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    Mar 31, 2009, 10:02 AM - Re: Rorschach Mask Possible? #51

    Liquid Crystal Resources just sent me a 100ml sample of "Chromazone Color Change Ink". Previously it was referred to as Lueco Dye 31C but now I see that's not a part number but rather the temp it's affected at. ( 31 celsius )

    I will post the info here only as a reference for those who want to try this on their own but must first give the warning that procuring this ink does not mean you made a Rorschach mask. There is a lot more setup and planning that goes into this. I still maintain that if you really want one just buy what Kwally is making. I'm making my own and even I admit it will end in tragedy and will end up buying one of Kwally's when avail.

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    Perhaps the real reasons I'm putting this up is because:
    1) I'm lousy with remembering stuff
    2) Many of you may find a need for this chemical that goes beyond this specific project, and will wish that someone posted it for later use
    3) We're here to share

    Also, this stuff tastes HORRIBLE although it does go good on a salad. I don't feel so well....
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    Mar 31, 2009, 10:14 AM - Re: Rorschach Mask Possible? #52

    Quote fifthrider said: View Post
    Liquid Crystal Resources just sent me a 100ml sample of "Chromazone Color Change Ink". Previously it was referred to as Lueco Dye 31C but now I see that's not a part number but rather the temp it's affected at. ( 31 celsius )

    I will post the info here only as a reference for those who want to try this on their own but must first give the warning that procuring this ink does not mean you made a Rorschach mask. There is a lot more setup and planning that goes into this. I still maintain that if you really want one just buy what Kwally is making. I'm making my own and even I admit it will end in tragedy and will end up buying one of Kwally's when avail.

    www.liquid-crystals.com
    Scott Szafraniec
    800-677-5575
    scott @ lcr-usa.com
    www.lcr-usa.com


    Perhaps the real reasons I'm putting this up is because:
    1) I'm lousy with remembering stuff
    2) Many of you may find a need for this chemical that goes beyond this specific project, and will wish that someone posted it for later use
    3) We're here to share

    Also, this stuff tastes HORRIBLE although it does go good on a salad. I don't feel so well....
    Great info to get out there for people. I would suggest that people just don't start sending tons of emails requesting samples. I have talked with Scott on many occasions, and he DOES know all about the youtube mask. He is a bit weary of sending out tons of samples.

    Have you had a chance to try the ink out?

    Kody
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    Mar 31, 2009, 12:14 PM - Re: Rorschach Mask Possible? #53

    Apologies for not clarifying. This is a source people can BUY it from. Please do not bug the man about FREE samples. It's not too expensive to purchase for prop builders in our league.

    Test it? Ergh. I pulled a 16-hour shift yesterday and then grabbed 4 hours sleep before making back here at 6am. The only testing I did was to dip a corner of linen in it, confirm that it is indeed Thermo dye and that's about it.
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    Apr 7, 2009, 7:59 AM - Re: Rorschach Mask Possible? #54

    Just out of curiosity, has anyone checked a MSDS on the thermochromic paint being used? Naturally, I'm SUPER interested in acquiring one of these masks but I'm a wee bit cautious when it comes to having unusual paints anywhere near my respiratory system, cured or not.
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    Apr 7, 2009, 9:25 AM - Re: Rorschach Mask Possible? #55

    Quote MrRetsej said: View Post
    Just out of curiosity, has anyone checked a MSDS on the thermochromic paint being used? Naturally, I'm SUPER interested in acquiring one of these masks but I'm a wee bit cautious when it comes to having unusual paints anywhere near my respiratory system, cured or not.
    Yep, the ink I am using has been federally tested and found to have no toxicity.

    I will open the order thread/start taking orders as soon as I get my new ink in. I had to purchase a new ink with a bit more stretch so it doesn't crack when the lycra stretches. Thanks guys!
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    Apr 7, 2009, 9:27 AM - Re: Rorschach Mask Possible? #56

    Quote fifthrider said: View Post
    Apologies for not clarifying. This is a source people can BUY it from. Please do not bug the man about FREE samples. It's not too expensive to purchase for prop builders in our league.

