Neoprene under suit-second batch?

**Zam I Am** · 11-02-2005, 09:13 AM

http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/f29/fellowship-bodysuit-shipped-3031/

I saw some interest in this awhile back and recently and am considering starting a second batch. Life has taken a hold of me and I am slower to respond to requests so please bear with me. I cannot be quick to post or respond to letters like I used to. I mebbe visit the forums once a week to respond to things. I also have been having major comp conversion issues. Like before though, there are specific requirements for me to fill in order to make this order happen. I need a minimum number of people in order to do this bulk purchase. If you are definately interested, please post your name. Also, if you read through the entire bodysuit thread above, you will get an idea of the research, money and time dedicated into getting this fabric. When the requirements are met, I will need payment upfront to have everything manufactured. The requirements have changed, and once I do an analysis of the price increase by the manufacturers and product availability, then I will post the requirements. Last time, I lost considerable amount of money doing this. Please realize, if this doesn't work to all of our benefit, I will have to drop the project. All shipments of fabric must have insurance paid. I think there still needs to be 18 people in order to make this work, but we'll see, like I said, I have to recalculate all the requirements. Please post questions here. You will be receiving 5 yards of tricot neoprene, exactly the same as the first run in color, but with a 60" width. Should be enough for one person. List closed
Thanks,
Interest List:

1)* Ice Heart Paid Rec'd
2)*Resilient Paid Rec'd
3)*sl/tk8456 Paid Rec'd
4)*Seven Paid Rec'd
5)*KimnCris Paid Rec'd
6)*Farfetched Paid Rec'd
7)*Zamovar Paid Rec'd
8 )*Laiori Paid Sent Arrived
9)*Droid Collector (Raul) Paid Rec'd
10)*Benekov Paid Rec'd
11)* Droid Collector Paid Rec'd
12)*BFett333 Paid Rec'd
13) *Sandman Paid Rec'd
14)*Moncal Paid Rec'd
15)*Me*gonk Paid Rec'd
16) * tk2542 Paid Sent, In customs
17)* Kay_Dee Ck Paid Rec'd
18 )* Swannie17 Paid Sent, Left U.S.

List closed Manufacturing the stuff takes 2 month and 1/2 turn around at best, and I have to measure, lay out, and cut everyone's fabric bolts to the yardage, cut all the boxes for labeling and shipping. If you have been interested or know someone who has been interested please make sure to get them in now. I will be making calculations on price, call the manufacturers with real numbers. The estimated price per person from last time's run was $225.00. It is now the same but without shipping and handling costs. So if you can't afford at least that, then please don't put your name on the list. Info I need first though, is: The people with marked

by their name, please give me the following info: Your real name, your TDH name,physical address for shipping the fabric, your email address, preferred method of payment paypal; money order; US check; or Western Union; are the only methods accepted. The amount listed on this thread will not include shipping to you, all of those charges will have to be calculated separately on a per person basis, as we have several people on the list that are from foriegn countries. The cost of shipping to and from the various companies, however, will be incorporated. I will also have to charge shipping insurance on all the fabric. I can't afford the loss like last time. The necessity for finally closing the list eventually is because once I have a final number of people, and all the money works out. ?: info and payment from EVERYONE.

**MaulMaus** · 11-02-2005, 10:05 AM

I think somebody wants to make Zam v.2.03!

Are you going to be checking out new backing material? I.e. thinner neoprene or some other backing? Are you going to go with a slightly different color on the spandex? Or was it a slightly different material? *I'm kinda hazy on the details we discussed at the FIDM exhibit*

Count me in - I would love to have a lighter fabric for the suit!

**yakcam** · 11-02-2005, 12:02 PM

Hi Zam,

We would definitely be interested, and understand that the cost to us would be more because of international shipping. Just haven't been able to find anything close to the colour here in Aus.

Thanks in anticipation of all the work you will be putting in to organise this again.

Cheers

Kraig & Wendy

**Zam_&_Jango** · 11-02-2005, 03:13 PM

Zam I Am,

Absolutely interested. Name your price. I'll double it. hehe.

Thanks!

-Jacq.

**Zam I Am** · 11-02-2005, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by MaulMaus

I think somebody wants to make Zam v.2.03!

