I've been trying to think of a way to make a Rorschach mask possible, and I can't. Any ideas?
P.S sorry if this is in the wrong place
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I've been trying to think of a way to make a Rorschach mask possible, and I can't. Any ideas?
P.S sorry if this is in the wrong place
Are you talking about a static mask or one like in the graphic novel & movie where the black shapes move and change shapes? It would be easy enough to create a static mask but I think that a functional mask would be very difficult if not impossible.
Yeah I'm pretty sure making a moving one would be impossible. but there are several different ways to make a static one
Method 1) Markers
get a white t-shirt
make a stencil resembling an ink blot
use this to draw an inkblot onto the shirt
pull the shirt over your head and align your face with the ink blot
pull the shirt tight and use the excess to tie a knot in the back
(this is the cheapest method)
Method 2) Iron-On T-Shirt
get a plain white t-shirt
get some iron on transfers from walmart (just a couple bucks)
iron on a pic of one of his inkblots (one below) onto it.
Then put the shirt over your head and align your face with the iron-on transfer.
pull the rest of the shirt back like with the marker one and tie a knot.
Method 3) Iron-On Spandex
Buy a spandex mask like this https://www.spandexwear.com/home.php?cat=249
then use the iron on transfer method onto the spandex mask
Method 4) Pre-made Mask
buy a pre-made mask like these http://wrestlingweargalore.com/store...a_filter_id=82
(this is the most expensive method)
heres an inkblot you can use for the iron-on method or to create a stencil for the marker method
If you want more info or would like to see other people's Rorschach costumes, I would suggest reading through this thread over on the Superhero Hype Boards: http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=307572
oh yeah and 10 days till Watchmen! woohoo
I've seen people just use Indian ink.
Use layers of opaque tights. Two white, one black, and I plan on using indian ink on mine, it looks great, and is simple. You can pick them up at Wal-Mart : D
No possible way to make the moving shape mask, never will, it's a comic.
I had this idea, of taking a mini projector, and putting it inside the fedora. It would be connected to an ipod, that has a homemade video of changing inkblots. I think if we could get it to project dark enough, this might be possible. I think having a layer of black mask under the white would help with the darkness. What do you think?(Don't steel my idea please)
I've thought of something similar for simulating the Goa'uld eye flash from SG-1 using UV LEDs and contacts. Your idea may work but it would require a pretty small projector that wouldn't be seen under the fedora or weigh it down causing the brim to droop.
With a quick find of a name and an image search, there's the projector. You would probably need to have a mirror to reflect the image down onto the face, which would be inside the hat. Im not exactly sure on the setup. I really think this could work! Except for the fact that the projector is $400......
Last edited by Agent007; 02-25-2009 at 06:44 PM.
as a joke i was telling my roommate that we should make some HyperColor rorschach masks.
does anyone remember those clothes?
ulp... but i just had a real idea.
make a mask similar to the comic, with a white base layer and a thin clear membrane over the top. put in painted black metal shavings and use some weak magnets placed symmetrically behind the mask to move the metal shavings around into different shapes. maybe you can isolate a nose area and a cheek area and eyes etc. so that way the shavings won't just go all over the place like crazy... maybe put a hard resin "face" behind the mask like the movie version and the spiderman movie mask, which can house some tiny little motors that will randomly move the magnets around on little tracks, and have it all linked to a timer so it shifts every thirty seconds or so. with the resin hard mask you could still breath with enough air holes and you could do whatever you wanted over the top of it.
impossible???? probably, but still throwing it out there for the brainstorming session.
The only problem with your idea is that while it could probably reasonably duplicate the look and effect of the movie mask the membrane covering might make it a little difficult to breath in. As long you have no problems with not breathing it should work great.
You guys should check out the heat activated paints here http://www.paintwithpearl.com/chromi...ange_paint.htm. Just breath a little on it and...Voila! Instant changing Rorschach mask! A guy on Youtube did it and it is as good as you can get!
From what I've seen, people use normal paint to do their masks as usual, then use the heat activated paint over their mouth and nose. That way, when you breath, it will give you the moving mask effect.
Well thats pretty dang cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW!!!!
I just opened an interest thread over on the RPF for heat activated paint Rorschach masks:
Last edited by Kwally89; 03-10-2009 at 11:55 AM.
