I'm good with whatever method the masses need. I'm not going to be working on the undersuit right away so it's not as much as a rush for me as it might be for those who want it before C4.
Discussion on Neoprene under suit-second batch? within the Zam Wesell Costume forum, part of the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy Bounty Hunters category; I'm good with whatever method the masses need. I'm not
I'm good with whatever method the masses need. I'm not going to be working on the undersuit right away so it's not as much as a rush for me as it might be for those who want it before C4.
Honestly, I think I might prefer priority mail with insurance. I don't need it in a rush, but if for some crazy reason it gets lost in the mail I'd want to be covered for my $225 dollars. I know anything over 50 dollar value of insurance requires a signature, but that is OK by me.
I'm willing to pay for priority and insurance. I'd rather be covered as well
I don't know if this applies to me but I'd pay for insurance to the good ol' U of K too
Insurance is a must. That's how I lost mucho $$ cause the last time I lost a shipment, and it wasn't either of us' fault, but I gave him back his $$ anyway. I even had a friend try to track it down. The question is more for parcel post vs. priority.
I'd say priority since that's supposed to have a little faster delivery time. The less time it's in the system the less chance there'll hopefully be of something happening to one of the packages. It'll be a pretty penny either way cause of the weight. How heavy are you estimating the packages will be, ZIA? 20+ lbs since you're saying shipping will be in the $21-$34 range?
What shipping method was used last time?
Would it be cheaper to ship through UPS or Fedex considering the weight?
Whatever's cheapest, I'm not in a hurry
Oh, and what I did on the first run before - USPS, parcel post (1 shipment got lost) and no insurance on the first 6 or so people. I won't be doing that again. It HAS to be prepaid Insurance. I would suggest priority too-less chance for them to mess up is a better feeling...
UPS- I checked the pricing. It is about $5.00 less, but truthfully, I won't ship through them because it's all the way across town. As it is, I have to make several trips because I own a dinky 4 door car with no trunkspace. I don't have a truck and I now have a child taking up a carseat. So, sorry, I can't save you guys anymore cash other than the choice of parcel post vs. priority.
Last edited by Zam I Am; 01-11-2007 at 07:43 PM.
IMO, a $5 difference is no biggie if using UPS would be a hassle for you.
I posted the run on a couple of forums, hope we get another person if needed
I have someone who is interested in the run Zam I Am. Im just filing them in with the details, they have joined on TDH but cant post for 24 hours so have asked me to register interest on their behalf.
So we may very well have the last person for the run
Don't make this any more work for yourself to save us $5.00. I'm good with that. I remember the small car and kids, that's why after the second we bought a mini-van
Hi Zam I Am
My names Anne and I saw Langsuirs666 post on one of the forums and would like to fill your last space if there still is one. I've been wanting to start a Zam for ages and am hoping now I finally can I am in the UK as well. I was in such a rush I haven't had chance to read the rest of the forum to catch up on all the details so I'll do that over this weekend.
This looks like a great site, I hope to drop in more often. Thanks to Langsuir666 for posting up on my forum.
If it's a goer I better start dieting and going to the gym to look good in the costume but as I am a novice at these things I may have more than enough time for that LOL
pm me with your info, on the page 1 of this thread. I can't close the list and send out shipping info and recieve payment until I have ?: info from EVERYONE. So everyone please check your names on the list.
Last edited by Zam I Am; 01-13-2007 at 08:02 PM.
Today is 1/15/07
1)* Ice Heart
9)*Droid Collector (Raul)
13) Vader674 (need your email... lost it sorry.)
16) * tk2542
18 )* Swannie17
The list is technically filled, but some people have pm'ed me with great interest, and if the people don't respond to my pm's in the next 2 days with the requested info, I may have to boot their spot off the list.
Doing shipping quotes on the TDH via pm is too cumbersome. I have already sent a private message on the board to those with a by their name on the master list for the information I still require of them. There is one person without an email, several without methods of payment and 1 without an address (I had to look their address up on a alternate board's profile). Please respond soon. What will happen is your quote and price will be given to you via email. I cannot put in the bulk order unless I have the money in hand and everyone's info correct. Please update any existing info if it is wrong and reply back to me. When everything is corrected, you may make arrangements to start sending in the money. According to the correct total cost. My paypal is email@example.com. This message will be quoted in the email plus some extra info.