Are you going to be checking out new backing material? I.e. thinner neoprene or some other backing? Are you going to go with a slightly different color on the spandex? Or was it a slightly different material? *I'm kinda hazy on the details we discussed at the FIDM exhibit*

Count me in - I would love to have a lighter fabric for the suit!

****, I really didn't consider any of that-or a new suit. ARG! The neoprene presented by that company was the only company in the US to offer that type of neoprene, at that type of thickness. I believe everything was manufactured with international ties to manufacturers in the "east." therefore, I can't get any thinner than what we have, unless if the company I worked before with has new product lines.

**MaulMaus** · 11-02-2005, 07:53 PM

They might have something thinner - y'a never know!

**goldenrod** · 11-04-2005, 02:04 AM

sorry for the double post.

**goldenrod** · 11-04-2005, 02:12 AM

Hi,
This isn't really my first post i've just forgotten my board name because i haven't here in awhile and wanted to start over with a name i use mostly now. But hi to everone and this place still rocks!

I would like on the list for the 2nd run Zam material. Please advise with any other details and pricing when ready. The first run looked great! I plan to do this costume for my wife.

thanx!
Goldenrod

**MonCal** · 11-05-2005, 01:25 PM

Yvonne, you may want to post on the 501st board and link them here to gain some more interest......... maybe you already did and I missed it

**Zam I Am** · 11-06-2005, 08:25 AM

I actually haven't-thanks for the idea. I have just been super busy, like I said it's like-I can only get to the forums once a week, twice at most.

**Iceheart** · 11-06-2005, 09:32 PM

Ooh, I'd be interested, depending on my finances when the final cost is decided.

Julie

**Resilient** · 11-06-2005, 09:34 PM

I missed out on the first run so I'm definetly interested in getting in on this possible second run. Count me in.

**Rence Shecal** · 11-22-2005, 09:09 PM

Greetings and Salutations!

I am new to this forum but am right at the beginning stages of making my own Zam suit for 501st membership and other things. I hope no one minds if I ask many many questions in the next coming months....I'm hoping to have it done by april. ^_^

Zam I Am, I would very much like to learn more about the bodysuit fabric so any info would be greatly appreciated. I noticed in your other thread yoou mentioned a sematress? Do you have someone who is able to sew the neoprene etc, cause I don't think my machine would handle it! <lol> I haven't had much chance to browse the forums yet...I noticed you all reffer to her outfit as a body suit, does that mean full length and not a seperate top and pants? Must make it difficult to get in and out of.

Anyway, thanks so much!

Cheers!

**Zam I Am** · 11-25-2005, 06:12 PM

I am not really offering her suit sewing services to people anymore. It was too much of a headache for me to play correspondant for free, and took too much of my time. I was bending over backwards to make everyone happy, even though it really had nothing to do with me. Her work was great for some, and not great for others. A custom suit without a "fitting" and over just email, especially with neoprene, is almost not worth it. Especially when it's noone's fault when something goes awry. Double laminated Neoprene is one finicky material. She has generic patterns for medium sized women, but forget about it being custom anymore.

**HothGirl** · 11-26-2005, 07:48 AM

Yeah, I got her bodysuit and vest patterns...the bodysuit especially was disappointing since I was under the impression it was supposed to be fit to my measurements.

My advice, don't waste your money on her patterns. I'm still tweaking mine on and off when I have time, and I haven't started to cut the neoprene yet because I can't get it to fit right and the seams to fall where they need to.

Eventually....eventually I'll get my suit made. LOL

**Zam I Am** · 11-26-2005, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by HothGirl

Yeah, I got her bodysuit and vest patterns...the bodysuit especially was disappointing since I was under the impression it was supposed to be fit to my measurements.

My advice, don't waste your money on her patterns. I'm still tweaking mine on and off when I have time, and I haven't started to cut the neoprene yet because I can't get it to fit right and the seams to fall where they need to.

Eventually....eventually I'll get my suit made. LOL

Oh- she did do yours with your measurements. That's what I saw- out of yours, lady zam and sandgirl and moncal's, they were all different. She calculated it with a computer patterning thing too. Yours should have fit just right for the neoprene. Did it not?

**fornakate** · 11-27-2005, 11:22 AM

We have been working on various Zam parts fo a little while, Don't really post much but read through everything! Like others, it depends on final cost, but really interested! The suit fabric is something I've been wondering how to do, so this would be good! I hope this all works out!

