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  1. Migrate from As You Wish
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    Jun 6, 2002, 1:47 AM - Official Airbrush Thread #1

    I have been wanting to get an airbrush for some time, but i don't know anything about them. Whats the difference between dual action and single? what should i look for in an airbrush? any recommendations?
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    Jun 6, 2002, 1:47 AM - Merged: Merged: Re: Airbrushes? #2

    Well, for starters, single action is easier to use for beginners. Usually an external mix, single action sprays the paint when the button is pushed. dual action is usually an internal mix, and allows air flow when the button is pushed, then paint as it is pulled back. After getting the feel for it, the dual action will give finer detail and better control.
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    Jun 6, 2002, 1:47 AM - Merged: Merged: Re: Airbrushes? #3

    I hear good things about the Aztek A470. Can't say I've used it, but it is both double action and internal mix. Plus, it is pretty cheap for everything you get- lots of nozzles for fine detail.

    But I am no expert on airbrushes--looking into one myself.
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    Aug 19, 2002, 4:26 PM - Merged: Air Brushing #4

    Does anyone or has anyone used an airbrush to paint their armor? Would it be ideal for the weathering? I am considering getting one and I would love to hera what you think. Is it worth it?

    Thanks
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    Aug 19, 2002, 8:25 PM - Merged: Re: Air Brushing #5

    Most definitely!!!!

    I used regular spray paint for the "base coat" (Rust-O-Leum "Spruce Green" is great). Then I sponged on Testors enamel (Yellow Zinc Chromate for the "primer" color and Steel for the "metal" color). After that, I used acrylic Mars Black, airbrushed on for carbon scoring effects and to give it that all-around "grunge" look.

    I have since used my airbrush for my Blastech EE-3, my Westar... it is VERY useful and adds a dimension you really can't get any other way.

    My $.02...




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    Aug 19, 2002, 8:27 PM - Merged: Re: Air Brushing #6

    From what I hear it's down right necessary to really nail things with the mixing of greens to get a "proper" green.

    Steve
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    Aug 19, 2002, 10:06 PM - Merged: Re: Air Brushing #7

    I to airbrushed mine.. and it works like a charm.. depending on how you use the brush.. and if you know how to really get dirty with the brush is another story. I have seen some jobs done of airbrushers... and some of them just look like a back yard airbrusher did it.. and it shows.. if you know someone that has some good skills.. they can really make the weather look insane... with not just a over spray look but all the way down to a scratch and such... But sure.. its your best bet for doing the armor.. I used charcol on the fabric.. shaved it off of the sticks with a xacto knife.. and rubbed it all in... looks very real doing it like that.. Good luck
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    Aug 19, 2002, 10:46 PM - Merged: Re: Air Brushing #8

    Another useful technique is to water down black acrylic paint (sometimes called "black water") and to paint it on and let it run into the nooks and crannies, then blot up the excess. You have to do it a few times, but you eventually get a really neat look.

    To add carbon scoring to my shoulder bells, I rubbed on used charcoal from my grill. Believe it or not, it was quite effective. I kinda ground it into the silver paint... It looks a *bit* more "used" than the real deal, but I think it's more realistic too. Anything that hit the armor and was strong enough to remove paint, primer, and a chunk of metal is going to leave behind evidence.

    But to get back on topic, BUY AN AIRBRUSH. You can get one for next to nothing, if you look around.


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    Aug 19, 2002, 11:19 PM - Merged: Re: Air Brushing #9

    Folks, thanks for the greta advice. An arts and crafts store near me (A.C. Moore) has them for around $30 and comes with a can of air (not a compressor). I have a 40-50% coupon so it works out great!

    The big question...any of you have any pics of your airbrushed work?

    I would really appreciate seeing them to give me some sort of direction.

    Thanks again. I knew I could count on my bounty brothers to come through.
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    Aug 20, 2002, 12:04 AM - Merged: Re: Air Brushing #10

    I bought a Badger airbrush at Michael's (national arts & crafts chain) for $21.99.

    This is the SAME airbrush (looks identical to me, anyway) that I bought. The difference in price makes me sick...