    Test it? Ergh. I pulled a 16-hour shift yesterday and then grabbed 4 hours sleep before making back here at 6am. The only testing I did was to dip a corner of linen in it, confirm that it is indeed Thermo dye and that's about it.

    Have a chance to mess with Scott's sample? I received a sample from him also, but I didn't like it very much. The company I have decided to go with gives a much better effect and doesn't cure so rock solid. Let me know what you have found.

    Kody
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    Apr 7, 2009, 1:41 PM - Re: Rorschach Mask Possible? #57

    Quote Kwally89 said: View Post
    Yep, the ink I am using has been federally tested and found to have no toxicity.

    I will open the order thread/start taking orders as soon as I get my new ink in. I had to purchase a new ink with a bit more stretch so it doesn't crack when the lycra stretches. Thanks guys!
    Its great to hear that you will be taking orders soon. I look forward to it, and hopefully will be able to get on the first order list.
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    Apr 7, 2009, 5:03 PM - Re: Rorschach Mask Possible? #58

    Woah!

    Great work Kody! Colour me interested please!



    Dave
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    Apr 7, 2009, 5:58 PM - Re: Rorschach Mask Possible? #59

    Quote mckenic said: View Post
    Woah!

    Great work Kody! Colour me interested please!



    Dave

    There is definitely one for you my friend!

    Kody
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    Apr 7, 2009, 7:20 PM - Re: Rorschach Mask Possible? #60

    Taking orders soon? *squeals like a 10-year-old girl at a Jonas Brothers concert*
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    Apr 7, 2009, 7:34 PM - Re: Rorschach Mask Possible? #61

    Quote Soju said: View Post
    Taking orders soon? *squeals like a 10-year-old girl at a Jonas Brothers concert*
    Haha, my new ink should be in by Friday or Saturday...if that happens, I'll open a buy thread this weekend. Just keep checking the RPF for big updates. Let's keep our fingers crossed!

    Kody
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    Apr 7, 2009, 9:49 PM - Re: Rorschach Mask Possible? #62

    Quote Kwally89 said: View Post
    Have a chance to mess with Scott's sample? I received a sample from him also, but I didn't like it very much. The company I have decided to go with gives a much better effect and doesn't cure so rock solid. Let me know what you have found.

    Kody

    So far the stuff I ordered from the UK is more black when it's dry. Scotts stuff tends to be more purple. ....unfortunately the purple stuff also seems to work better. On a 1:10 mix ratio the purple stuff fades in and out at the same speed as my breath. On a 1:10 ratio with the UK stuff that came in 5ml syringes it fades white pretty quickly but takes forever to fade back to black. I've been experimenting with 3 different types of bases for the paint and so far I'm more happy with clear acrylic than anything else. I still haven't got the recipe about right yet, and yes, stretching/cracking IS an issue.
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    Apr 9, 2009, 12:47 PM - Re: Rorschach Mask Possible? #63

    I've been lurking the RPF site for a month now.

    My PayPal is set and ready to go. B]

    (Also, hello everyone! First post.)
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    Apr 9, 2009, 5:55 PM - Re: Rorschach Mask Possible? #64

    Quote fifthrider said: View Post
    So far the stuff I ordered from the UK is more black when it's dry. Scotts stuff tends to be more purple. ....unfortunately the purple stuff also seems to work better. On a 1:10 mix ratio the purple stuff fades in and out at the same speed as my breath. On a 1:10 ratio with the UK stuff that came in 5ml syringes it fades white pretty quickly but takes forever to fade back to black. I've been experimenting with 3 different types of bases for the paint and so far I'm more happy with clear acrylic than anything else. I still haven't got the recipe about right yet, and yes, stretching/cracking IS an issue.
    Ya, Scott's stuff is on the purple side, but that is usually for the paintable/sprayable inks. The screen inks are very thick and dry very black. The only problem is they dry rock solid and crack on a lycra fabric. This is why I went with a different company that provides BEAUTIFUL ink. Good luck on your experimenting!
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    Apr 9, 2009, 6:55 PM - Re: Rorschach Mask Possible? #65

    Oh, hey. I had a question actually!