**RudydarthG** · 11-27-2005, 08:33 PM

I'm intrested it depends on final cost and when you get the info.

Rudy G.

**HothGirl** · 11-29-2005, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by Zam I Am

Oh- she did do yours with your measurements. That's what I saw- out of yours, lady zam and sandgirl and moncal's, they were all different. She calculated it with a computer patterning thing too. Yours should have fit just right for the neoprene. Did it not?

It wasn't even close.

The first mock-up I did of the top was terrible. The shoulder seams didn't fall where they needed to, the top piece didn't sit right on my body. I used a fabric with a similar stretch as the neoprene to make the first mock-up, so in reality it should've fit about the same on me as the neoprene would have.

I will not cut the neoprene until I get the pattern tweaked to where it fits me right.

**Zam I Am** · 12-01-2005, 10:36 PM

HothGirl- Sigh I am so sorry. I wished that it would have went better!

I am glad that you spoke up- I hope that cutest's pattern isn't bad. Mebbe you all can swap pattern/sewing ideas right to tweak stuff. Aparently, Maulmaus's friend noticed that the welt seam on my pants was flipped as opposed to the pictures - near the knees. So, unfortuneatly, the pattern is not perfect. I believe that the seamstress didn't know that tidbit either. Either that, or she flipped the welt seam to accommodate having to sew or 8? pieces of neoprene together without breaking another needle. My brain is going... I can't remember. And, it's late...

**Seven** · 12-04-2005, 10:17 PM

Oh sweet mother of Zam! I have been waiting for this since your fist run. I am 100% interested in this run. I will do whatever I can to get the finances for this. I wont miss it a secound time around.

**Cutest_Sandgirl** · 12-08-2005, 07:43 AM

I haven't even attempted to build the Zam suit yet, so when I do and if I screw up, I'll keep this list in mind.

**MaulMaus** · 12-09-2005, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by Cutest_Sandgirl

... so when I do and if I screw up, I'll keep this list in mind.

Nothing like a positive attitude there Kimmy!

Erm... not like I'm thinking the same thing or anything!

**Zam I Am** · 12-18-2005, 08:06 AM

I haven't been able to talk to my contacts yet, the holidays have taken all my time and money. Especially since this is my son's first Christmas. I won't be able to get in contact with them until after the holidays. I also wanted to let you all know that, last time, I had people really really wanting the fabric after the list was closed, because they didn't sign up the first time, so I want to get everyone who wants to get on board about it to have their chance before I talk to my contacts and cut off the list. Once I make an order, there is no revamping of the calculations because it takes 3 manufacturers to do this stuff and my time with the cutting and shipping.

Heheh, Cutest, you have an extra yard for making mistakes. I would start on the upper bodice first. That's the easier part in comparison to the pants and takes the least amount of material. Of course, always use a muslin or some test fabric first to make sure the patterning is correct. When I first wore my suit, the pants were too big up top, and because I had my baby and lost more than my pre-pregnancy weight, I am too thin for my outfit. Size 12 to a size 7. I feel like Jared from the subway commercials. But all my stuff doesn't fit anymore! No- not starting over, but, sigh...I am feeling the anquish of big vest and pants.

**Cutest_Sandgirl** · 12-21-2005, 12:10 PM

Thanks for the tip Yvonne!

And you know me Maul Maus....always the optimist.

**Iceheart** · 01-17-2006, 09:01 PM

*bump* Come on people, I really need this to happen.... More of you want Zam suits, I just know it.

Julie
twitching in great desire to have her new bodysuit done for her garrison's huuuuuge LFL museum event this summer

**Jango_Fettish** · 01-18-2006, 07:33 PM

pm sent

**Zam I Am** · 01-29-2006, 04:51 PM

I was hoping to get an actual zam swatch to more correctly match somethings before attempting to order from the manufacturers or cut off the list. Sorry that more legwork hasn't been done as far as talking to the manufacturers etc. I just want to get all my swatches in a row..so to speak. Oh, and thanks for the compliments on the colors, if it wasn't for DCB, none of this would have happened the first time

**Jango_Fettish** · 01-29-2006, 05:05 PM

Take your time Zam I Am! This sounds like something you have to put a lot of work into.