Can you help me find some of that paint stuff online for cheap? I see that the one you're using is expensive, and I'd rather try to do it myself with cheaper stuff. It needs to be able to ship to the US and for under or around 20, which would be ideal. If you can't find anything, I guess I'll live.....
Never say never clayster. It's not impossible, just very impractical and expensive.
IBM actually created a material that would allow you to change the pattern on a material by sending very small amounts of voltage to it. The basic idea was to create a reusable newspaper or book by having all the text change. Now cost, that's another thing entirely.
On a larger scale they have looked at a similar technology for wallpaper, where you could change the wallpaper in your room just like changing it on your computer desktop.
I like the heat activated paint idea. Seems like a decent solution. Make sure it's non toxic
Hey, there's a guy on Ebay selling a Rorschach mask that has moving ink blots. Run a search for item # 200317527672. It appears that he may be using the heat activated paints, and he uses his breath to activate them, but I'm not sure . It looks pretty cool. It's also climbing steep on the bids. Check it out.
The one i'm making is movable....
I'm working on implants with black flowing fluid. If i perfect the technique it'll eventually go on youtube
this works pretty good IF you are wanting to do a fan film. no good for a comicon type event.
I agrea with corby on is post / methods.
The heat activated paint looks excellent, BUT what about your head? It does release heat so you would have trouble just getting the shape you want because of that? = bad idea I think?
Here is a spandex mask on ebay, item 220375550497
You would need a few for the different shapes ?
Looks like a hard project but good luck on successing this project looking forward on seeing the results.
Last edited by MerCenary; 03-10-2009 at 05:00 PM.
What if you had multiple layers of masks, each with a regular blot, and one heat activated blot. The bottom layer closest to you face would react first, then as you breathed more, to other layers would react. By the time the top layer has reacted, the bottom layer has cooled, and the process would repeat. You would just need to find patterns that would all work together. Would this work? Because I'm not so sure.
i'll bet that person is gonna be disappointed. if you watch the first video that ebay seller posted you can see how hard he's breathing inside of his mask just to make it change color a little bit. it looks like he's going to hyperventilate!
and in the second video, i'm pretty sure that he has a space heater in front of him and out of camera view and that's why it reacts so much better than it did in the first video. rip off.
and didn't i say something about hypercolor shirts in my first post?
IE, heat reactive ink.
i cant believe that went for almost $800... prolly cost $50-60 to make.
WOW! Ah yeah, that was really steep. I almost fell over when I saw that .
Looking forward to see what you guys come up with !
Last edited by Firespray Pilot; 03-13-2009 at 07:47 AM.
Kwally89's effort looks like the best so far, I should know, I'm working on one myself. I've been researching leuco dyes and thermochromatic paints and found a few that look like they'd work.
One industry sales rep actually asked me why so many people are writing him asking about this in the last few days. ( Probably a bunch of fellow prop-building fans like us. ) When I told him, he thought it was a pretty cool idea but was partially upset that so many people wouldn't tell him what was going on. ( A lot of people with $$ signs in their eyes and hopes of selling masks on eBay for $780 each, perhaps? ) The sales rep was also partially relieved that at least I was willing to level with him and say WHY I wanted the dye. In fact he was so appreciative that someone finally leveled with him he started telling me all sorts of dyes and paints that he didn't bother to tell anyone else.
Based on this I have a good deal of confidence that I can make my own moving mask but Kwally89's effort has the PERFECT dual pattern layout and appears to be getting done via silkscreening if I'm not mistaken. ( Mine would only be hand painted. Yuck. ) Not to over-hype it, but Kwally's really got the best deal going. Considering as how I was willing to toss $300+ into this, his price for a mask can't be passed up on.
Last edited by fifthrider; 03-13-2009 at 09:03 AM.
Wow, I never even thought of thermochromatic paint. Brilliant! I'm excited to see how your masks turn out Kwally
Glad you like my pattern and have faith in my product ! The patterns will be silk screened and heat cured to ensure professional adhesion. The fabric is a 4 way stretch knit that is VERY stretchy but has the texture that we desire from the screen used version. If anyone wants to follow the progress, I will direct you over to therpf.
Should be a fun prop!
Just updated the progress over on the RPF with some test pics of ink'd fabric. Lemme know what you think!
Looks really good! great job! Just wish they were cheaper...
Well, I knew I'd find something here about a Rorschach mask. But, it's been so long since I cruised the prop message boards, I've had to re-register with everyone but bikerscout.net.