    In a lot of the other heat sensitive masks I've seen videos of, it looked like they had to really work at breathing in order for the ink to react. Do you know if that's gonna be the case? And as far as custom patterns go (I dig original one you're doing, I'm just curious), is there a way for you to estimate how much a certain pattern would cost before printing the ink on?

    Also, I just wanted to say it's really awesome that you're doing such a big run of these. Way cool!
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    Apr 9, 2009, 7:59 PM - Re: Rorschach Mask Possible? #66

    Quote SetzerGabbz said: View Post
    Oh, hey. I had a question actually!

    In a lot of the other heat sensitive masks I've seen videos of, it looked like they had to really work at breathing in order for the ink to react. Do you know if that's gonna be the case? And as far as custom patterns go (I dig original one you're doing, I'm just curious), is there a way for you to estimate how much a certain pattern would cost before printing the ink on?

    Also, I just wanted to say it's really awesome that you're doing such a big run of these. Way cool!

    The inks I have experimented with give a very nice reaction with normal breathing. When you breath in, you draw heat out of the mask quickly resulting in the black returning. It looks pretty sweet! I'm really excited to get a beautiful prototype video posted!

    Regards,
    Kody
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    Apr 10, 2009, 3:35 AM - Re: Rorschach Mask Possible? #67

    You can put me down for one of these kickin' thermo-masks. Do you know what kind of a price range you're looking at?
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    Apr 10, 2009, 10:54 AM - Re: Rorschach Mask Possible? #68

    Over at the RPF forum he said it'll be at least $100 shipped. Small price to pay for looking totally boss.
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    Apr 10, 2009, 3:12 PM - Re: Rorschach Mask Possible? #69

    Quote SetzerGabbz said: View Post
    Over at the RPF forum he said it'll be at least $100 shipped. Small price to pay for looking totally boss.
    Pagliacci...what he said.
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    Apr 11, 2009, 12:01 AM - Re: Rorschach Mask Possible? #70

    Kwally, like a bunch of the others here, I've been following your work for a little while now and I've gotta say just how impressed I am. Very, very nicely done. I know you'll be swamped with orders but you can count me in regardless. Keep up the great work - we're all rooting for you 100%!
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    Apr 11, 2009, 12:58 AM - Re: Rorschach Mask Possible? #71

    Quote Jstamos013 said: View Post
    Kwally, like a bunch of the others here, I've been following your work for a little while now and I've gotta say just how impressed I am. Very, very nicely done. I know you'll be swamped with orders but you can count me in regardless. Keep up the great work - we're all rooting for you 100%!
    Thanks bro. It's always nice to have a cheering section to get you back to cutting out masks...it can be extremely boring!
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    Apr 11, 2009, 1:16 AM - Re: Rorschach Mask Possible? #72

    Quote Kwally89 said: View Post
    Thanks bro. It's always nice to have a cheering section to get you back to cutting out masks...it can be extremely boring!
    For sure - these kinds of things can be more than just a little tedious. Happy to be one of your many fans Kody.
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    Apr 12, 2009, 11:21 AM - Re: Rorschach Mask Possible? #73

    i have been waiting for you!
    i saw your project on the rpf can i get on your list for one please?

    thanks,

    jeroen.
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    Apr 12, 2009, 6:13 PM - Re: Rorschach Mask Possible? #74

    Quote framed said: View Post
    i have been waiting for you!
    i saw your project on the rpf can i get on your list for one please?

    thanks,

    jeroen.
    Hey buddy,

    There is no real "list". I was just gauging interest so I knew approximately the amount of supplies needed. I will be posting a buy thread ASAP because my new inks will be here tomorrow or Tuesday. The order will be determined by the order of payment. So if you pay first, you get the first mask.

    Regards,
    Kody
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    Apr 12, 2009, 7:20 PM - Re: Rorschach Mask Possible? #75

    I'd like to pay now please.

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