**asok** · 02-08-2006, 05:28 AM

Please put me down for enough to do 2. I think both of my girls might like to do one.

**Zamovar** · 02-13-2006, 10:59 AM

Please add me to the list, too. If I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do it right!

Jo Lynne, Zam Newbie
here by Iceheart's command

**Iceheart** · 02-14-2006, 07:58 AM

Well, we're up to 13...... SO CLOSE....

Julie
dragging people in left and right because SHE WANTS THAT NEOPRENE

**Seven** · 02-20-2006, 08:27 PM

I am looking forward to this. I hope things don't die on this run.

**Iceheart** · 02-20-2006, 08:52 PM

Ditto. I really, really need this to happen.

Julie

**Nacchi** · 03-23-2006, 01:19 AM

Hello everyone! ^^ This is my first time posting on thedentedhelmet forums

I was wondering if I could be added to the list for the Zam neoprene fabric if it's still happening? I'm working on a Zam costume for myself [ definitely my biggest challenge yet! ] so I'm hoping it's not too late to join this list ^^;

**Zam I Am** · 03-23-2006, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Zam I Am

Sorry, I haven't worked much on the batch of neoprene yet. I had someone very close to me that passed away, and had to fly out to CA to help arrange the funeral. I am still in mourning. So, the things I have had in mind - selling off some of my stuff and getting the neoprene situated, have been put on hold this month. Sorry I haven't worked on stuff as fervently as you are used to seeing me do or respond to. Judz Dwedd, I do intend on sending you your stuff back soon, but for others who I said I would send stuff to, will have to be put on hold. The 501st has just asked me to document the entire costume for their Zam qualifications standards board. Please bear with me as this is also a daunting task. I will do all that I can to help, but I need do deal with personal issues at hand first and foremost.

For newbs, I encourage you all to make sure to read all the old threads if you have any questions. DCB and I have done our best to consolidate the threads into relevant topics, and we do realize many pictures that I have inserted are missing due to the TDH conversion waay back, as well as clearing of personal webspace. Sorry for this. I don't have the time to put them back up. So, if you know that I had posted some pic of my own that you saved, feel free to post it back onto the board for someone.

Sorry, I will be too busy in March to calculate the numbers and also get the manufacturers to agree to a second run. I will have to do it in April.

**Zam I Am** · 04-27-2006, 12:33 PM

Hi all, I have worked on this project today, and called the neoprene company. After looking at the fabric at the FIDM, I honestly think it is a thicker fabric much like neoprene. However, after discussing it with the neoprene company, I don't see how LFL did it. I look at the swatches in the Trisha Biggar book, and the fabric from the trade federation gaurd looks like it could be the same as zam's only a different color. And, it looks like a double laminated layered fabric, not a tri-cot laminated fabric. Which, to me seems more sensible for sewing purposes. The fabric that I have is a tri-cot fabric that is thick, but .05mm too thick it seems, because of the wrinkles in the elbow. It's not much difference, and for those that have suits and the first batch of fabric, you will understand, there is enough to be a difference, but not enough to be dissappointed with what you have. I personally think that the fabric we have is quite close. But yet, there is a difference in thickness. So, the perfectionist in me is still dabbling with prospects of thinning it out via other methods before putting this order through. I asked the lamination company to laminate just a sample of some spandex to some nylon to check the flexibility and difference in thickness and wrinkles and send it to me. If not, then I will have to go to the store and buy two yards and send it to them for test purposes. Then if all else fails, at least I can start calling the other companies to start manufacturing the same product as the first major bolt purchase.

**Laïori** · 05-15-2006, 01:39 AM

Hi Zam I am,

Thanks for all the information. I'm very interested in your neoprene under suit, so please count me in. I don't want to miss it.

**leia214** · 05-31-2006, 09:47 AM

If this is still happening, I am interested in getting the neoprene!

