Has any body made a lid from a saucepan....
Discussion on Taking a cast from a mystery helmet within the Prop Building Workshop forum, part of the Community category; Has any body made a lid from a saucepan....
Has any body made a lid from a saucepan....
Last edited by BANDITZ; 07-05-2005 at 12:20 PM. Reason: trying to keep sad people happy......
You want to re-cast a Mystery Helmet? I really wouldn't advise doing that if I were you. Re-casting is against TDH policies.
The best way to make a mould of a Mystery Helmet is to actually put your sculpting skills to the test and make your own helmet to cast. That way you will have the satisfaction of being able to say you did it all. Anyone can make a cast of someone elses work but at what cost? Your reputation is worth more then being known as another shotty recaster.
I'm not acually going to do it.....i don't have the resources or the time...i just wondered how people do it....i allready own a mystery helmet 75% com........i also got a hybrid helmet which will be a jango helmet....... cheers .................Originally Posted by E2K13
who owns the rights to the mystery lid........who made it ???????????????????Originally Posted by webchief
Richy.....i'm not a sculptor im a sheetmetal worker............Originally Posted by E2K13
Kinda funny that someone with the screen name "BANDITZ" wants to recast someone elses work. My bad, that's right you were just wondering how to do it, you weren't actually going to do it.
If you're a sheet metal worker I think that you should try your hand at making a scratch built with metal. That is something that I want to do someday, after my suit is complete and I decide to start upgrading.
so you saying every member TDH has made his own helmet from scratch.....lol.....where do they get the lids from ...some body must make them..... or do they all plant seeds in the ground & wait for them to grow.......
No, he's just saying that you don't say you're interested in recasting another board member's sculpt. Most buy the buckets from the member who made it, buy it on Ebay OR sculpt their own.
hey i may just suprise you......only thing thats difficult is the dome.....the compond curves are to tight......it would take weeks to pound it out.....& alot of patience....which i dont have
i've just bought 2 helmets from the US.....a mystery sized & a hybrid....i've allready posted both pics.......check them out.........& i must say they are mint..........
That's not what they are saying. You asked how to recast a helmet. I'm sure that has raised many an eyebrow. You also said you were a sheet metal worker and someone suggested you make one out of metal rather than recast. Several of our members make great helmets. Some of us have gotten them through them, some through ebay. Personally, a metal helmet would be pretty cool.
Originally Posted by BANDITZ
Wow. He asked a question and was jumped all over from his question to his choice of names. What gives? I would love to know how recasting is done, but I have been so deathly afraid of being jumped on and banned that I remain silent.
:puke hmmm....all i wanted to know that when you cast a helmet from plaster fibreglass etc......is the helmet made in 1 piece........or is it cast in several componants....then stuck together.................
I think what we have here is failure to comunicate.
It apears to be your choice of words, or one word in this case "recast". Recasting is frowned upon because it means you are taking someone elses work and making copies of it, in most cases to sell those copies. This could be viewed as steeling as someone put a large amount of work into making the original helmet that they then made a casting of. Maybe your question was: "How does one make a mold to cast a helmet?". This question would not have prompted as much tension as the "REcast" word has.
if you read the message to my question it says ..........CAST.........
Also, I have thought about making a metal bucket myself and I would take a shortcut on the dome part as others who have made scratch built helmets have done. Try using something that already resembles a metal dome, like a stainless mixing bowl or something similar.
And if we try to look at what your original question was it now says:
Nothing to do with casting a mystery helmet.Originally Posted by BANDITZ
Well, now we can't read it because you'd edited the original message to say something totally different.
trust me i've been looking........the only thing that come close was a motor guard from a 8ft brake press & 1/3rd of it was perforated......my quest is ongoing....
i dont know anything about casting things.......thats why i was asking.........richard
The Code of Conduct clearly states that:
Let's keep the language clean.Cursing and the use of obscenities is prohibited. Additionally, adding "@" or "#" or "$" or "%" or "*" or "-" or any other character in place of letters in curse words do NOT make those words acceptable to post. Keep it clean or keep it off the board.
Last edited by Art Andrews; 07-05-2005 at 01:59 PM. Reason: "Colorful" language is not allowed
which on that note...it will give u something to talk about over the next few weeks
Here we go again...
Read this and you'll understand why people including myself were "interested" in your choice of words:
And before you go joining a forum and insulting people on it... why don't you think first? Its certainly not a great way to get the help you're seeking.
any chance seeing a pic of ur scratch built helmet.......
No, sorry there isn't as I don't own one. I purchased a helmet off a fellow board member and painted it myself. I never said that I sculpted my own or that sculpting one was your only option.
but i never said re-cast.....my question clearly states ...CAST......as in cast off....as in movie cast.....as in plaster cast........lovely smashin super
Let's say that you didn't say "recast" we don't have it in writing any more so we can't be 100% sure. You are still asking how to "copy" a Mystery helmet, that, my freind, is "RECASTING". No one here has attacked you, only trying to politely inform you that what you are asking to know how to do is against the policies of this forum and frowned upon by most in this hobby. You then make accusations and call people names. If anyone needs to get a grip and stop crying it would have to be you.
