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  1. Wes is offline Wes
    Jun 26, 2007, 4:46 PM - Re: A New and Disturbing Trend at TDH - ALL PLEASE READ! #26

    Quote hansoloway said: View Post
    It's when the advise or suggestions that we give are not heeded, and questions are re-phrased and asked a 2nd, 3rd or 4th time that the blood pressure of the veteran members, including myself, begins to rise.

    I think hsw nailed it.
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    Jun 26, 2007, 5:52 PM - Re: A New and Disturbing Trend at TDH - ALL PLEASE READ! #27

    Old timers, when it comes to answering the questions over and over again, remember PATIENCE!!!!! You were a newbie once as well, and more than likely annoyed the vets as well.

    Newbies, there is a search option. If you have any questions, then do a search. There is a good chance that your question has already been answered.

    Might I suggest a FAQ section that is stickied at the beginning of each category? Sure it may be tiresome to do, but it might be worth the effort in the long run.
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    Jun 26, 2007, 7:32 PM - Re: A New and Disturbing Trend at TDH - ALL PLEASE READ! #28

    We do have a FAQ that is listed at the top of every page.
  4. Jun 27, 2007, 12:09 AM - Re: A New and Disturbing Trend at TDH - ALL PLEASE READ! #29

    Wow, I have always been under the impression that this is the place to be. I love it! Though, I will be the first to admit that I myself have not spent any real time in any of the specific forum threads, so I am out out of the loop on the day to day minutia that exist.

    I will tell you all though, as a Sarlacc Pit junkie, what I saw at CIV, the bond of the old and new membership, the comadrie, was incredible. It was effortlessly unified. It made me feel very proud to be apart of such an incrediably diverse group of like minded artists. Hell, I dont even have a Fett costume yet, and I know when the time comes to start on my Pre-Pro, I will have the support and help of all you fine exisiting members and, I hope to help inspire new folks as I have been inspired by all of you.

    Oh, I do think a intro thread would be the way to go. That way we can all welcome our new friends on and get everybody settled in nicely!
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    Jun 27, 2007, 3:02 AM - Re: A New and Disturbing Trend at TDH - ALL PLEASE READ! #30

    I think Voltaire said it well. I myself am a Jango, rarely am i looking at boba threads however C4 was a blast meeting EVERYONE! Sure we were all noobs at one point, but let me pull out a mem from c4. A little kid had made a fett suit out of freakin cardboard! Our very own Cruzer gave his bantha skull necklace to this kid why he did this i do not know, but i do know that the little kids face lit up brighter than he sun. In the end we need to treat everyone new and old like the fellow star wars fan that they are. Sure theres the annoying question, and yes SEARCHING is HIGHLY promoted, but it comes down to the fact of why waste time loading a page, typing a rude comment, then loading another page just to post it??? just dont. Mandos (correct me if iim wrong) were known for their comrodery and their honor, (except Vizsla) we need to do the same and live up to our noble name.
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    Jun 27, 2007, 4:11 AM - Re: A New and Disturbing Trend at TDH - ALL PLEASE READ! #31

    I am not going to say much, but I know this isn't a recent issue like everyone makes it out to be, this board has been going on for a while, and when I joined I know there was a problem with this, it just has never been adressed like it has now.

    I don't really feel like a "newbie" but I know I am being spoken down to in some situations.
    I have made the certain amount of posts that used to be the "Respected mark" to where people will listen to what you have to say, and I am not sure if that is enough on this board in some cases.
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    Jun 27, 2007, 6:05 AM - Re: A New and Disturbing Trend at TDH - ALL PLEASE READ! #32