Apparently I'm really late jumping on this ship though. I can see you have a TON of orders from here and the RPF. If you do end up making a lot of these, I definitely want one. Just let me know when and if my name gets close on your list.
Sheesh, you even plan on custom inkblots? I'll just go with whatever turns out looking the best, or is easiest for you. I haven't seen any patterns I don't like. I have to admit, sometimes I just sit and watch the blots move around on his mask in the Watchmen video game.
Wow ... just realized what a huge nerd I am.
Anyway, are you still thinking of the same price range? I'll work a street corner if I have to.
Thanks for the support guys! I've been swamped at work and with classes, but I will have a prototype done this weekend for sure!
Hey Kwally, can you post the pic of your prototype that you posted on the RPF. Those of us that aren't members over there cant see the attachment
can't wait to see the final product
It is just a pic of a sewn mask. There is no ink blot on it because it is FREEZING here, and the screen inks don't cure right at cold temps. The new pattern I drew up really eliminates any creases in the fabric and forms to your face perfectly! The fabric is also a 4 way stretch knit that has a nice texture that resembles the movie texture. Here is the mask:
Impressive choice on the fabric. Some who make these masks overlook that. It really needs to be some kind of fabric knit pattern like you're using, not your average shiny spandex, etc. I cannot emphasize how much this is the best looking project for this so far.
Fabric looks great Kwally cannot wait to see the finished product
The fabric looks great!
yeah the weather's been crazy here in Colorado. It keeps switching between sunny t-shirt weather to blizzards.
Love the mask, but isn't the sunken eye thing going to be a problem/make it look weird?
If you buy a couple yards of some gauze like material you can see through you can sew it into a long tube that just fits around your head, and roll it up in the fedora. Airbrush the ink blot "sets" every eight inches or so, and when you want to change, just pull down some fabric and tuck the rest in your collar. At a party, it will look like the mask changes randomly through many patterns.
Liquid Crystal Resources just sent me a 100ml sample of "Chromazone Color Change Ink". Previously it was referred to as Lueco Dye 31C but now I see that's not a part number but rather the temp it's affected at. ( 31 celsius )
I will post the info here only as a reference for those who want to try this on their own but must first give the warning that procuring this ink does not mean you made a Rorschach mask. There is a lot more setup and planning that goes into this. I still maintain that if you really want one just buy what Kwally is making. I'm making my own and even I admit it will end in tragedy and will end up buying one of Kwally's when avail.
scott @ lcr-usa.com
Perhaps the real reasons I'm putting this up is because:
1) I'm lousy with remembering stuff
2) Many of you may find a need for this chemical that goes beyond this specific project, and will wish that someone posted it for later use
3) We're here to share
Also, this stuff tastes HORRIBLE although it does go good on a salad. I don't feel so well....
Have you had a chance to try the ink out?
Apologies for not clarifying. This is a source people can BUY it from. Please do not bug the man about FREE samples. It's not too expensive to purchase for prop builders in our league.
Test it? Ergh. I pulled a 16-hour shift yesterday and then grabbed 4 hours sleep before making back here at 6am. The only testing I did was to dip a corner of linen in it, confirm that it is indeed Thermo dye and that's about it.
Just out of curiosity, has anyone checked a MSDS on the thermochromic paint being used? Naturally, I'm SUPER interested in acquiring one of these masks but I'm a wee bit cautious when it comes to having unusual paints anywhere near my respiratory system, cured or not.
I will open the order thread/start taking orders as soon as I get my new ink in. I had to purchase a new ink with a bit more stretch so it doesn't crack when the lycra stretches. Thanks guys!
Great work Kody! Colour me interested please!
Taking orders soon? *squeals like a 10-year-old girl at a Jonas Brothers concert*
So far the stuff I ordered from the UK is more black when it's dry. Scotts stuff tends to be more purple. ....unfortunately the purple stuff also seems to work better. On a 1:10 mix ratio the purple stuff fades in and out at the same speed as my breath. On a 1:10 ratio with the UK stuff that came in 5ml syringes it fades white pretty quickly but takes forever to fade back to black. I've been experimenting with 3 different types of bases for the paint and so far I'm more happy with clear acrylic than anything else. I still haven't got the recipe about right yet, and yes, stretching/cracking IS an issue.
I've been lurking the RPF site for a month now.
