Hey, Im In! If you Have time to make me a shirt as well. I can private you my measurements if you like, but a men's small is perfect otherwise. Cant wait!!!
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Hey, Im In! If you Have time to make me a shirt as well. I can private you my measurements if you like, but a men's small is perfect otherwise. Cant wait!!!
Are those suspenders rimming the vest in the pics? Also I was thinking if possible I'd love to get a second shirt. One for the costume and one to wear here and there. Imagine going to a job interview or something in the Hex shirt!!! Looks classy and completly bizzare at the same time.
Pinder91 posted this over on the RPF. It looks more accurate (from what i could tell less stray pixels and missing line segments.)
Oooo...I really like that one! It is as movie accurate as Jarvis's, but it has A LOT more detail to it!!! NICE!!!
I love #6 as well. I also think the color looks pretty darn good.
Ok, so the pattern directly above me looks pretty darn good too. I would go with that one for sure...
I would gladly pitch in a donation with my payment for the shirt material. I am glad to see a sense of family among us freaks...
Last edited by Sinister; 08-07-2008 at 05:57 PM.
I really like Pinder91's and the pixels are so nice that I could easily update the color....I've been thinking pretty hard...The base fabric is obviously a light blue. I would really like to know what you guys are thinking because some are saying that the background is white! I'd like to get EVERYONE in agreement before I send a sample to the company...I want to be as professional as possible with all of this.
I'm wondering all this because I know nothing of vector format and that is what nearly all fabric printers require. Maybe some nice friend could even do this and email it to me when we find a pattern to go with.
Everytime i see the shirt in the movie it looks different to me. I dont know if its the material that changes color in different lighting or what. To me I've seen it as blueish green, light purple and even a very light blue. I also wouldn't mind donating part of my payment for the material or any extra labor in the shirt making. Pinder's sample above looks outstanding. Should real easy to replicate.
I would go with a very light, light blue material with the pattern printed in that dark purple/blue over it. You don't want to deminish the wonderful designs in the hexagons, but I don't think that it is as simple as a white background...
I would agree, Its not a white backgrounds its a light blue with a dark purplish blue on top. I think we should find the exact color of the base blue. Maybe find the color like you would a paint sample (don't work with fabric so not sure).
Color wise this is what i got from a high res image of the jokers shirt.
Yah this is going to be as tough as decided the pattern was. Cause once again we couldn't pull the shirt off the set to look close enough. You have to think its some kind of airbrush layering or a special wash and dye or a mix of both. The shirt I made is a dye that's a little too dark of a purple its not nearly as atractive as a lighter blue or some kind of blue with a very very lite green tone. So my vote is with Sinister. More blue. Also that the size of the print isnt any smaller. You get too small and way too many hexs. Then it looks more like a golf shirt than a Villan's costume.
Ok, im telling you, you want to print onto white fabric! here is more reasons why...
those were printed onto WHITE FABRIC, it still appears to have a blue tint... if is lighting and photographic smear, im telling ya. A kid on superhero hype printed on a blue tinted fabric and it looks awful.
I'm in for a few yards, pending price.
Wow guys...I really don't know! I'm not saying SithCamaro's costume isn't good, but it isn't my favorite. I love his Sauron and Jack Sparrow stuff, but he did the Joker for the premiere and didn't have the resources we now have. His is amazing, but we have to judge from the movie and not another guy's costume. As of right now, I cannot rule out that it is a white background...i think that it is a light blue, but I may be wrong! The actual tie used in the movie is a greenish color, but on film appears yellow and brown!!! Lighting and cameras have a knack of skewing colors in fabrics.
Sithcamaro's does look pretty good. Perhaps the print and design is what gives the white a slightly light purple/blue tone. I know when I try and print it onto paper it looks pretty close to the publicity photos. Kwally is right though about film lighting. As we all know, replicating a movie costume can be a nightmare for just that reason. I usually decide on a given photo from the film and stick with the given color scheme. By doing so, I typically get a costume that most people believe is what they saw in the movie it is from. I have been matching my color scheme for this Joker to the Empire Magazine shot, and so far it is looking really good.
