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    Mar 8, 2005, 9:39 AM - Problem with Rub N' Buff #1

    When I started applying the Rub N' Buff; it started pulling the primer off the piece. Has anyone else had this problem?

    Everything was prepped and wetsanded properly, I can't figure out why it did that?
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    Mar 8, 2005, 10:10 AM - Re: Problem with Rub N' Buff #2

    I had the same problem where it turned my top coat into goo. It reacted with the paint even thought the paint had cured for abut two weeks. The only thing I can think of is Rn'B reactes with lacquer paint?
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    Mar 8, 2005, 10:40 AM - Re: Problem with Rub N' Buff #3

    How did you fix the problem?
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    Mar 8, 2005, 11:36 AM - Re: Problem with Rub N' Buff #4

    I had to sand off all of the crap & start over. I'm not a big fan of Rn'B. I found automotive lacquers produce almost as much shine & are way easier to apply & handle afterwards. I am also going to try Alcad II paint since it is lacquer based, & top coat over that. Shunned has a stunning example of a Jango helmet painted with Alcad II.
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    Mar 8, 2005, 11:42 AM - Re: Problem with Rub N' Buff #5

    THe Alcad II is good stuff.
    I am a big fan of the Model Masters Buffing Metalizer.
    It is a Buffable Laquer that dries in about 10 min. You buff it with a paper towel and it brings it up to a really nice lustre. Finish it off with the Metalizer Sealer and it looks just like metal without the worry of having a "Wax" that will rub off on things that may brush againsed your workpiece. The other benefit of the metalizer is that you can paint on top of it very nicely!
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    Mar 8, 2005, 12:15 PM - Re: Problem with Rub N' Buff #6

    Eddie, do you have an example of what it looks like on a finished product?
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    Mar 8, 2005, 12:37 PM - Re: Problem with Rub N' Buff #7

    Here is some on my armor. It is only two coats, and I am putting a third on, THEN buffing, but it gives you an idea. I can post "buffed" pics tonight.
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    Mar 8, 2005, 3:31 PM - Re: Problem with Rub N' Buff #8

    If Darren buffs that a bit more, it will come out with a high sheen.
    I have a few pics at home that I will post tonight
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    Mar 8, 2005, 3:38 PM - Re: Problem with Rub N' Buff #9

    Here is a picture of a test card someone did with various Model Masters buffing Metalizers to compare the sheen buffed and not buffed.

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    Mar 8, 2005, 4:09 PM - Re: Problem with Rub N' Buff #10

    This was also painted using a couple different forms of the Model Masters Buffing Metalizer:

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    Mar 8, 2005, 4:38 PM - Re: Problem with Rub N' Buff #11

    THis pic shows a figure painted with the aluminum plate and buffed on one side to show the sheen after buffing:



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    Mar 8, 2005, 5:05 PM - Re: Problem with Rub N' Buff #12

    DON'T use Rn'B over the Model Master Metalizer paint. That is the paint I had used & the Rn'B reacted with it. It had been drying for about 2 weeks so I would say paint cure was not the problem.
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    Mar 8, 2005, 5:06 PM - Re: Problem with Rub N' Buff #13

    If you use the Metalizer, there shouldn't be a need for the Rub and Buff anyway though.
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    Mar 8, 2005, 9:27 PM - Re: Problem with Rub N' Buff #14

    Here are my shin tools painted and then buffed with the metalizer. I need to put on the top coat but I started with a black primer and I took a paper towel to smooth out the primer after it was dry. THen sprayed the MEtalizer and let it dry between coats. I applied only 2 coats though. Then After they were dry I buffed them with the paper towel and finished the buffing with a cotton ball.

    Here is the squeegee before paint as well as the stir stick comparison of the Buffed and top coat on left with just sprayed and not buffed on right.
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    Mar 13, 2005, 2:20 AM - Re: Problem with Rub N' Buff #15

    Looks pretty good...but I have had no problems with RnB and best of all its extremely cheap! As for Alcad II, that stuff is too reflective for Jango, IMO...
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    Mar 13, 2005, 2:30 PM - Re: Problem with Rub N' Buff #16

    Well the Alcad 2 as well as the MM Metalizer can be finished with a really fine steel wool to give it a brushed aluminum look and can be muted by weathering.
    It's all in how you work the product. It would definately be way to shiny if you just sprayed it on and left it as is.

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