KayDee, I am a little confused, is the top left swatch the one you got from that store in Cali, or is it from your pantone book? And, is the "actual" (on the right) the same one that KimnCris had? and, if so, when you say neoprene, do you know if it was just thicker foam? I got the feeling from looking at the KnC shot that it was almost like headliner foam (like from a car) And, with your shot, there is no foam shot, so I didn't know if it was the same swatch. I inquire about this, only cause headliner foam - less dense, more thick, has a tendency to crease, and in some special shots that Zam is in, there are creases. If the neoprene relaxes which it does more easily than headliner, you usually don't have the creasing, Especially if it's hung on a mannequin. Just some tidbits on how density of foam and type of foam and thickness of foam's reaction on what you see in pictures. I know in dressing a galaxy they said "neoprene." But technically, there are tons of different types. Partial dissertation on neoprene here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoprene
Yep, ZIA neoprene is open cell. I figured they (Trisha Biggar) would've use something thicker for short time length movie shots and (and budget). But for practical at home sewing purposes and costuming (in all climates )purposes, I had the neoprene co. thin it down as much as possible on the off chance that people could sew it at home. Even though, technically, it would be better to sew it with an industrial. I didn't want people passing out, thus open cell. If it was closed cell, people would suffocate like vinyl does.
Flash and angle sure does make a difference.
Kaydee pic with flash
KnC pic with flash
Kaydee pic no flash
Stretchhouse pic comparison (no flash) from another thread.
Take into consider movie filters screen shots, photoshopped promo pics, vd pics, etc.
Look at Kaydee's pic next to knc's how hard is that to discern?!
! ZIA fabric (her 1st and 2nd pic flash and no flash- bottom left swatch) looks closer to Knc's shot imo. What do you think? The sheen is the biggest problem. Short of taking the swatch from the actual source swatch to a professional dying company to match the pantone, we're never gonna get it 100%. That's what I had hoped long time ago to get when the huge "dressing a galaxy" when all the swatches came out. Mine book didn't come with a zam swatch unfortunatly. Boy, was I scouring.
Visual dictionary or Dressing a galaxy called it dark lilac I think. But Kaydee's top left swatch is pretty darn close without the flash, but Kaydee's pic with the flash top left swatch, almost looks too pink imho.
I just wanted to play devil's advocate, and also help people reconcile the feelings of the need for accuracy and what people will ultimately wear. Accuracy of color according to which photo, screen shot, lighting etc. is what we can all plainly state, that it matches one or some of the xyz shots. Obviously, unless we had the real swatch to take to the manufacturer, we can't be 100% and there are "closer colors." I am glad that the ZIA fabric is one of the "closer" ones and the fabric is has a sheen to enable lighting variances
I do also see the need for a drabbier gray.