    Perhaps I am wrong and perhaps this wasn't the original intent of the thread, but for those who are saying this isn't something new, I think you might be confusing the lack of response to new members with the dogpiling of new members that seems to have become popular lately. As Brian pointed out, pretty much as long as TDH has been around, there have been complaints of elitism and frustration by new members at the lack of kudos or help from older members. While I think that is unfortunate, you can't MAKE people respond to a thread. However, it seems that here lately, the problem is just the opposite; a new member does something a little out of line and every member, old and new has to crawl out of the woodwork and take a shot at that person. We all make mistakes and as has been said several times in this thread, we were all new once. While I wish older members, myself included, posted more, the major concern I see is the vicious parana like attacks that are made, not the fact that you may not get as many responses as you would like. Just my thoughts.
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    Jun 27, 2007, 7:09 AM - Re: A New and Disturbing Trend at TDH - ALL PLEASE READ! #33

    The mob mentality is the real issue here. It has increased in frequency and it needs to stop. I've seen it happen time and time again where a newbie will say something "quirky" and everyone bashes them on the head. That's hardly the family atmosphere we're going for here.
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    Jun 27, 2007, 7:15 AM - Re: A New and Disturbing Trend at TDH - ALL PLEASE READ! #34

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    For whatever its worth, it doesn't seem all that new to me. Evolved a bit, but not new...

    The vibe I got from the board was that it was a group of folks that all knew each other, and that they weren't really interested in new people.

    I also felt as though folks that knew each other would always reply to each other, but ignore most other people.

    This is a good summation of how I felt initially in regards to some of "the veterans" and sometimes I still get the vibe. There is definitely a group of people that forms like the "in-crowd" here at TDH, the people who for whatever reason are the most knowledgable, talented, whatever. Now this is just with some of "the veteran" members. For every senior member like that there is someone who is super nice and welcoming.

    And on the opposite side there are new people here who are just ridiculous as far as their posting habits and maturity level.

    I think you'll always have these two "problem areas" to deal with. And as the board grows you'll get more of both.

    Like was said before, everyone aught to take a moment when posting to ask themselves if they end up coming off like a jerk or not. And if thats the case, reword your post, or don't post the message.

    I wish I could have been more help.

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    I still like this place. I just wish I could get a girth belt from someone already!
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    Jun 27, 2007, 7:37 AM - Re: A New and Disturbing Trend at TDH - ALL PLEASE READ! #35

    As webchief pointed out, this thread really isn't about the whole "in crowd" issue, but being a member who has been here from day one, I want to touch on this, if from no other perspective than my own. I will not make excuses or try to justify actions but from very early on their have been accusations of an "in" crowd and of "elitism." While I understand that in a few cases that does happen, I think the thing that most people, especially newer members, fail to understand is that there isn't so much a clique as it is a group of friends who have grown very close over the last 6-7 years. Do your close friends get a little more attention than strangers? Yeah... they do. Should they? That is debatable. The point is that what most people seem to see as a "select" group excluding others is simply a web of friendships that go far beyond this virtual container spilling over into the online community. Again, I am not trying to justify ignoring any member. It simply shouldn't be done and any member, old or new who sees a question posed but unanswered should make an effort to answer, but it is a group effort and no one should be looking for affirmation from a certain individual or certain group of individuals. This board is about answers, not about getting kudos from the "old guard."
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    Jun 27, 2007, 7:49 AM - Re: A New and Disturbing Trend at TDH - ALL PLEASE READ! #36

    [ Our very own Cruzer gave his bantha skull necklace to this kid why he did this i do not know, but i do know that the little kids face lit up brighter than he sun. In the end we need to treat everyone new and old like the fellow star wars fan that they are. Sure theres the annoying question, and yes SEARCHING is HIGHLY promoted, but it comes down to the fact of why waste time loading a page, typing a rude comment, then loading another page just to post it??? just dont. Mandos (correct me if iim wrong) were known for their comrodery and their honor, (except Vizsla) we need to do the same and live up to our noble name.[/quote]


    That little kid working with cardboard may soon become a young man working with fiberglass. I'm more of a FNG (Freaking New Guy) and I have yet to actually finish my helmet, much less the entire costume, but PLEASE encourage people, old-timers or newbies, with their projects.