**Zam I Am** · 06-01-2006, 10:35 AM

I am cutting off the interest list in three weeks. Then I will post the approximate amount per person in US dollars and the dimensions of the fabric bolt you all will recieve. It will probably be just 5 yards this time. If you can't afford around $225.00 per 5 yards & 34" batch (which is the estimated cost last time,) please post and I will take your name off the list. You have to understand, if you are interested, and you take your name off the list, it goes up in price for everyone else. I can't give you a final price until I know for sure who is definately in or out. Those who are overseas, please post that you are overseas and will have to pay extra for shipping unfortunately. Hopefully, my old excel spreadsheet works. I can accept western union. I can accept a US check, or moneyorder. Sorry I don't have a business paypal account. I am only able to accept debit paypal transactions only. Please remember, although I have costumed alot and posted a lot, this is my hobby, I don't do this for a living, so my customer service as far as timing will take longer than usual. And it takes time to manufacture this stuff. So turn around time will not be very quick. Again, this is for fabric ONLY. I am not offering any other services as far as sewing or patterning for the undersuit.

**leia214** · 06-01-2006, 01:18 PM

Thanks Zam I Am! I am still interested with the estimated price. If anyone else can point me towards a good pattern, I would appreciate that too!

**MaulMaus** · 06-01-2006, 05:06 PM

What changes will be different from the first batch of fabric that was made? Will the color be the same? Will the neoprene be thinner?

Leia214: There is no single pattern available for this costume. ZIA's and the other's that you've seen were all custom designed and made by a seamstress, a route you may wish to go depending upon your own sewing skills. Neoprene can be difficult to sew on a home sewing machine and this fabric is on the thick side. With that in mind: The pattern for the crop top is basically a modified long-sleeved t-shirt (Since the neoprene is non-stretchy you have to add some more fabric for ease or find a pattern for non-stretch fabric). The pants pattern is more difficult. I'm going for a modified jodhpurs pattern, again taking ease into consideration for the non-stretch fabric we're using.

**Iceheart** · 06-01-2006, 10:04 PM

I'm still in!! I can't WAIT to get this stuff. Hopefully this run will be thin enough that my sewing machine won't die, and if not I can probably always sneak into the costume shop at school and use one of the Industrial machines if necessary. As far as the pattern, I think I'm going to be brave and try drafting my own... We'll see how that turns out.

Julie

**Zam I Am** · 06-02-2006, 08:07 AM

Please, if you pm'ed me about neoprene, please post your interest here, there's too much to sift through in my pm box for me to remember who wants just neoprene. Only those listed in the first post will be considered for material. Anyone who pm'ed me please be advised, your name won't make this list unless you posted or will post a message of interest on this thread. I am actually trashing pm's in my inbox attempting to clean house. Maulmaus, This list is for the same fabric as what was in the other thread. I couldn't get it any thinner.

**Laïori** · 06-03-2006, 12:48 AM

I'm still in

I'm soooo looking forward to receving them

I'm interested in buying one up to now, but maybe two, depending on the price...

Cheer ZIA !! ^^

**Jango_Fettish** · 06-03-2006, 04:26 PM

I'm going to have to take my name off of the list. Jango is taking all my money

Sorry everyone for making it cost more.

I still think you're awesome Zam I Am for all the stuff you've done.

**kimncris** · 06-03-2006, 11:56 PM

I think Kim may be interested in this run.

Do you think having fabric in time for C4 is a realistic expectation?

-cris

**Zam I Am** · 06-04-2006, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by kimncris

I think Kim may be interested in this run.

Do you think having fabric in time for C4 is a realistic expectation?

-cris

I think it's realistic

**kimncris** · 06-05-2006, 08:05 AM

Hey Yvonne,

Thanks for tackling this project again!

I think it is time to upgrade my bodysuit - the color of my leather has faded a bit so if I'm going to be re-coloring the leather, this would be the opportune time to get in on the better fabric!

Is 5 yards enough to make a suit for a size 10 - 12? If so, please put me down as a definite participant.

Thanks!
Kim
email: kknight08 at gmail dot com

p.s. <s>how is the tater tot?</s> Nevermind - I just saw his blog. He's getting so big!

**Iceheart** · 06-05-2006, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by Zam I Am

Maulmaus, This list is for the same fabric as what was in the other thread. I couldn't get it any thinner.

Oh no...

Any ideas on how to eliminate the leg and arm wrinkling, anyone with more sewing knowledge than I?

Julie

**Zam I Am** · 06-05-2006, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by kimncris

Hey Yvonne,

Thanks for tackling this project again!

I think it is time to upgrade my bodysuit - the color of my leather has faded a bit so if I'm going to be re-coloring the leather, this would be the opportune time to get in on the better fabric!