All will be shipped with signature confirmation. Those that have said they want priority, will get theirs shipped priority (2 day). Those that wanted it cheaper, will get it shipped parcel post. Anyone who hasn't responded in the thread that are receiving domestic US shipments~ I put the default to be priority. All shipments must have insurance calculated in the cost. For those with international shipping, I will include insurance and it will be sent airmail parcel post 4-10 days estimated delivery. (Global rates are a lot more I assumed the cheaper, the better.)
Remember, I still have to receive payments, put the order in, and there's a 2 1/2 month turn around. Sigh. I hope people can make it by C4.
An Email with your costs will be in your email inbox soon!
Last edited by Zam I Am; 01-18-2007 at 09:24 PM.
Ta for doing this
AWE man! I got this message from paypal.Don't send money yet!
I didn't realize this change had happened. DUH! and I think someone had posted something about it. I have to upgrade my paypal. Please send in the difference guys. I am sorry. if you want to change payment by US check, or money order, that's cool. But LMK so I can send you my addy.
So if you are paying by paypal, please add 2.9% +.30 to your total. UGH, if you live out of the US you have to pay a $2.94 cross the border fee too. I don't like all this "businessy" stuff YUCK! I will send you another email with all the correct totals. SORRY... That's why I seriously dislike doing these things. Takes all the fun outta the hobby. Ya know?A Premier account allows you to accept credit or debit card payments for only 2.9% plus $0.30 USD per transaction. Note: You can only accept $500.00 USD monthly and up to 5 credit or debit card payments annually with a Personal account.
Wow paypal is crafty, even though I add on the percentage, they still technically make $3.00 off of me. WOW, it's a vicious percentage loop.
Last edited by Zam I Am; 01-15-2007 at 09:12 AM.
My e-mail flagged you as spam. :P I PMed you my info. Also, we'll pay by check if that's okay.
Hi ZIA, my email is the one you have... is fully funtional, receiving emails everyday... please, try it again if you need it !!! . I pm it again to avoid problems
My baby is sick, havent sent out the corrected amounts out yet.
Awww.....hope your little one is feeling better soon!
Hope he feels better quick!
Let's know when you are ready for payment
I think I have a grip on their percentages. It's 3.9 % +.3 actually for crossing the border, not a standard. UGH. Still recalculating guys. I need to make sure I ain't short changed because of their continuous percentage loop. TK8456 you were the "lab rat" so to speak in doing this. I got shortchanged, cause I didn't read all their "fees." :rollseyes Not your fault, but it made me have to recalculate everything. I will figure this out as soon as possible. I am almost getting everything right on the excel sheet. Sorry, lots of shipping changes. Go figure, I should have paid more attention to the stipulations. Wow talk about fine print. Like I said, if you are domestic US participants and want to pay by check / money order /western union instead, then you won't have to pay the paypal fees and can use total 1 or total 2. The fees are ranging from $7-$19.00? Those across the border are paying more via paypal, but it's cheaper than some other fees. If you are definately paying by check/money order and listed as paypal before, please email me so I don't have to fool with the algebra to get the paypal figures right. My brain hurts. If you need my address, lmk. You should get a second email with all the paypal corrections soon. If you already told me you were paying by check, then, you won't get an email (unless there was a address correction.)
Unless you've already finished my amount please don't give yourself any more headaches.
I can send a check out ASAP if you want to PM me your address.
This sounds like far more work than it should be.
If you've already done the math than I'll paypal so it's not done in vain.
I have sent EVERYONE an email or a pm. You guys can start sending in your $$ now. PLEASE clear up the problems with me soon.
Last edited by Zam I Am; 01-18-2007 at 10:08 AM.
Hey guys! I just talked to the paypal people and they said that echeck is a maximum of $5.00. Can someone explain this to me? Do they tack on another .039 +.30 after they charge you the echeck fee?
Last edited by Zam I Am; 01-17-2007 at 10:00 AM.
C'mon guys.-.. Payment day !! we have to keep this rolling !!!