Here are my shoes and socks...
By the way, anyone given any thought to the material used on the back of his vest. It looks like a satin that matches, in color, the pattern purple/blue from the shirt, but it has a strange dotted pinstripe in the lighter color of the shirt. There is a really good shot of the pinstripe pattern in Art of the Dark Knight, but I have not found anything yet that comes close...
Last edited by Sinister; 08-07-2008 at 09:20 PM.
Dude, did you make those shoes??? If you didn't where did you get them?
Kwally, his pattern is definitely off, but his color scheme is right. I know everyone WANTS the shirt to be a dark purple with blue patterns, but honestly, it isn't. It really doesn't match the pants and overcoat, it matches the blue-gray blazer and green vest more.
Idk but I really like the colors in this one! Put these colors in Pinder91's pattern...and I'm voting for that!
Last edited by Kwally89; 08-07-2008 at 10:28 PM.
Here is a copy of pinder's pattern with the colors quickly changed to give everyone an idea. BTW Anyone have an idea as to how many yards it would take to do a XXL shirt?
Thanks LSFU. You got any plans of getting in on this, maybe doing up some shirts?
Thanks for the wonderful comments on my shoes...
For those interested. I modified a pair of ALDO brand shoes.
I wear a size 6 and these are a size 8 to give them that turned up nose "Charlie Chaplin" clown/hobo look. The original color is a chocolate brown, smooth leather. the original shoes have no detail on them. First, I took high grit sand paper to them. This makes them more of a suede texture and lightens the color. Once I had the right texture and tone, I used spare scraps of brown leather that I had around to make the added on patches arond the sides and back. I used a leather hole punch to make the hole pattern and then I roughed them up with the sand paper to match the shoes. Before I glued them onto the shoe I put in a faux stitch just below the holes. Finally I used BARGS leather glue to attach them...
I hope that helps anyone desperately trying to get the shoes done...
Now how's about that pesky shirt???
Last edited by Sinister; 08-08-2008 at 08:49 AM.
I'm with you guys...I like Pinder's pattern best, but I think it should be on a white fabric, or at the very least, a very light baby blue...most of all the film shots and posters I have (or have seen) give the impression of the shirt being either one of those colors....I think the perception of the general public would be the same either way; they will know who you are supposed to be.
The scale of the hexes, based on the interregation scene pics, look to be 1" to 1.25" across the facets.
Another question I have is the type of fabric it will be...Ledger's shirt seems to have a slight sheen to it, like satin or a nylon mix...it's not plain old cotton.
Sinister... those shoes are bitchin', man...excellent reproduction! Where did you get those socks? Hand painted?
So...are we down to a reasonable cost-per-yard estimate yet?
Last edited by Ghostsoldier; 08-08-2008 at 11:01 AM.
I don't think it was white fabric. I see NO white at all or any appearance that white was used. It looks like very light purple with dark purple designs. I think the color and pattern from post #119 is the best so far. Very nice.
Hey guys, I was lurking these forums a while ago getting plans for a fett helmet. Then I saw this (while searching desperately for a shirt) and definitely had to sign up! I've been trying to piece together this costume for a while now and the shirt has been worrying me the most. Kwally I'm glad you're going all out making sure this looks good. You can definitely add me to that list for (I think) 2 yards. I'm a size medium so I'm not too sure how much I'd need.
You guys should do a search for the Soho Lab Greene Road shoes. Those are the ones I picked up.
count me in price pending
Anyone interested in the socks, they are from a company in England. They are actually knitted squares of color! No paint or dye. Totally screen accurate! I found them on eBay, but I know they have their own site too. I think I've seen it on SuperHeroHype. Their prices are totally reasonable, I got two pair plus shipping for under $40. Totally worth every penny!
Questions on the shoes... Please read post #125. Thanks!
Back to the shirt...
I like the color and patter on post #119.
I think the hexagons have 1 inch sides for scale.
I think the shirt material is a really pale version of the darker pattern color. Like in post #111.
