would certainly help get more people here.

    Anyway, this is all moot. This is an announcement thread, not a discussion really. As pointed out earlier, the board has an owner and it is not a democracy. Whether I agree or not I will continue to enjoy the board and the friends I have here. I promise that I will sit down and shut up now...
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    Feb 7, 2009, 11:42 AM - Re: SEND IN THE CLONES - TDH Opens a Clone Trooper Forum! #45

    Quote fettpride said: View Post
    - Clone communities seem to have not only the most politics and arguments, but generally attract some of the shadiest characters.
    FP
    Do you have anything to back this up? Im a mod over on CTN and we havent had any issues to speak of over the past year. Prior to that, we didnt have any issues that arent common for other forums to have, including this one.

    Its ok to have an opinion on the new forum but i dont think comments like the one you made above are very fair or productive. I for one, think its great. I love clones and have been working my way to getting all the parts needed to start on my Fett build. Its good to know that theres a place i can come and have the best of both worlds.
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    Feb 7, 2009, 11:52 AM - Re: SEND IN THE CLONES - TDH Opens a Clone Trooper Forum! #46

    When I was first told of this section I was surprised, but thought it made sense because of the Boba, Jango and Clones tie in, and I didn't give it much thought. And if you think about it, eventually the Star Wars Live Action Series will have some connection, as I'm sure it will show Boba and the Clones in some form of transition...so I think eventually that connection is coming...weather we like it or not.

    BUT, after reading all the posts, good and bad, I think I too am against this change...I don't mean to be nagative, I want to support TDH in anyway that I can, I think my record shows that I do.....But like Bubba Fett said (New Coke theory), if we already have a record increase in membership and posts based on our current format, then why add addtional sections??..Besides I'm sure the majority of our spike in popularity has come from the Boba and Jango section anyway. So our foundation is what makes TDH. Boba.

    I think every other reason I've thought of For or Against has already been mentioned.

    What I will say is, do as I do folks............No offense to the other sections but I have Never been in the Custom Mando section, okay maybe once. But I can say with 100% certainty that I've never clicked on the Zam section ...again no offense...point being If you don't like it, don't click on it.
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    Feb 7, 2009, 12:02 PM - Re: SEND IN THE CLONES - TDH Opens a Clone Trooper Forum! #47

    Quote Bubba Fett said: View Post
    Anyway, this is all moot. This is an announcement thread, not a discussion really. As pointed out earlier, the board has an owner and it is not a democracy. Whether I agree or not I will continue to enjoy the board and the friends I have here. I promise that I will sit down and shut up now...
    Bubba Fett, I have to completely disagree with this paragraph. We welcome these thoughts and comments as it helps us have a finger on the pulse of the community. While TDH is not a democracy, it doesn't mean the comments of our members fall on deaf ears. We appreciate all the comments made in this thread, whether postive or negative. At the end of the day, we, the administration, exist to serve the community. We hope we are doing so with move. Time will tell. Regardless, we do appreciate your comments and concerns.
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    Feb 7, 2009, 12:08 PM - Re: SEND IN THE CLONES - TDH Opens a Clone Trooper Forum! #48

    I am neither completely for nor totally against the expansion into the Clone Trooper realm, I am currently and have in the past, documented my work on Clone projects. I think what is happening here is the board is trying to simply cater to all aspects and broaden its range, it may help attract new members who are initially after making a Boba/Jango/Zam if they also see that they can share their Clone projects as well so why not? As Alex said if you don't want to read it then don't click on it. I admit that I am not at all into EU custom mandos or any of that but they are part of TDH community as much as the Bobas/Jangos

    my 2 cents
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    Feb 7, 2009, 1:08 PM - Re: SEND IN THE CLONES - TDH Opens a Clone Trooper Forum! #49

    Quote Gilmore of OK said: View Post
    Oh, and Art...Maybe if the clones attack Buenos Aires, we could form another Sub Forum....

    bwhahaha....

    "would you like to know more?"


    After the controversy the addition of clones has made, I can't imagine what would happen if the powers that be tried to add a Starship Troopers forum! Just trying to envision the justification for THAT one!
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    Feb 7, 2009, 1:20 PM - Re: SEND IN THE CLONES - TDH Opens a Clone Trooper Forum! #50

    Quote ART ANDREWS said: View Post

    After the controversy the addition of clones has made, I can't imagine what would happen if the powers that be tried to add a Starship Troopers forum! Just trying to envision the justification for THAT one!
    I have dents in my helmet and you sure as heck have had some pretty dented helmets

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    Yes, I would like to know more

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