hmmmm.....thats right this is just a hobby not the spanish inquisition.......but i still havnt been answered on how to make a cast from a helmet u make ur self.....i dont want all the text book details i'm just curious how the fibreglass helmets are made....is this so difficult to understand...ur making a mountian outa a mole hill.....carnt you answer my question....if you carn't ...then ok......it dosn't realy matter....but you realy wanna calm down....i dont even get this much **** from the law......BCB
wey hey.....just sussed how to get avatar on..........
it must be ok for you to say that word........unless you use it as an answer to a question .......never mind...it'll all come out in the wash......Originally Posted by webchief
Don't wish to preach but you might wanna watch the language, read the CoC, the dent doesn't take kindly to swearing, or dissing or antagonising other members.
never been on 1 of these chat things b4...my lad set it up for me.....i've got the info i needed about the kill stripes....seems to me there are quite a few people just wanna have a go ....over something so trivial.........but never mind....they need to get out more.....its not healthy being stuck in front of a pc...........cheers :thumbup ....Originally Posted by mandalore697
It may seem trivial to you but when people rip off your work and pass it off as their own and make a lot of money from it wouldn't you be p*ssed? And like I said, this isn't the place to wind people up. You're entitled to your opinion, doesn't mean you should bait people. Make the most of this forum, its a helpful place, just remember the code of conduct and be courteous, or The Dent may slap you with a ban!
Welcome to TDH, Banditz. As a few members pointed out already, making copies of helmets other than ones you have made or own the rights to is frowned upon in the prop building community. The title of this thread, "Taking a cast from a mystery helmet" was construed as a re-casting question. Whether you said "cast" or "recast" is not what caught their attention, it was the "from a mystery helmet." I hope that makes sense to you.
As for the question of how to cast a fiberglass helmet, click on the SEARCH tab at the top of this page and go with it from there. There are several threads on how to make helmets, even a few that members made from metal (one was poured and another was pounded out with sheet metal). To answer the question briefly, if you are making the dome only, then I would suggest a one part mold.
Just to follow up Fettish's excellent post, I'm going to clean-up this thread and give it one last chance now that the terminology has been cleared up. There is no reason for this thread degenerate again.
Spot on totally agree with you.....you mention some members have made helmets out of metal.....aluminum or mild steel.....have u got pics .....or do u no who they r.....Originally Posted by BobaFettish
Yeah. Recasting bad. Especially a mystery helmet. Cuz that would be like taking a recast of a recast. Wait a minute... That doesn't sound right. If you were to recast a Mystery Helmet, could you be banned without banning the members who recast them in the first place?
Also. How different is recasting from reproducing any costume piece? Even if it is from scratch. You're still copying someone else's work.
I'm by no means defending the recasters. But I do think that there are alot of hypocrits on this board when it comes to the subject. Someone that makes a cast of an MQ-1 and copies it, for example (one I think I read about someone getting banned for recently), is just as much a recaster as the person who makes a recast of the copy. If there is a no recast policy on this board, it seems it should apply to everyone without exception. But then where would we get our MHs from?
It is totally different. People who sculpt their own work are not copying off an original piece, it's sculpting it yourself based on how you interpret the many photos. The "copying someone else's work" defense doesn't quite work. I don't know the exact details about the helmets that M_S and Sgt. Fang and whoever else obtained, so they may chime in.
As for the MQ-1, I don't think Casio has a problem with a few people making resin, non-functional copies of a long out-of-production calculator pad and curcuit board. Unless someone's email message naming TDH members by their screen names is responded to, and proves us wrong!
Last edited by Jango_Fett_Jr; 07-10-2005 at 06:12 PM.
Or you could purchase a copy of Thurston James book, The Prop Builder's Molding & Casting Handbook. Thats where an abundance of the re-casters get their casting info from that I can see.
Search for posts by Hand-Schaub. He made a metal helmet that was INSANE.Originally Posted by BANDITZ
Now as for your questions to casting. Most the helmet casts are done by a "indention cast" where its a big hollow piece that is pretty much the detailing all inside. when you pour in teh fiberglass/vinyl it looks like a big glob, but when you pull it out, it is nice an detailed on the outside and looks like a helmet. basic fiberglass helmet making 101.
and bro, no one is trying to "jump down your throat" but the idea of recasting is a shady area. I for one have scratch built some halo weapons I am building. I'm not gonna be to happy if i find out someone has recast it and is selling it for his own profit.
Just to say, I've known all the people here for a good long while and they are all good people, and this is a family to me bro. No one is tryin to be hostile or anything, just we try to look out for artisians here at the board because, they are nice enough to spend there time, effort and money to make these props for us to purchase, and we dont like seeing people rip them off...catch my driftage?
With that said, I'm sure that you will find whatever you need here at TDH. If you ever have any other questions, hit us up man, and we will do our best.
ok I know this probably isn't the right place to ask about it but what if one recasted a mystery helmet not for profit? like say a group of people pitch in for a mystery and make like 7 helmets for a fan film to cut down on cost? is that a bad thing?
your best bet would be to ask he who MADE the mystery helmet, for that permission. But usually, your cheapest way, its to buy them anyway. Maybe talk to the maker and ask if he would do a bulk discount...
Recasting is frowned upon usually in every direction.
You got that spot on........Bravo........Bravo......Originally Posted by Darth Mule
Originally Posted by Darth Mule
No one got banned for recasting a cast of the MQ-1