I agree with Ghostsoldier that the shirt looks shiney, but that will all depend on what Kwally can get the pattern printed on.
I would rather have a slightly off shirt than no shirt at all...
By the way, a round of applause to Kwally for getting all this up and running... 8)
Last edited by Sinister; 08-08-2008 at 02:25 PM.
I am pretty certain that the base of the shirt is an off white.
The honeycombs themselves are probably a dark purple that does look blue under different lighting.
The most popular size is 2" diameter (making each side 1").
One thing we need to do is determind which honeycomb patternes are actually on the screen used shirt. Personally, I do not believe that the circle pattern exists. I have seen some low res photos that makes it 'look' like circles, but are infact the 'Stars' pattern in a higher res photos.
regarding post #90 ref photos:
Pic #1 Only 1 honeycomb matches ref images rest are made up
pic #2 Again, Only one 'correct' style honeycomb. The rest are made up.
Pic #3 Getting closer, the stars seem too 'squished', and the plus symbol pattern looks like it should have more rounded edges. The hollow squares are not all the same size. The other two do not match any ref photos.
Pic #4 All the honeycombs appear to be made up. None are 'Correct'
Pic #5 The circle honeycomb doesn't belong, and the checkerd one seems like the squares are too small
Pic #6 Same as #5
Pic #7 Only 1 correct honeycomb, rest are made up.
Lordy Lordy have mercy on me.
Kwally, take a GOOD look at Toby's (sithcamaro) shirt. Yes, the pattern is off, but the colors are absolutely correct. It even appears to have that light bluish cast as do the other reference pictures. Take a look at the scan from the sticker book i posted...
It is navy.... and white. It is your eyes playing tricks on you to make you think it is blue. I would equate it to that old illusion where you stare at a black dot with a red circle around it for a minute. After the minute, you look at a blank white piece of paper and you see a green ring. Similar idea here, your eyes blend the navy and white to get a light blue. I don't know what to think about the type of fabric, i'd say study to picture I posted before of his collar.
Look at the HUGE difference between the colors of the shirt and the coat. We KNOW his face is white, and even THAT has a lavender/blue tint to it in this photo. Come on now, boys (and girls)
WGoble, just wondering if you have confirmation from Sithcamaro himself that it is one a pure white fabric...I'm starting to think that the base is white, but it is a hard subject...this fabric order is going to be HUGE!!! I mean huge!!! I can't get a sample done up without wasting a lot of valuable time and money. If we can't come to an agreement, I'll ask for a sample for comparison, but it will set production back weeks.
hmmmm lets here what sithcamaro actually used. Then ill revise my statement.
Here is the pattern in navy and white and a sided by side shot of the one from post 119 and the navy and white. Hope this helps.
You know, I'm not even going for a costume. I'm way too heavy to pull this one off and I refuse to shave. I just really like the pattern and want a shirt like this to wear with my suits.
I'll tell you what I'll do...
If any of you frequent the Hype (SHH) forum, then you know that pretty much every night it goes down and you get the "Database Error" message for about 2-3 hours. Anyway, point is that I am getting that message now.
There is a photo on the board of Toby's fabric before he started tailoring the shirt. The edge of the fabric has no print and it is just white. I'm not going to bet the farm on this, so if I post this photo and I'm wrong, I will openly admit it and say 'thank you for correcting me!', but right now, I'm pretty positive it is white............
So I was almost done with the post, and now the Hype board is working...
Here is what he said about the picture...
"...For some reason, the light blue colored shirts designs did not come out the color I had them. But I think they do look better on the white backing..."
Nah, anyway, here is some of what the other guys on the board said about the fabric.
yea youre right the white does look better but both are very cool looking though - jayff2005
I like the first(top) color/fabric best, looks more like the real one. -White_Knight191
Toby, my vote is for the white print.- BRIN
There you have it. Does this satisfy any and all queries on the subject?
As for the pattern, the only last issue is there are no polka dotted hexagons. That is, none of the hex cells are just evenly placed solid white circular dots... check the art book picture I posted and also the picture of the Joker's shoulder.