Is 5 yards enough to make a suit for a size 10 - 12? If so, please put me down as a definite participant.

Thanks!
Kim
email: kknight08 at gmail dot com

p.s. <s>how is the tater tot?</s> Nevermind - I just saw his blog. He's getting so big!

Yep. 5 yards is enough, I haven't done any definate calculations, but you'll all definately have enough for a suit with between 5-6 yards worth of material. Size 12 was my size before I was preggers and that's approximately what the seamstress used. Ironically, Tatertot shrunk me down to a size 7. So, nothing of my old Zam outfit actually fits, it's all oversized on me now. Because I have a lot of calculations to make, it causes me to have to give you all estimates right now. The neoprene comes in sheets, not continuous bolts like lycra does. That's why I have such a difficult time with giving you all exact numbers right now. Once I have the interest list settled, I can see who needs what and divide by everyone, all the while making sure everyone has enough for one suit.
I was told Jersey point needle when sewing on a home machine. (A machine that can go through at least denim.) Make sure you have alcohol swabs ready, to take off the glue on your needles during sewing, and don't be intimidated by sheer fustration when sewing, the neoprene thickness has broken at least 5 needles per piece on my seamstress' non-industrial machine. I seriously think that those that have an industrial machine would be better off, that way you don't damage the motor of those lesser strength machines. My seamstress had to get her non-industrial machine fixed twice due to sewing the neoprene.

**MaulMaus** · 06-05-2006, 04:26 PM

According to the book "More Fabric Savvy" by Sandra Betzina (pgs. 184-185) under "Wetsuit" aka. Neoprene it lists:

Sewing Tips: Let fabric feed into machine naturally. A roller foot is the answer to sewing on foam-backed fabrics. (I have a built in walker-foot on my machine that also helps with fabric feeding issues.)

Layout: "without nap" layout, single thickness.

Cutting: Large rotary cutter or scissors.

Thread: Nylon.

Needle: 75/11 HS (Image shows "Stretch" needles which is very similar to "Jersey" needles.)

Stitch Length: Tiny zigzag (0.5 mm width, 2.5mm length)

Presser Foot: Roller foot.

Hope that helps..... And yes... always always always have lots of needles handy for every sewing project!

ZIA... Not fair. I was a size 7 before I had my daughter.. no comment on the size afterwards!

**Zam I Am** · 06-05-2006, 08:17 PM

MM - It would be nice to zig zag stitch, but if you want accuracy, you can see that none of it was zigzag stitched. Edit** Actually I take that back on the back side when you do the welt seam, i can see using a zig zag.

**Qui-Gon_Ludo** · 06-10-2006, 11:27 AM

......

**MaulMaus** · 06-10-2006, 04:46 PM

This is a place where 100% accuracy conflicts with what would probably work best in the real world... IMHO. That small of a zig-zag is barely noticable, but is enough to allow for some "give" in the fit of the costume. I'll need to make some tests on some ends of my fabric, see the differences between straight and slight zig-zag.

**Rence Shecal** · 06-18-2006, 04:29 PM

Hi Guys,

Sorry to have to do this but I'm going to have to pull out of the fabric run at this time. Too many things getting in the way of this project, I'm afraid. Hopefully, there will be another run in the future and I can jump on.

Thanks!

**asok** · 06-18-2006, 08:06 PM

With it being over $200, please just mark me down for one.

**Nacchi** · 06-21-2006, 03:39 AM

I'm sorry but I have to remove myself from the fabric run for now. Some things have come up and I won't be able to pay for the fabric.

I apologize for not having replied sooner but I've been very busy and haven't checked the forums sooner. Good luck on your costumes everyone!

**Zam I Am** · 06-22-2006, 10:09 AM

Ok dudes and dudettes, list closed. I will be making calculations next week on price, call the manufacturers with real numbers, and post the actual prices and yardage. Please pm me with the following: Your real name, your TDH name,physical address for shipping the fabric, your email address, preferred method of payment (paypal by debit); money order; US check; or Western Union; are the only methods accepted. I don't have paypal by creditcard, because I don't have a business account The amount listed on this thread will not include shipping to you, all of those charges will have to be calculated separately on a per person basis, as we have several people on the list that are from foriegn countries. The cost of shipping to and from the various companies, however, will be incorporated. I will also have to charge shipping insurance on all the fabric. I can't afford the loss like last time.