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=2046887303

    Cans of the Badger Propel propellant are about $11.00 for the large cans. I've already used 2 in no time. You end up using a lot of air to "clean" the airbrush out after you're done using it after a session (clearing the siphon tube, etc.)

    My next purchase will be something like this:
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=1758988763
    or this:
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=1759811613

    A couple of cans of air will pay for a nice little compressor.

    Sure none of these products are exactly "top of the line", but then I'm not doing this for a living either, where something a little more "professional" would be needed.

    I've had no problems with my airbrush, and it works just fine. It's really a "low-tech" device, if you think about it. If you spend more, you're really not getting much more than better looks and a "big name".

    I could post some digital pics of my work, but no one wants that! Seriously, my digital camera is pretty old, and only does 640x480 resolution, so I need to take pics with my 24mm and then scan and post them. Maybe I can use up the 25 pictures on a roll of film...

    I need to take some pics of a few new projects I'm doing, so I'll try to have some up by this weekend.







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    Aug 20, 2002, 12:08 AM - Merged: Re: Air Brushing #11

    [quote]
    Jedi-Bob wrote:
    Folks, thanks for the greta advice.


    HEHE My wife's name is GRETA! She gives me advice all the time!

    Actually, she keeps me sane, and tolerates my obsessions. What more could I ask for?

    When she starts her Boushh costume, she'll be just as obsessed!


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    Aug 20, 2002, 1:42 AM - Merged: Re: Air Brushing #12

    Well, like I said, tell Greta I said thanks for letting you answer my post. lol

    Man, it's late. Don't mind me.
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    Aug 20, 2002, 2:00 AM - Merged: Re: Air Brushing #13

    If you can afford a small air compressor.. I would suggest on getting one.. as you may save money in the long run if you ever us or plan on doing airbrushing again. I took it up as a hobby years ago.. and since I had all the gear when it came time to do a Fett it all paid off..

    Anyway.. I use Pache (Spelling??) airbrushes... I have a few badgers as well.. and feel the PAche's are easier to handle and just all round work better.. just my preferance of course.

    Dry brushing is a good technic as well.. and with my Fett.. I used a few types of mediums.. airbrush / carcoal / garden dirt / hand painting... All tied into one looks really convincing.... and I'm sure you want to try and create that sort of effect.

    You can check out some of my airbrushing work and see what type of detailing you can do with a brush and go to the illustration part of the site:

    http://members.rogers.com/xzibitgraphics/

    There you will see a ALIEN painting all done by airbrush... and you can basically get a good look at what a little airbrush can do for you.

    Good luck my friend.. I shall have some Fett images of my mannequin for you to see detail as well by the end of this weekend..
  14. Ego
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    Aug 20, 2002, 9:23 AM - Merged: Re: Air Brushing #14

    How much painting time do you get out of a can of air for your airbrushes? Just wondering if it's worth my money picking up a compressor when all I plan on doing is making the fett costume. If I'm only going to use two cans of air, not much point in going for a compressor.

    Thanks
    Jer
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    Aug 20, 2002, 1:41 PM - Merged: Re: Air Brushing #15

    Not to sure on the amount of air in a can.. but with my own compressor.. I know it fills up all the time when I'm doing airbrushing... I mean you want to keep a steady flow or air.. and I wonder on a can if you have the freedom to set the air flow.. I mean that is important depending on the amount of paint you want coming out of that brush.

    I set mine to about 30 pounds of pressure and it gives a good paint spray.. and if I want a splattered look of paint.. I set it lower and adjust my brush.. and it comes out all splatter...

    Anyway... I have never used a can.. but I'm sure you'll need more then 2 cans... but that is just a guess.. I think you can get a small compressor probably used at a local or airbrush shop around your town...probably pretty cheap to.. especially if they are used.

    I know my local shop (Canada) sells them...

    Another thing you might want to consider... over a can.. is a thing I think is called a "PIG".. its a red cylinder that is used to pump up your car tires.. .it sits in the back of your car when you need it. Its a great little thing... All you have to do is fill it up at a gas station (FREE) where you do your own tires.. Airbrushes fit right on its hose.. and your set to start sprayin'

    This can isn't very big.. but holds alot of air.. and is really light.. It has a gage on it.. so set the air flow and stuff like that.. but I would figure I paid $40 bucks for it... that would be frigin' worth it if you are just planning on doing fett.. then you can put it in your trunk for emergencys....