Sorry, I see the patterns have been fixed... awesome. They are getting really close!
since we pretty much have the pattern. We should try and vote. If you can put a survey box on here with 3 color sets (hex and fabric) and settle when at least a third or half the people have voted. the Hex size can always be decided later.
I'm going to put my vote for post 119. Pinder91's pattern with the correct color on a white fabric. It is really hard to realize that it is on a white fabric for some of you guys, but I REALLY agree with WGoble. If you really concentrate on the pattern you can see the white. Put a white sheet of paper next to it to help your eyes distinguish the colors.
Alright, I stand corrected and believe that it is in fact white.
I am with Kwally and WGoble completely. I bow to you both. :thumbup
No further questioning about the pattern, the color, the background, or the size. I would totally go with the #119 pattern and color, on a white material, with a 1 inch side on the hexagons. That is my final vote.
That is the shirt I think would look most like the one from the film, it is the one that I would want to own, and I think it will make most of us very, very happy...
Go Kwally, Go!!!
Last edited by Sinister; 08-09-2008 at 09:55 AM.
I totally agree at this point. The white looks the most accurate. Who knew when I asked to buy a shirt like this, it would cause this much hype.
This is my vote for sure. Pinder's pattern in this color on white.
Yeah, definitely the white with the 119 pattern. I'm getting really excited about this
I might even go for enough material for 2 shirts just to have a backup!
Do we have any idea on the price of one of these shirts yet?
Yeah guys, definitely glad to clear that up...
You guys can call me Wes by the way.
I'm gonna buy some extra fabric hopefully and make a cadet cap and patwork some chucks with it. (sounds kind of lame I know, but I think the end result will be cool and original.)
I hate to p-i-s-s in the bucket again,
lol, but i think printing on a WHITE fabric, you will need to use these colors. I mean, still you the pattern from post 119, but it looks washed out slightly... make the colors more pronounced like this. Imagine what they will look like on a white fabric... it will be slightly translucent with the right lighting. I've noticed with the fabrics, they come back a severely brighter sometimes... I'd go pretty harsh with the navy/violet color, and leave the base a basic white...
Look at both patterns with the art book scan and the jokers shoulder all at the same time... you will see what i mean. I promise...
I saw Toby's pattern before he printed it, and it was DEFINITELY very distinct in its colors and they were VERY bold as the pattern i just posted is. post 119 still has that violet cast all across it and the blue is pretty weak...
i love you guys (don't hate me, i only say this because i have had so many failed attempts at this shirt, i know what WON'T be right :-P) The point is, that EVEN if the 119 pattern has the look you want for your shirt (even though it is off) it will NOT look that way one white fabric... just trying to be crystal clear so no one gets let down or feels they could have a better product... We will work it out, I promise.
Last edited by WGoble; 08-09-2008 at 01:23 PM. Reason: Because I suck
I agree. Seems like sound advise Wes. Thanks for all your insight.
Here is the 119 pattern with the light blue exchanged for white. The darker blue is the same.
sweet deal... now, if we can just get the colors to match with the previous pattern and be completely bold and distinguished... we are set.
I would do it, but I'm not on my computer with the right software :-P
Well, cool. All we really need other than THAT is a quote... Come on Kwally!
The colors from post 150?
Yes, my friend.
What do you guys think about this shirt for $69? You can also buy the fabric to make the shirt yourself for $59. Will we be able to get the fabric and have the shirt made any cheaper than this?
We've already had discussion of that shirt over at the rpf....it is terrible!! VERY VERY OFF!! The color and hexagons are no where near the "real" pattern used in the movie. It would obviously work for a quick halloween costume, but I can't justify $80 for a very inaccurate shirt.
I agree, it doesn't look that accurate from the bad pics. Imagine if they were good. I say we stick with what we have, OR we could chip in and have a shirt made from the two colors we are fighting over and then vote off of that. Just my idea
yeah, stay clear of that ebay cr.ap fabric. I think $80 is really good for the price of an accurate shirt. Inaccurate, not so much... If they can find a place to print and sell for that price, so should we. If the quote comes back much higher, then we can work on it and ask the proprietor of that particular eBay store.