I will post paid on the first page of this thread for those who have paid, as soon as it clears the bank. Some people's $$ can't clear the bank until 8 working days. Just to let you all know. I know that I emphasised paypal by debit, but because I changed to a premier account, I can accept credit card payments now. So, if anyone wants to use their credit card instead, don't let that stop you.
Paypal'ed. Great to see things moving along. Thanks for all the work you've put into this run, ZIA.
Check is in the mail
Due date for payments to clear the bank is Jan 29th. Please make sure you have enough funds, I don't want to receive a bad check and have to boot someone off or push back dates. Mid-april is the expected ship date. Sorry for those who want it before CIV (May 24) - a one month pressure to get everything sewn /done.
I mailed my check yesterday morning...
I've paid. I changed it to PayPal Credit Card if thats ok, as it was the quickest and easiest way for me.
13) Vader674 (need your email)
Haven't heard a reply about what you want!!!! I have changed out two people already. Please respond. This is why the list is still open. Those who want the spot MUST BE TDH MEMBERS FIRST I give/gave priority to those who 1)are TDH members 2)responded the quickest 3) Gave me all their info. I updated the list on the first page of this thread.
Last edited by Zam I Am; 01-18-2007 at 10:35 PM.
Ship to: Address
I then will send you an email with all the costs including paypal fees, S&H, etc.
How come Raul / droidcollector is on there twice? The bolt that I'm paying for is actually for him. Is he getting 2 on his own plus the one I'm getting for him?
Moncal, you will have to talk to him about it.
Replaced the last questionable person without info. Sorry, but I tried my best to get in contact with that person several times via pm's and even posting to another board that their friends may have frequented. No luck, so I had to boot that person. Terribly sorry, but deadlines need to be met and the last time that person got in touch with me was 12/16/06 and without the full info.
Spot replaced. And hopefully I can close the list now. No more people that can't commit, right? Speak via pm now or forever hold your peace. I need the transactions to happen straight away.
Somewhat annoyed... The bank takes 5 business days to clear a check if it's from someone outside of my state. I thought it would have been three days, that's why I waited till today to deposit most of them. They said it wouldn't be until Friday, February 2nd that they would clear, as Saturday doesn't count as a business day. I can't put in the order till stuff clears. Sorry guys. And I am waiting on one check that could push the date back further.
Well, for what it's worth, I can guarantee you that my check will clear. Absolutely. No doubt about it. If that helps any, which it probably doesn't. Oh, well.
Stupid banks, anyway.
The banks tell us that they need those days to "clear" the check... the reallity is that they USE our money THOSE DAYS... and the money produce for them !!! they get a lot of profits with our money in those few days...
MONKEY BUSSINESS !!! what a **** !!!
Waiting on one person! Hopefully the PO's can be faxed this week! The banks cleared stuff today!
Excellent!! WE can finally get this baby rollin'
YAY! All paid up, I will call into the 1st manufacturer tomorrow, and hopefully get the first PO faxed.
Yippee!!! Thanks so much for all your hard work on this, ZIA!!
S W E E T !!! Great work ZIA, . God bless you
Thanks for all of your work, ZIA!
Thanks, ZIA! :thumbup
At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last we will have neoprene.
A non-issue, but just to let you know, it won't be royal blue nylon backing, but black instead, which is more screen accurate. I thought I posted it somewhere, but can't find that post/email. Just FYI. Oh, and the neoprene company has the material for processing at the moment. (So, it's already been dyed).
Thanks for the update!
And thanks so much for doing this. I can never day that enough.
Thanks for the update, really nice to hear some news ...
About the backing nylon... umm.. black instead blue... that's amazing !!! that is something I had thought in the past, but I didnt want to put more pressure onto this , but I really really prefer it in black !!! SO, even more amazing !!!
Thanks ZIA for everything.
Oh man!, sorry, he messed up the order, he was looking off of the first po and did everything in royal blue, what a PAIN!
Excuse me cause I didnt understood your last post (my poor english), so they are mking it in royal blue ??? instead of black ???
PITA! And he didn't put my Purchase order "special instructions" on the run. ARG! I am so ticked. Well, i guess you all can do blue screen shots, when her arm gets wacked.
