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    May 18, 2006, 12:26 PM - Using gel-coat #1

    OK folks,

    I'm making a cast of my heavily modified Kelloggs Clone using the RTV silicone mold I made.

    To make a good cast I want to use a gel-coat lining. Do I need to let it fully cure before applying the layers of fibreglass?

    How thick should the layer be? Should I "paint" it on or use another method?

    Your advice would be most appreciated!

    Thanks

    Dan
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    May 18, 2006, 1:51 PM - Re: Using gel-coat #2

    Quote mandalore697 said:
    Do I need to let it fully cure before applying the layers of fibreglass?

    How thick should the layer be? Should I "paint" it on or use another method?

    Dan
    A good rule of thumb to follow is that if you can touch the gel coat and it feels tacky but NONE comes off on your glove then your ready to apply the second layer.
    You don't have to go to thick, 2 coats that cover evenly will do fine. I personally always use a cheap paint brush to apply my gel coat. When I'm done, I squeeze out the extra gelcoat from the brissles and store it in a paint can full of acetone.

    Hope this helps,

    MS
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    May 23, 2006, 2:16 PM - Re: Using gel-coat #3

    Thanks MS.

    Any idea how much gelcoat would be needed for a helmet?
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    May 23, 2006, 3:39 PM - Re: Using gel-coat #4

    2 4-5oz layers will do you fine for a clone trooper bucket.
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    May 23, 2006, 4:04 PM - Re: Using gel-coat #5

    Quote mandalore697 said:
    OK folks,

    I'm making a cast of my heavily modified Kelloggs Clone using the RTV silicone mold I made.

    To make a good cast I want to use a gel-coat lining. Do I need to let it fully cure before applying the layers of fibreglass?

    How thick should the layer be? Should I "paint" it on or use another method?

    Your advice would be most appreciated!

    Thanks

    Dan
    I am looking to do something similar with a custom sculpt and would love it if you took progress shots of your casting method!
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    May 23, 2006, 11:48 PM - Re: Using gel-coat #6

    From my experience the best results come from using an air gun. Spray a very light coat over the mould, but thick enough that you can't see the mould underneath. Let it dry about 5 min and then apply the fg. If you let it dry too long it won't stick to the fg and will peel. Also, just apply one layer of glass as the gelcoat will shrivel from the heat of the resin.

    I've found it easier to forgoe the gelcoat and just thicken either epoxy or polyester resin and brush that on as a first coat. Comes out very nice.
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    May 24, 2006, 9:31 AM - Re: Using gel-coat #7

    Dan

    I am taking a trip over to a company called Marplas next Saturday (they are based near County Hall just off the southern by-pass). They specialise in moulding and are going to advise me on exactly how to make the female mould and on making FG copies from the moulds. I will gladly share the info i get with you.

    Let me know if there are still any questions you need answering and i will try to find out the answers next weekend.

    btw thanks for your tips you have shared so far with me

    Jon
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    May 24, 2006, 1:20 PM - Re: Using gel-coat #8

    Quote Ronin677 said:
    Dan

    I am taking a trip over to a company called Marplas next Saturday (they are based near County Hall just off the southern by-pass). They specialise in moulding and are going to advise me on exactly how to make the female mould and on making FG copies from the moulds. I will gladly share the info i get with you.

    Let me know if there are still any questions you need answering and i will try to find out the answers next weekend.

    btw thanks for your tips you have shared so far with me

    Jon
    Jon,

    That would be great! That would be some experience to actually go and be shown/told what to do.

    My only questions were whetehr its best to paint it on, what sort of thickness it should be and how much would be needed, basically everything in this thread!

    I'm glad I could help you out too.

    Cheers

    Dan
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    May 24, 2006, 3:04 PM - Re: Using gel-coat #9

    Do folks generally use GelCoat for the top, exposed layer, then back it with fiberglass AND polyester resin? Or just use Gel Coat and Fiberglass?
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    May 24, 2006, 5:12 PM - Re: Using gel-coat #10

    Quote TD-1536 said:
    Do folks generally use GelCoat for the top, exposed layer, then back it with fiberglass AND polyester resin? Or just use Gel Coat and Fiberglass?
    And to add to this question....do you put down a release agent of some kind
    before you put in the gelcote ?
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    May 26, 2006, 11:53 PM - Re: Using gel-coat #11

    Anyone ?
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    May 27, 2006, 1:05 AM - Re: Using gel-coat #12

    If you're using a silicone mold, there really is no need for a release agent when pulling polyester. If you're concerned about the life of your molds, a release can extend the production life of the mold, but it's not needed because of the releasing properties of the silicone. If you're casting gypsum or cement that is a different story, use a release agent as that's harder on the molds than polyester. I tend to not use a release when I'm pulling polyester because it can get a bit too slippery for the gelcoat layer on sharp detail where it won't stay in place and slides off before it sets up for your lamination layer.

    The order you're looking for is gelcoat first, then your fiberglass mat or cloth, and you're polyester. The polyester is used to saturate the fibrglass mat/cloth and make it stick to the gelcoat layer (lamination). Fiberglass reinforced.

    FP
    Last edited by fettpride; May 27, 2006 at 1:13 AM.
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    May 27, 2006, 1:08 AM - Re: Using gel-coat #13

    FORUM HICKUP - *DOUBLE POST*
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    May 27, 2006, 9:08 AM - Re: Using gel-coat #14

    Thanks FP. :thumbup

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