Language guys, language. don't forget the COC. We may be criminals, but lets be respectable ones.
I've been practicing my joker voice, and I absoutly can't get it down right. :o Still WWWAAAYYY to Richard Nixon-ish. And if I do it in a more lighter voice, way to JFK'ish. I've got till the end of October to practice, so hopefully I can finish that out here soon, and concentrate on licking my lips later this week. On a side note.....I hate that double neck of mine.
Edit - Anyone have any audio/video of Joker dialogue?
My Joker voice is down very well according to my fellow hunters. But i still dont think so.
I can do it a bit... at least a bit better than the You-Tube bum-wholes.
If you really want an audio byte, let me know, I can email it from my phone... too lazy to record it in my studio, bounce it, master it. and convert and upload and post... too long.
Panders pattern with colors from post 150.
How long would it take to get Samples? SInce we seem to be down to two. Then we can Vote from there especially then Having Kwally having them in hand can give the best endorsment to which to go with. Or just outright let him decide. THen the day he gets the samples we can get things going and be well ahead (hopefully) going towards Holloween. From the ways things look anyways We all trust Kdub's choice trying to make this as easy on him as possible. Also we should find out if any of us live fairly close to him and network alittle to try to get him some help with the cutting and shipping. i will continue this on another reply. hard to keep reading a long reply in one box. Keep reading below.
So what we need now also. Is start getting address's and anyone that is comfortable with it Phone #'s. so what we really need at this point is a Commitee or Secratery to lighten the load. Keeping in mind that we are still at least a week or two out of the earliest possible time we need everything just to be completly prepared and to make sure everyone interested is for one acounted for so we know how much is needed for each person and make sure we dont over or under order. Still A millon thanks KWALLY we are almost there!!!
Post #165 looks perfect to me.
Just let me know the details on the order and payment instructions when it is set to go. I will e-mail my address then...
This is getting really good!
Im still kinda wondering on the price but I know what its like trying to figure that out. So no rush. 165 looks perfect or as close to perfect as we can get without haveing the actual shirt.
Yeah guys, looks good. Let's just make sure that the color is as deep and bold as possible, because it will get lighter with the print. Like I said before, you will want the pattern a bit deeper blue/purple than it appears so that it ends up that way... Good onya though, mates.
If Samples are something we can get we should get one in the color as is then one with the deeper colors to see just how much lighter it will come. Price with as many people in on this including some that are wanting enough for multiples this will be a very reasonable price. As far as I personally go I'd prefer to pay over Paypal. THat would put all the money in place and if something were to happen where this was not to work out. THe money is in one place and easily returned. So I know none of us are in an extreme rush (Besides Just Being GIDDY!) but we will have to start thinking about a set in stone deadline payment. We dont want to have Kwally paying for half this order because he's waiting on us. I say lets be ready and do this right.
I agree with the PayPal method. It will keep it all in one safe location should anything go wrong. That way Kwally can oversee all of the funds and not be left out in the cold on the order. Also, it would allow anyone wanting to donate the chance to throw in extra cash.
No rush, but I do think that many of us are looking at wanting the material before Halloween, in order to make shirts in time.
I think a deadline on payment and a deadline on arrival of the material are needed to keep things on track.
I think this project will turn out quite well considering the vast number of people that are invovled.
Thanks again, Kwally for all your efforts...
Last edited by Sinister; 08-10-2008 at 01:36 PM.
paypal sounds good to me. Lets try not to rush this too much we don't want to accidentally do something we'll all regret.
Lets get a price first. I don't have PayPal though. So lets deffintly talk about price first.
Not in the best financial situation at the moment, but I NEED this fabric! I don't care if I go broke.
By the way, how much would a typical dress shirt cost to have sewn? I could barely get by sewing a vest for my Mando.
