Stainless Steel Bordens: Continuous Run

Hey Guys,

As most of you know there is currently an awesome helmet sale thread and I will be providing some accurate Ali ears etc for that... :thumbsup
But I while that is being worked on it occurred to me that there were no accurate Borden's to be had... ;)
As most of you know you can buy a three hole Dental Borden tool but if you look at the holes on the available Borden's the three holes are in the wrong position as compared to the ref material (shown below).

Most of us end up cutting the Borden tool in half (myself included) to ensure the holes are lined up and positioned correctly.

So I was wandering if there would be any interest in an accurate sized Dental Borden tool, that has the holes lined up and positioned correctly and finish. These will be made in Stainless Steel to reflect the finish as seen in the pics below (pre-pro).
These would fit most, if not all helmets and the pricing being $20 Shipped or £12.50
PayPal addy - gavdrew007@aol.com

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Gav

1. slave1pilot (St/St)
2. Sentry02 (St/St)
3. Gino (St/St)
4. Grifter (St/St)
5. FettFanatic (x2) (St/St)
6. stormtrooperguy (St/St)
7. saint_nasty (St/St)
8. kbrosseau (x2) (St/St)
9. jinto (x2)
10. Darth Voorhees (St/St)
11. Jarvis
12. CaptainSolo (x2) (St/St)
13. stevenlramga (x2) (St/St)
14. mandalord3190 (x2) (St/St)
15. BH-2647 (x2) (St/St)
16. Sixxgunn13
17. Fett 4 Real (St/St)
18. HMPOTC33
19. yodakiller1138 (St/St)
20. Sixxgunn13 (St/St)
21. PEEL1965
22. Tsophika (St/St)
23. lonewolf327 (St/St)
24. LiquiTed (St/St)
25. Mk1Design (x2) (St/St)

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What's the delivery time on these?

interested.

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Originally Posted by slave1pilot

What's the delivery time on these?

interested.

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Depending on the qty of interested parties, maybe 2 weeks from go-time?

I'd be down for one myself.

Brad

im interested

Looks good.
Sign me up stainless.
Thanks for making these.

Cheers for the initial interest guys... ;)

Sign me up Gav!

interested in 2 right now maybe more in the future

Put me down for 2. Thanks.

Actually cancel that...the real ones only 8 dollars US I think Ill just cut it thanks though

I'm in.

For the "cutting in half" people, I think most of them are nickel plated brass. So, if you cut/flip, the finish will be wrong.

Ahhh they dont make em like they used to huh...well then I might need em then huh

i'd be interested

i've bought 4 real bordens and they've all been brass.

Amazing work!
Put me down for at least 2.

Im in for sure= X 2

i am TOTALLY in for one of these!

I'm in

Put me down for 2.

Robert

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Originally Posted by stormtrooperguy

i've bought 4 real bordens and they've all been brass.

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I agree Brian.... the ones I have bought and modified have all been brass.
Now...!!
I could offer brass versions for those that want them (lets open this up for accurate discussion) and the St/St version for the pre-pro versions. The brass would be more expensive due to the additional plating.

The question remains what is the 'right' way...
If indeed they found and used the Borden it would have been made of brass and have had some kind of nickel plating or equivalent, then parted off from the remainder of the piece... leaving a brass face.
The prop guys would not have gone through the hassle of re-plating the Borden, and on the ref pics I have seen it has weathering and cannot be 100% proven.

Here's a pic of a brass one I had made...

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Color me interested. Let me know when you need funds for this. Put me down for 2.

Hmmm I dunno about that one Mojo...do u think its possible it was SS back in the 70s and they make it out of brass now to save $$? Also check my PM on the knee darts.

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Originally Posted by Evilhemmes

Are you offering a way to affix it to the helm(ie threaded screw hole via the other end ect? welded chicago screw mounted method?)

ill take a photo of what i mean when i get home

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I dont think u would want that to be the way to attach it as none of the helmets have provisions for that...and its normally pretty thin. It was actually all the way through the fiberglass on the screen used helmet if i recall right glue would be the best way to permanently attach it...mine just wedges into the helmet

In most ofl the ref pics it seams that the out side is nikel and the inside is brass,
Ithink there is one or 2 that they are brass on the out side ,
I guess this can be atributed to the fact that the ones used in the real helmets(apart from the obvious difrentces) were like the ones we have acsess to throughh the dental suppliers, and when making them they originaly used 3 or 4 and cut them up and the ones with the nikel on the out side were the original surfaces and the brass face is from cutting them down .
Thats the way i see it, and it makes sense to me

Mojo put me down for two and theyre glued

http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/attac...334d1233418564

im down for 2 too

Yes they are definently glued in place using what looks like an old epoxy Arildite the old stuff used to be yellow when mixed

i've always just drilled a hole through the helmet and glued it in.

not only while you need to drill the hole through the cheek, you need to go right through the caston borden conector and get it flush '
Wht i do is drill a hole through the cast borden then place a dremel small drum bore through it back wards,so the drum is siting on the outside of the helmet and the metel rod inside then atach it to the dremal whilst still in placethen turn it on on the slower setting and pull it back through = perfect results every time

count me in for two sets

Gav, count me in for one.