    Give that a try...
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    Aug 21, 2002, 11:33 PM - Merged: Re: Air Brushing #16

    With the 2 large cans (they sell smaller cans in the $6.00 - $7.00 range) of Badger "Propel" propellant that I've bought, I've managed to do my chest armor, shoulder bells, EE-3 blaster (TWICE), my Westar, a Kamino sabredart, and several other things. I'm just now hitting the bottom of the 2nd can. I'll probably buy a small compressor soon, since I still have plans to use acrylic paint and my airbrush to weather my jumpsuit, cape, etc.

    As far as the pressure, the airbrush that I bought (as well as the $3.00 I listed above) both have a regulator on the cap that screws onto the air can/compressor. You regulate the airflow by adjusting a thumb screw. The airbrush spray pattern is also adjustable (from hairline to 3/4"). Playing around with the airflow and the spray pattern will get you a wide range of effects.

    As far as the air tank goes, I know what you're talking about. I think WalMart sells them in the auto section. There are some on eBay.

    This one has a bad gauge, but you can't beat the price. Just be careful filling it up!

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=2047372627

    Here's one with a working gauge, for a little more than a few large cans of air...

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=2047473198

    If you look around, you can get a small compressor for about the same price AND you never have to refill it! This one is JUST a compressor, and has no tank to hold excess air in. Those cost a little bit more...

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=1760488906

    If you search for one, you can include "nail" in your search to return a list of compressors that are quieter than regular ones. Nail salons use airbrushes to paint nails sometimes, and they tend to like the quieter compressors so the person doing the nails can talk to their client without shouting over the noise of a loud compressor.

    Hope this is useful to someone!






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    Aug 22, 2002, 1:15 AM - Merged: Re: Air Brushing #17

    Thanks for the info. I appreciate it.
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    Aug 23, 2002, 10:44 PM - Merged: Re: Air Brushing #18

    As promised, here are some new pics of my (mediocre) airbrushing...

    Here are 2 pictures of my re-painted "SpideyBlaster©". The first colors were way too bright. I dulled them down a bit thanks to my airbrush and a generous amount of Mars Black.





    And finally, here's a pic of my (almost) completed armor. The airbrush was great for details. I can't imagine painting without it!

    And about my armor... it's all scratch built from 3mm Sintra (thicker than 1/8" and hard as #@$% to form!!!). I thought about buying armor from various people, but in the end, I knew I'd appreciate it more if I made it myself. Is it perfect? Nope. Do I care? NOPE! It works for me, it's custom-made to fit *me*, and I LIKE IT. I'll probably get ribbed for "this angle" being too acute, or "that curve" being too wide, or "that" being "this". Like I said, it's what makes *YOU* happy when it's all said and done.

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    Aug 30, 2002, 11:11 PM - Airbrush topics [merged] #19

    OK, I bought an airbrush, but when I test spray, I get dots instead of a consistant color. What am I doing wrong???

    I am using caned air (for now), does it make a difference?
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    Aug 30, 2002, 11:27 PM - Merged: Re: Airbrushing Weathering help #20

    If you have an external mix airbrush, you probably need to adjust the siphon nozzle that points upward at the front of the air nozzle. Turn it clockwise to lower it until the spray is even and fine.
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    Aug 30, 2002, 11:30 PM - Merged: Re: Airbrushing Weathering help #21

    I did, but it makes an even cover. I wanted to use it to weather the knees and shoulders. It is too think. I was thinking, should I just hold it farther away?
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    Aug 30, 2002, 11:47 PM - Merged: Re: Airbrushing Weathering help #22