What im going to do is go but a bad shirt that fits me and then use that as a pattern and go from there
Like I said not to rush things just hoping to make things go much more smoothly and have extra time to spare and if need be have everything easily refunded. I know Kwally said he wasnt going to be able to be on as much for a bit here, but for right now at the very least should put a cut off date to at the least have a solid Idea of who all is going to be buying and how much. Then give a set period of time to which we get those people who are in on this to pay their portion. So then we can order and give time to have the fabric divi'ed up and sent out so then those who are making their shirts have time to do so and then us lazy folk (Like me) who are desperatly hoping to get someone else to make their shirts can also do so. I mean when it comes down to it we all dont want to be walking around in our nice screen acurate vests and ties that are hanging over our bare chests like some 70's rockstar do we? LOL! We got time, but we need order at this point as so we have more time to understand and be able to be Agents of Chaos. So as it is Kwally's baby no move without his word. We'll just continue to hammer this process out.
Im ridicoulously pale and skinny at this point myself LOL! So I'd be plenty unsightly as well my skin glowing in the dark through the vest. Only guy that dosnt need a flashlight to trick and treat. I'm hoping to get two shirts made myself. one for the costume and one Job interviews and stuff like that. Help people remember me.
Not bad on the make up... head over to the SHH forum and check out some of the make up jobs over there. They went from totally inaccurate to some being dead on. I'm not so great at it as of yet, but it will get better.
WOH!! Hey, guys!! Looks like a lot has been said since I've been on! Well, I have been thinking the exact thing. As far as payment is going to go....I thought that the best thing for me is as follows: I get a set in stone price per yard (hopefully tomorrow or soon after), everyone CONFIRMS how much they want, buyers pay by whatever method is convient, I place an order with a considerable buffer zone (I have a healthy portion in my bank account to do this), I get fabric in hand, I cut the fabric, package, and send out. I know that my girlfriend and I can get all 60 some orders cut and packaged over a weekend. Just bear with me here guys. I was hoping to have the order placed already, but it took a while just to get the company vice president's phone number. This all should be done shortly!!! Btw...if something goes sour...please don't kill me!!!
I also saw TDK in imax tonight...IT WAS AMAZING!! I payed close attention to the pattern on the shirt. There is absolutely no doubt that the base fabric is pure white. We may have a couple made up hexagons and be missing some, but it is probably too late to fix that now...oh well. If anyone rules at photoshop and wants me to explain what is wrong with pinder's pattern..just pm me
You guys are great.
Kwally, you are a good man... some day people will write songs of you. Well, maybe not, but it sounded cool.
Jodo, look into this stuff called rigid collodion. Application is fairly simple and the effect is pretty good. I know I reversed it but I was really eager to try the stuff.
Then I dabbled a bit in photoshop since it was late and I didn't feel like putting on the makeup.
wow that looks good. What is it exactly
Am I miss interpreting this honeycomb? I drew up a cartoon on what I see, but I have not seen anyone incorporate this design yet. Also attached it the ref photo I am using. Has this one been left off or is everyone seeing something different?
though taking it off is like pulling off a bandaid.
Seven!!! You rule!! That is one of the two hexagons I was talking about!! The one you drew up is really really easy to see in an imax!! NICE!!!
So, Kwally... Any update on the printing of the fabric, or the price per yard???
Pretty excited to finally hopefully have a price figured out. KWALLy Is TDK any different in IMAX Storywise? Im sure the sound and picture are TOO INCREDIBLE!!! I've seen it 6times on normal theatre screens Im still going to see it in Imax myself at least once! :thumbup
I'm going to have to see it again (not that I'm complaining =D ) to try and catch some more of these patterns. I'm going cross-eyed from scrutinizing hi-res photos.
How many do we have now that are spot on?
I'm with everyone here about using the white shirt base...and I know the eBay fabric is cr@ppy (pattern-wise), but it's only a matter of time before somebody snags a more SA pattern version (from here or SHH), and starts a run of that for eBay...the ugly stuff there is going for 60 bucks for 3.5 yards...that's roughly 18 bucks a yard...hopefully, we can get a better pattern and a better price, considering all the interest in this....
...oh, and Halloween is only about 60 days out, for those of us wanting to make that as a deadline....
I so want to know how much it will be. Do we have a ballpark estimate?