I just talked to him and I had the lycra framed at 64" and I think they cut that off too! I am sorry. Things aren't making me any happier today. At least it's still at 60" width rather than what was on the first run.
oh BTW, when I post that the run will be shipped to you guys, please PRAY. PLEASE PRAY, that it gets to you ok. Like I said before, I lost one shipment last time. I don't want that ever to happen again. The boxes are oversized, so USPS has a tendancy to act like gorillas with these things. I will put "fragile" on all of them. But, they still act like bulls in a chinashop with packages most of the time. You overseas people are lucky, that the boxes will barely "make the mark" meaning, it "just fits" the shipping requirement dimentions, for it to go on a plane.
Last edited by Zam I Am; 03-01-2007 at 07:55 AM.
Since your "special instruction" requests weren't honored on an order that the supplier agreed to and that you payed for, shouldn't they have to do it over again rather than you need to grin and bear it?
I agree that seems messed up. They should have to do it again or give you a discount.
Absolutely. It's their fault. You stand your ground and get what you ordered. That's the way of business.
Well, what can I do? the supplied lycra was custom dyed from a different company. I can't spend the extra time and my own $$ to have the custom dye job done yet again. They can't unglue and re-laminate something that's been perma-glued together.
Sorry im confused - what have they done blue? LOL I think because ive just got up my brain hasnt switched on yet
Hmmm.. that is a pickle isn't it? If they had an agreement to make it one way and they messed up the fabric wouldn't it be their responsibility and expense? .. on the other hand if it's just blue on the underneath that's not really a big deal.
I also agree, it's their fault, so they should take care of it... if they ruin any material, shouldnt they solve the problem ???
I really dont understand it... If you said you want it black, and with other special instructions YOU ARE PAYING FOR... and they simply do what they want, and not your instructions ??? something is going wrong there... !!! ... I really dont understand it... (not talking about You, but about them !!! ).
If its just that its blue on the underneath im presonally not that fussed, is rather just get the neoprene sooner and have it blue rather than pay again, wait again and have black on the underneath. I think you should push for some money off due to their mistake though, they cant get away with it scott free
Yes yes... I'm also agree with that... I would really prefer it in black, BUT if there is no way... there is no way... .
What I would do is what others here have told... ask them for a compensation for THEIR mistake !!! (because is their fault !!! ).
As long as the public facing side is cool, all is cool. No one will really see the black/blue side so I'm sure it'll be cool.
I'd go with what you have but try and get a refund/discount. It's nice of you to take this order on so keep mine and buy yourself something nice for all the hassle
Could the blue side be dyed black by us somehow?
Try and 'blag' them by saying it'll cost "you" to have it made black, make up some rubbish about why it MUST be black LOL, and get a partial refund/discount. After all it is what you ordered.
If you ordered a new car and you said you wanted it black and it was blue, what would you do?
You'd kick butt wouldn't you?. Kick butt baby!!!!
Was the black color in the original order instructions or was that something that just came into play when the guy apparently was reading the wrong order form? Either way, the color difference doesn't bug me since it's not the visible side, but what did sound bothersome is that ZIA mentioned that they might have lopped 4" worth of material off. It sounds like a partial refund/discount is in order on their part in either case if that cut did happen since that was expensive material they were supplied with.
Thanks for the support 'yall. I am in discussions with them right now about it. Will let you know how it turns out.
Good luck ZIA! We are thinking of you
Last edited by Zam I Am; 03-02-2007 at 02:45 PM.
Ah. The color of the neoprene doesn't matter, I don't think since it isn't seen. (I had been expecting it to be blue like the 1st run anyway.) Your post had made it sound like things had gone rather wrong and that things were cut off that shouldn't have been etc.
What special requests didn't get followed then since I take it the trimming was supposed to happen? Just the color difference?
Trimming was NOT to happen, The nylon backing color was supposed to be black.
Sorry, to clarify, I wanted them to have the lycra at 64" width hanging over the side, over top of the neoprene. Neoprene and nylon were going to be 60" regardless. So why they trimmed the over hanging lycra baffled me. This was even how the old purchase went through; to look like this (measurements in pic are from the old batch); So, it would have had a 4" overhang or be 2 inches on each side of the nylon, if fabric was centered.