    As someone pointed out, you never know who will come up with a new way of making something, find some new info about anything Star Wars or just be a gung-ho member.

    A can-do attitude and resourcefulness have been the very things that achieve results.

    Please, let's respect each others creativity, drive and accomplishments. I hope I NEVER say anything derogatory or negative about someone's costume whether it be a spot on recreation of Jango, Boba, Zam or a custom Mando. It takes time, money, energy plus a lot of paint, bondo and insanity to attempt any costume like this. Let's remember to have some fun with this, respect other people's opinions and creative differences and remember to cut everyone some slack because:

    "Slack is the grease upon which the wheels of the world do turn." Al Camp.

    Rock on and keep making those costumes everyone!
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    Jun 27, 2007, 8:00 AM - Re: A New and Disturbing Trend at TDH - ALL PLEASE READ! #37

    Quote Mirax H said: View Post
    We do have a FAQ that is listed at the top of every page.
    I'm not talking about a FORUM FAQ. I'm talking about a COSTUME FAQ
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    Jun 27, 2007, 8:14 AM - Re: A New and Disturbing Trend at TDH - ALL PLEASE READ! #38

    I guess I am not understanding what you are wanting by a costume FAQ.
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    Jun 27, 2007, 9:24 AM - Re: A New and Disturbing Trend at TDH - ALL PLEASE READ! #39

    Being old guard in the 501st and helping other prop and costume boards get started, I have always admired the TDH. I have admired the people and the wealth of knowledge here.

    I used to think there was some "elitist attitude" here and shied away from the boards, but lurked like crazy because the knowledge was astounding. I knew that if I wanted to make the best costume possible I was going to have to get my feet wet.

    Much to my surprise, this board welcomed me with open arms. I found out something very quickly here. Sincere comments on people efforts and their threads, contributing as well as asking and being patient were the lifeblood.

    I have never had one of the "old guards" snob me, nor shy away from my questions. My post count is low, so what. I am an executive officer on two 501st boards and I understand what the admin goes through, so I err on the side of business should I need their attention. They have never let me down.

    This board is its members. Lucasfilm hasnt handed anyone here a golden book of all things Fett/Mando, its the diligence of the membership.

    Patience, contribution and friendliness are what will breed the community. Be wise with the new folks and new folks gleam your hearts out.

    You get what you give.
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    Jun 27, 2007, 12:00 PM - Re: A New and Disturbing Trend at TDH - ALL PLEASE READ! #40

    Apparently my initial post lacked a bit of clarity regarding our expectations of how members treat one another as we just had to lock yet another flame fest. Let me make this perfectly clear; stop dogpiling. Stop makes snide comments. Stop taking pot shots and sideswipes. Stop making vicious criticisms. Stop being venomous, bitter and nasty to one another. Stop pouncing on one another when someone makes a mistake. Stop acting like animals, turning on an injured brother. If you have nothing helpful to add then don't post. You nasty comment aren't funny, cool, clever or witty. We have tried to be nice about this and approach this in a calm manner, but we will not allow a minority of you, who clearly lack an acceptable level of interpersonal relationship skills, to drag the rest of the board down. If you feel you can't act in a civil manner, perhaps TDH is not the place for you. If you continue to act in this manner, you will be banned. Period. Consider this your warning.
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    Jun 27, 2007, 1:38 PM - Re: A New and Disturbing Trend at TDH - ALL PLEASE READ! #41

    Quote Brak's Buddy said: View Post
    While I wish older members, myself included, posted more, the major concern I see is the vicious parana like attacks that are made, not the fact that you may not get as many responses as you would like. Just my thoughts.
    after re-reading my own post, i don't think i made my point well...

    what i was going for was more to say that i think the pack-attack is a newish twist on the sort of clique-ish thing that's gone on for a long time.