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Originally Posted by Fett 4 Real

Hmmm I dunno about that one Mojo...do u think its possible it was SS back in the 70s and they make it out of brass now to save $$? Also check my PM on the knee darts.

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I'm not sure on this to be honest.. I've not seen any ref that 100% determines what it was.
What I have posted in the 1st post is the kinda pre-pro version where it clearly shows a stainless Steel version, so would look awesome set into the GMH...
I was gonna do the Brass versions as from the ones I have they are Brass (core material) with plating.

If there is anyone that has a gem of ref to the Borden used on say the Hero lid I'd love to see it.

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Originally Posted by Fett 4 Real

Mojo put me down for two and theyre glued

http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/attac...334d1233418564

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This is exactly how these will be fitted (as per originals) why offer accurate Borden's only to have them screwed into the lid? ;)

Oh and I forgot to add...

I will need to know what version you guys want? St/St or plated Brass?
as I said in initial post, I'm still getting costs in for the brass version. :thumbsup

SS for me since I'm ROTJ ;)

stainless for me as well, rotj represent.

Cheers Nate and SN.. will update the list for ya. ;)

SS for me as well mojo...thanks for the reply on the darts too...I lost the right pointy one on I kinda need to upgrade and replace haha

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Originally Posted by Fett 4 Real

SS for me as well mojo...thanks for the reply on the darts too...I lost the right pointy one on I kinda need to upgrade and replace haha

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Yeah I'll have both sorted for ya... ;)

It's my opinion that all the borden style pieces on the fett helmets are not actual found pieces, but rather quick and dirty pieces that were machined by the machine shop to emulate the found part (in this case a borden connector).
They did a similar thing to the spiraled greeblies found on the tie pilot helmets and tie pilot/imperial officer belt buckles.

I think they are all either aluminum and polished or stainless. I don't think any were brass.
The ESB hero is clearly not brass. The brass color you see is actually the beige-ish paint that was spattered all over the helmet.
There are some good pictures that show this clearly.


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Gino thats a pretty fair assesment...I think that would be way easier for them also

Ill get either 2 SS and 1 brass(if it can be proven they did use brass ones in any other lids)
If not ill get 3 SS please

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Originally Posted by jinto

Ill get either 2 SS and 1 brass(if it can be proven they did use brass ones in any other lids)
If not ill get 3 SS please

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I'll stick ya down for 3 stainless unless things with the brass Info changes bruv.. ;)

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Originally Posted by Gino

It's my opinion that all the borden style pieces on the fett helmets are not actual found pieces, but rather quick and dirty pieces that were machined by the machine shop to emulate the found part (in this case a borden connector).
They did a similar thing to the spiraled greeblies found on the tie pilot helmets and tie pilot/imperial officer belt buckles.

I think they are all either aluminum and polished or stainless. I don't think any were brass.



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Gino,
Why do you believe this?
Sure, it's possible but I don't understand why they would machine something they had in hand.
can you help me out?

well how many swing arms would they have taken apart for all the Boba Parts? Would it have made sense to machine everything?

This is the type/level of discussion I wanted to see... I wanna hear theories and or see any ref that maybe eluding me.
I want to produce the most accurate part so this can only be healthy.. :thumbsup

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Originally Posted by slave1pilot

Gino,
Why do you believe this?
Sure, it's possible but I don't understand why they would machine something they had in hand.
can you help me out?

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Sure thing.
When you look at the hi-res pics of the bordens on the real helmets, you can see some aspects that point toward not being a real piece.
One thing is the 3 holes themselves. On the real found part bordens, the holes have very precise bevels on the hole openings.
The ones on the helmets are very irregular and you can tell they were just created with a hobby file. Not necessarily to re-create the bevels, but probably more to remove the metal flashing from when the holes were drilled.

Another thing is the front surface (the surface facing you when you look at the helmet).
You can clearly see the rough machining marks in a swirl pattern. The grain is very coarse which means they were cut very messy and quick with no thought of a nice finished surface.
On every real borden I've ever seen, the surface is absolutely flawless.

I agree, it does make more sense to just get a bunch of random found parts vs making machined copies.
I do know that having parts made from the machine shop for the OT productions was quite easy for them and they did a lot of it.
There are examples of other found parts that they replicated in mass (although that still doesn't seem like the easiest way to me either) but we know for a fact they did it for some other found parts.


Gav has some pretty decent pics of the aspects I described on the real helmets' bordens.
Gav-feel free to post them, the ones we discussed awhile back.