My PayPal is set and ready to go. B]
(Also, hello everyone! First post.)
Oh, hey. I had a question actually!
In a lot of the other heat sensitive masks I've seen videos of, it looked like they had to really work at breathing in order for the ink to react. Do you know if that's gonna be the case? And as far as custom patterns go (I dig original one you're doing, I'm just curious), is there a way for you to estimate how much a certain pattern would cost before printing the ink on?
Also, I just wanted to say it's really awesome that you're doing such a big run of these. Way cool!
The inks I have experimented with give a very nice reaction with normal breathing. When you breath in, you draw heat out of the mask quickly resulting in the black returning. It looks pretty sweet! I'm really excited to get a beautiful prototype video posted!
You can put me down for one of these kickin' thermo-masks. Do you know what kind of a price range you're looking at?
Over at the RPF forum he said it'll be at least $100 shipped. Small price to pay for looking totally boss.
Kwally, like a bunch of the others here, I've been following your work for a little while now and I've gotta say just how impressed I am. Very, very nicely done. I know you'll be swamped with orders but you can count me in regardless. Keep up the great work - we're all rooting for you 100%!
i have been waiting for you!
i saw your project on the rpf can i get on your list for one please?
There is no real "list". I was just gauging interest so I knew approximately the amount of supplies needed. I will be posting a buy thread ASAP because my new inks will be here tomorrow or Tuesday. The order will be determined by the order of payment. So if you pay first, you get the first mask.
I'd like to pay now please.
here is a way to make the mask on your own.in the video the fabric he uses is from a tank top but i bet it would look way better using tights or spandex
ok thats verry important i dont want to end up dead in a mask that just looked good!
i found it verry important that there are no toxics in the paint.
please send me a PM for your Paypal so i can pay for a mask.
thanks for your great help and perfecting the mask with the heat activated paint
Thanks for the updates Kody!
Definitely following this thread from now on
I almost abandoned my Rorshach cosplay due to the vast number that are appearing and while I'd really like to try and make my own moving mask to put me apart from the others I think it would be more expensive and less proffesional than what Kwally is making!
Eagerly awaiting an update on this one!
For sure. There's gonna be tons of Rorschachs running around. So, the only way to set yourself apart is to have an amazing costume. And have a moving mask.
I can't sleep I want this so much. Heh.
I feel a bit guilty about buying a mask instead of trying to make it myself but for something on this scale I'd be much more confident getting the assistance of a pro like Kwally.
Just wanted to let everyone know that a video of the mask and the buy thread will be up TODAY FOR SURE!! I spent all day yesterday making masks, and I have quite a few finished masks. As I stated before, the list will be first come first serve. So if you pay first, you get the first mask. Also, I have been experimenting with a "jagged edge" print as many have suggested. It is the same pattern but some of the edges are not 100% crisp lines like the sample print I posted earlier. If you would be interested in one of these, be sure to let me know. I will post A LOT more information in the buy thread.
awesome, Paypal ready Kwally
PayPal ready. I just hope I can get in the queue before they're all gone.
Paid on your buy thread!
(Sorry for the double post.)
They're ready to go, folks!
BUY THREAD UP!! Make sure you specify in the payment details that you are from the dented helmet. PLEASE INCLUDE USERNAME!
Sorry about stealing your thunder. :P
Oh! Could you post a picture of the jagged-edge version here? I'm actually kind of curious about that after hearing about it.
Paid! Can't wait to see it in person.
Think we could score the jagged-edge pictures here? Wish I could sign up on the RPF to see pics. :/
Exactly what I posted on the RPF:
Well...I tried to take some pics of the "blurred" edges but the ink is so black that the pics washed out the edges. The edges are more blurred and stippled...it is kind of hard to explain. Honestly, either version will suffice because only you will tell the difference between the two. I am going to try another technique to get washed out edges and an asymmetrical blot. The only problem with the blurred versions is it is REALLY hard to get the thermochromic layer completely in the middle. I notice these things because I am weird and a perfectionist. More than likely, this will add to the asymmetry which is what some of you desire.
On to the pictures....they show little to nothing. ENJOY !
Well! I think I'm gonna stick with the jagged-edge version, if that's cool with you. I'm trying to go the movie route with my costume.
Thanks for the pictures, man.
Ordering info here for all non RPF members:
Any suggestions for techniques on putting seeing holes in it?