    in my time here it's always been that the folks who know each other in real life tend to interact more with one and other. in the past, that interaction came in the form of people talking amongst themselves and ignoring people they didn't know.

    the newer packs just seem more aggressive.

    i guess what i'm saying is that if there's a way to address the pack mentality that's at the core of both the attacks and the sense of new people being shunned, that it would make everyone feel more welcome, and perhaps serve to prevent issues down the line.

    in most communities i've been part of, people attack the strangers but defend "their own", so the key is to make people be part of the latter category as quickly as possible
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    Jun 27, 2007, 2:07 PM - Re: A New and Disturbing Trend at TDH - ALL PLEASE READ! #42

    I think we all need more events to gather at and meet each other face to face. I think that will help do away with with the feeling of exclusion that has been referenced. I am making a strong effort to see if there is any way for myself to make it to one or more of the major events upcoming. I look forward to any improvement to the community regardless of where we each perceive it to be currently, there is always room for improvement. I hope we can all do that.

    -x
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    Jun 27, 2007, 2:09 PM - Re: A New and Disturbing Trend at TDH - ALL PLEASE READ! #43

    Is there going to be a DCon booth for TDH?
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    Jun 27, 2007, 2:14 PM - Re: A New and Disturbing Trend at TDH - ALL PLEASE READ! #44

    Mirax is working on something, I don't think it's a booth though, not sure she has given out details yet.

    -x
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    Jun 27, 2007, 5:14 PM - Re: A New and Disturbing Trend at TDH - ALL PLEASE READ! #45

    I am working on some "things". Details will be forthcoming soon in the Sarlacc Pit.
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    Jun 27, 2007, 5:32 PM - Re: A New and Disturbing Trend at TDH - ALL PLEASE READ! #46

    Quote Mirax H said: View Post
    I am working on some "things". Details will be forthcoming soon in the Sarlacc Pit.
    Well, if Mirax is working on it, it'll rock!


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    Jun 27, 2007, 5:52 PM - Re: A New and Disturbing Trend at TDH - ALL PLEASE READ! #47

    Quote MandalorFett said: View Post
    Well, if Mirax is working on it, it'll rock!


    :o Thank you
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    Jun 27, 2007, 7:19 PM - Re: A New and Disturbing Trend at TDH - ALL PLEASE READ! #48

    Quote eighteendelta said: View Post
    I think we all need more events to gather at and meet each other face to face.
    Being a Celebration 4 made me question a few things. I'd rather not meet some people twice after meeting them at CIV.
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    Jun 27, 2007, 7:29 PM - Re: A New and Disturbing Trend at TDH - ALL PLEASE READ! #49

    I understand that it was tried once before.

    Would it help out now if we had a chat room on TDH?

    IMHO. I think it would give both old and new members a chance to kinda get to know each other better.

    Just my .02 cents.
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    Jun 27, 2007, 7:31 PM - Re: A New and Disturbing Trend at TDH - ALL PLEASE READ! #50

    Quote Mirax H said: View Post
    I guess I am not understanding what you are wanting by a costume FAQ.
    I think (if this is not what it is already) that it would be good to have a FAQ that lists all things about that particular topic that we know.

    For example: In the Shin Tools and Blasters section, the FAQ section that is a stick would include info like:
    ESB base of the blaster was a Webley & Scott Flare gun with a ASI scope, molex connectors....etc.

    or in the Helmet section it would say:
    Borden hole connector was used for the check, the MQ-1 calculator was used in the back key hole slots....etc.

    Something that is well known to be found parts, fabrics, details, web links to companies that may sell these original parts, even templets, sewing patterns, and blueprints all in the FAQ to answer a lot of newbie questions and just have the info readly available for 'old timers'.

    Being on this board as long as I have, I have noticed that orginization is the best method for those whom have questions. As a newbie, you may not know what to search for, and it sometimes is just easier to make a new thread.

    Just my 2 cents (though it may be off topic...)
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