    What type of paint are you using? Is it watered down... or is it think.. being think will make airbrush spray dotes... trust me... I do it all the time for different effects. The air preasure as well makes a difference... the less air.. the less presure the air is pushed out of the brush.. causing a less constant flow of paint... So yeah.. maybe the can of air is causing this to happen.. and also it could maybe be the paint is just right.. but the can air just ain't enough for it... get what I'm saying. If you can afford to go out and by a portible tire filler.. I think here in Canada they refer to them as a PIG... its red.. has a hose.. that you can hook your brush up to.. and a gage.. and those suckers hold a heck of a lot of air.. I am not saying that will be the solving to your problem.. but it could be one. So good luck.. like I said.. you could also reduce the paint.. depending on what type of paint it is.. usually if it is a acrylic.. just add a bit of water... to water it down a bit.. make sure you shake the jar of paint before you spray... make sure the nozzle of the brush is super clean.. cause any dust or dirt on the tip of the airbrush needle could make your spray go heywire.. Even I.. not saying I'm a pro airbrusher... but I do it as a hobby.. and I to run into problems.. even know I think I might know what I'm talking about.. sometime just doesn't help me any when I run into problems to.

    Good luck.. hope the above helped you a bit...

    Just read your message again.. and I'm not sure what really your having a problem with this brush.. is it you want a finer spray.. so you can do fine lines.. or a bigger area spray.. well all the above sort of covers what I think might of been the problem you were having.. but another thing that I thought of is the pin or needle in the brush.. you can adjust it which will cause the paint to flow out more or less.. depending on how far you push the needle into the pen... or if you pull it just out a bit.. the more paint will come out covering a bigger area.. also depending on the amount of presure you are pulling back on the trigger of the brush. Fine lines obviously will happen if you put the needle all the way into the brush..

    Now I'm not sure of the type of brush you have but my pache brushs came with brush tips.. that are used for different types of paint styles.. so fine lines.. big spays... etc.. so you might just want to read more about what each of your extras that you might of got with your brush are used for...

    So agian... I hope that all helps.. any questions.. PM me and I'll be happy to help you out more..
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    Aug 31, 2002, 8:03 AM - Merged: Re: Airbrushing Weathering help #23

    Try adjusting the thumbscrew on the regulator cap that screws onto the air can. Turning it clockwise will give you more pressure and prevent "dotting".

    When I airbrush from my air can, I screw on the regulator cap, then I hold the trigger down (without a jar attached to the handle) and turn the thumbscrew on the cap clockwise until I get a good airflow coming out of the gun. While holding the trigger down, you can turn the thumbscrew both ways to see if the airflow is powerful enough.

    Once you settle on where to put the thumbscrew, then adjust the needle tip connected to the siphon tube coming out of the jar (and your paint). Start by screwing it all the way down (clockwise), hold the trigger down, aim it at some scrap cardboard or something, then back it off (counterclockwise) until the gun sprays and until the pattern is what you're looking for.

    I initially tried spraying Liquitex (Grumbacher) acrylic paint in my brush the day I bought it. It did EXACTLY what yours is doing now. I thought the paint was too thick, so I added a bit of water. Well, it sprayed. THEN the paint ran off my armor! After trial and error, I discovered that the paint consistency was FINE. It was my air pressure that was the problem. After figuring out how to set the regulator, I was in business!

    I've sprayed acrylics, enamels, varnish, lacquer... you name it! And I've NEVER had to thin/water down ANY of them!
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    Aug 31, 2002, 7:08 PM - Merged: Re: Airbrushing Weathering help #24

    I think I found one of those "PIG" tanks in Home depot for $19.99. How do you attach the air-brush to it???
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    Aug 31, 2002, 9:36 PM - Merged: Re: Airbrushing Weathering help #25

    well if a "pig" tank is what you are describing you probably mean a simple air tank. To use this with a hose you will probably need a reducer fitting. It depends on the type of airbrush you have but It will probably come with a hose attached already. For example, If you purchased a badger airbrush kit it probably included a hose attachment to a can of compressed air. You'll need a Badger hose with the reducer coupling on one end. This can be had for usually $7-$9.

    Now here's the bad news...

    You'll probably get tired of rfilling it at your local gas station. You know you might just want to go back to the Depot and get yourself that little campble hausfeld workbench compressor. Or better still, hit the local art supply store and pick up a nice compressor for the same price.

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