That does sound strange. I wonder why they lopped that off. I guess as long as there's enough to make each suit, then it's all good. The blue underneath is fine too. Nobody sees that anyway.
BUT.. I still think you should tell them you're not happy if they made changes after the agreement, get a refund, and go buy yourself something .. so keep the extra dough for yourself!!!
I don't really care about the backing. Blue is fine. I DO care that the overhang we needed to get the waist of the pants and the bottom of the shirt to look right isn't there now. I don't think the company can use "we misread the order" as an excuse, especially considering the amount of money involved here. I definitely think that, if you can't argue them into starting over at their expense (which, they SHOULD do), then you need to ask for a full refund including the cost of the lycra and take your business somewhere else. If you bought 5 yards of fabric off Ebay and the seller sent you 4 1/2 yards... that's fraud, and you can file a claim or legal proceedings. Why is this situation any different?
Last edited by Iceheart; 03-04-2007 at 08:35 PM. Reason: I can't type tonight...
Exactly !!! There is a lot of money involve here, so everything must be like they promised... no more no less, that is why they are getting paid for... dont you think so ?
If I sent you all an extra yard of just plain same colored lycra, would that suffice for the overhang or giving it a nicer "finish"? My seamstress used extra lycra that I purchased and sewed it onto on the edges of the neckline, the bottom of the boddice and the ankle side of the pants (see last pic on page). Now, those parts aren't seen on the actual costume, and, technically, if you just sew the very edge of the tricot, it shouldn't fray like other materials. So, there is no need for a "finished edge." If you see on this page http://www.zamiam.com/ZamIAm/CropTop%26Pants.html Technically, the bodice edge isn't sewn over with overhanging lycra. She said she couldn't technically use just the 'overhang', cause of the angled cut on the side. You can see the black showing just a hair. And my seamstress didn't use the overhang to sew the pants top. She said it was nice in theory, but you would have gathering problems during sewing, or it bending funny if you just used the lycra "folded over." She just folded the neoprene over and sewed down because the lycra is so "wrinkly" that it would cause the pants top (if sewn over) not to be even, or possibly bow.
So, you really have to ignore picture #6 on the page. Actually, you can ignore pic #5 also, because that neoprene sample is the wrong density. That's not the thin neoprene you guys have. You can "fold over" the neoprene that was supplied because it has less bulk, but you have to sew it down the welt to keep it flat.
Last edited by Zam I Am; 03-05-2007 at 07:43 AM.
It's completely up to you how you want to manage your relationship with this company - if, in the interest of future dealings, you aren't comfortable demanding a refund, that is fine with me. However, you shouldn't incur any extra expense fixing their mistake!
Oh, after all your posts, I am definitely going to demand something, just want to know what figures I am dealing with before I give them exacting figures of what they owe me or how. There has to be fair accounting for customer satisfaction on my end and your end. I want to make sure that I am straight with you all first too and that you guys are completely satisfied with 60" width x 5 yrds of tricot custom dyed lycra , neoprene, with blue nylon backing. I wanted to make sure and solid, that I in no way mislead you guys with any of the posts, and you will have what you need and there are no change in terms. On my end of course, yes, I do want to continue a working relationship with them just "incase." But moreso, I want to know so that I can start sending out the material and you're 100% satisfied with what you are getting and there is no misinformation from my end on product recieved.
I'm sorry, but the bottom line is that if what was printed in the contract was not adhered to, then it is THEIR mistake and THEY should redo the order to YOUR specifications.
By demanding that they comply with what was agreed to should in no way damage any business relationship...in fact, THEY should be bending over backwards to make YOU happy since its their mistake.
My two cents!
I'd say at the very least the company should give us a partial refund since THEY messed up on the color of the under fabric. (They should have offered you one on the spot!) I'd insist that they do another run, but I can see where covering the cost of buying new lycra and dying it would be tricky to negotiate. So I can make due with blue since it really isn't seen.
It sounds like we don't really need overhang to make our garment, but we do need scraps of matching lycra to finish off some of the edges of our tops. Since our overhang is now gone, I hope we can get some extra matching purple lycra from ZamIAm. Then I'll be satisfied.
Last edited by Kay_Dee; 03-05-2007 at 11:20 AM.