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I will side with Gino on this, it just seems smarter to do. They probably had one of those bordens on hand, and when they made all the helmets that they sent to the various artists, they probably just machined more and slapped them in there as opposed to buying 6+ more after the initial build.

I can buy in to Gino's theory as well. If you think about it... the bordon connector is still made/used today, yet the holes don't line up right. In order to get a real one to look like that you have to cut it off and flip it around. I wouldn't imagine they'd go through that much effort.

I'd guess that somewhere along the line they used a real one that was laying around. When they wanted to make more helmets they could have just taken a piece of metal stock, drilled some holes in it, then chopped slices off.

Either way, stainless for me :)

Interested

Ginos theory sounds about right to me as well. Since i am ESB Fett, SS for me Gav!

Stainless steel for me, too !
Thanks !

List updated guys... :thumbsup
Still need more to come back to me on material preference, I'm gonna start to get a whole bunch made up.

You can put me down for SS. Thanks.

Put me down for both Stainless Steel.

List updated guys... cheers

Put me done for 1 stainless.

Stainless for me Gav. Thanks!

ss for me 2 gav thanks

SS for me, and I want 2 of them as well.

All Updated guys...
Happy New Year. :thumbsup

i'm a little too excited about this, giddy is a good term for it. any idea of when you're going to put these into production?

Ok Im so ready for the ears and bordens to be ready any ETA bud?

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Originally Posted by Fett 4 Real

Ok Im so ready for the ears and bordens to be ready any ETA bud?

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I know your keen bruv... Knee darts and all!
I'm gonna gonna start these asap.

HAHA...Oh one more thing bud...are you gonna be doing range finder stalks? If your not I just want to see about getting one lined up from someone

Ditto on what F4R said, I just bought a stalk that's Aluminium but would love to get one of yours, seeing as I'm planning on getting all my Ali stuff from you :D

Welsh

And that the stalk is NOT the same as the premium and past stalks according to FP

nice work

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Originally Posted by Fett 4 Real

HAHA...Oh one more thing bud...are you gonna be doing range finder stalks? If your not I just want to see about getting one lined up from someone

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Yes.. Stalks will be available with the Ali ears. ;)

Ok guys, St/St versions are being machined... I expect a 2 turnover till I open the gates for funds. So if your wanting any I will need you to add your names now? Plenty to go around... ;)

SS for me on mine please. Thanks!

Brad

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Originally Posted by Sentry02

SS for me on mine please. Thanks!

Brad

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Got ya covered.. list updated guys. ;)

Weekend bump.. ;)

Waiting on the quote for brass :)

Updates tonight... ;)

Hey Gav,
Put me down for what ever is considered movie accurate.

Hey Gav,
Could you throw me on the list? Thanks. Will be interested in stalk and ears once I get in line for the GMH as well......

I would be down for a stainless steel one if still available. Thanks!

brassbrassbrassbrassbrassbrassbrassbrassbrass

hey mojo i want a s/s and maybe stalk-ears. would u p/m me with pricon stalk-ears

just wondering, how much longer until this interest thread is a go?

Add me for onee in SS. I'll also be up for a set of ears and such once my GMH arrives. PM coming.

Sorry for the delay... hope to have pics up later and open the gates for payment. ;)

Cheers

Hey Guys, this is a go...
I'm trying to load up some final pics of the finished St/St version ready to be shipped out to you all BUT... there seems to be something wrong? the site freezes and goes to a blank white page?? :(
1st post updated with final price which is shipped.

Ok this is getting a little annoying!!! it worked the other day...

Mojo if you want me to load it up on my flickr send em to me in an email fett4real@gmail.com

NM seems you got it...and news on the ears?

[QUOTE=Mojo-Fett;528774]Hey Guys, this is a go...
I'm trying to load up some final pics of the finished St/St version ready to be shipped out to you all BUT... there seems to be something wrong? the site freezes and goes to a blank white page?? :(
Ive had that happen alot lattley it is a real enouiance,
Cant wait to get your hole set stalk ears borden it will realy add to the brilliance of the GMH

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Originally Posted by Fett 4 Real

Mojo if you want me to load it up on my flickr send em to me in an email fett4real@gmail.com

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Email sent bud... ;)

Thanks for the payment Tsophika, your Borden will go out asap. ;)
For those that got back to me via PM, I'll update the list with your material and qty's

PP sent, thanks man for doing this run !

Gino, Peel1965 & BH-2647 thanks allot for your payments... ;)

Hey Gav..will be sending payment end of next week!

Funds sent thanks Gav

P/P SENT thanks mojo ,also sent p/m

payment sent Gav pm in your inbox as well

Payment sent for my 2 bordens and 2 sets of toe spikes bro. Thanks!

Thanks for the funds guys... ;)
Will update the list later, anymore for anymore...

last post of page 1! btw, payment sent!