**Zam I Am** · 06-26-2006, 10:34 AM

Please send the info above-- people without a star by their name--I NEED your info!
Thanks~

**Seven** · 06-26-2006, 06:41 PM

info sent

**Laïori** · 06-27-2006, 12:39 AM

Info sent

**leia214** · 06-28-2006, 09:36 AM

PM sent!

**kimncris** · 07-15-2006, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by Zam I Am

Please send the info above-- people without a star by their name--I NEED your info!
Thanks~

haha - the star by my name scared me at first! I thought I was overdue on payment!

K

**Zam I Am** · 07-16-2006, 08:13 AM

KnC, sorry, I should have put -> sign

the others so that they can gimme their info. I need everyone's info, and how they will be paying because it helps me be organized, I need to know so that if I have to make trips to banks or what have you, I don't want to have to go to the places 5 times in order to process payments. Another thing is, once I have the final price, payment needs to be quickly sent so that I can have enough on my credit card to call in my order to various manufacturers. I need this all info before I call in the final order. Then, I have to lay out all the fabric on the floor and cut all 14? people's and ship it out in boxes to you all. I still hope that the first lycra company still has the same swatch of 4 way stretch lycra that I ordered 3? years ago... sigh. They usually don't keep swatch orders over 2 years.

**leia214** · 07-17-2006, 08:16 AM

If anyone is interested in my spot on the list, I will relinquish it to them. We have had a medical emergency come up that is taking priority on funds right now. I just had to spend $1300 out of pocket and there is more coming this week.

I will take the fabric because I committed to it but would prefer not to if someone else is interested.

Let me know and thanks!

**Droid Collector** · 07-18-2006, 12:29 AM

If anyone wants to sell me there spot for the Zam Material, please contact me.

Raul

**leia214** · 07-18-2006, 06:42 AM

Raul - Great timing because I need to back out of my order.

Zam I Am - is this okay with you that Raul takes my place in the list?

**Zam I Am** · 07-18-2006, 10:22 AM

Thats totally cool, I just need all his contact info. Like in the previous post.

**leia214** · 07-20-2006, 12:05 PM

Great! I let Raul (DroidCollector) know that the spot is his and he needs to send you his info.

**leia214** · 07-21-2006, 07:57 AM

Zam I Am - I forwarded you DroidCollectors address so that you have it.

Good luck with the fabric ya'll! I'll be checking in and drooling as I see everyone's work - hope to see a crew of Zam's at C4!

**Benkenove** · 07-21-2006, 03:38 PM

I know I may be late, but I'm also interested in the fabric.. if not too late... or if someone wants to quit, I would take his place in the list !!!

ZAM I AM ... PM sent... please, take a look !!!

**MonCal** · 07-24-2006, 11:50 AM

Yvonne, I've been working with Benkenove for a while on some stuff and should've sent him here sooner but I didn't keep up to speed on the neoprene run

... if there's an extra spot for him that would be great. I think he needs some of your greeblies too

**Zam I Am** · 07-24-2006, 08:36 PM

I am having comp problems, I think that the last power outage corrupted a lot of my files. My whole contacts list on my mac got totally wiped out and so has my sheduler. So, I am having problems right now. Please give me much needed time to reestablish and import info, reinstall stuff and get set back up properly. I can't respond to anything anyone wants until everything is totally back up and running smooth, and unfortuneately, comp needs for my home piano studio business needs to come first on my "to fix/do list." I need to put my own needs before other wants, I am sorry for not being able to respond at this time. Others on the list with

need to finish giving me their info via pm, that's good.

**JDFett** · 08-09-2006, 01:17 PM

Hey there...

I am very much interested in this offer if it reopens or if there is room due to a drop out....I contacted you via email earlier today

sithlord7768@msn.com

**Vader674** · 08-09-2006, 06:01 PM

"I am interested as a back up if someone drops out or if I can be added, thanks." I would be paying via paypal money is waiting if you have a spot!

Lee

**Zam I Am** · 08-17-2006, 07:59 AM

REOPENED the list, re-read first post.

**Benkenove** · 08-18-2006, 04:16 PM

GREAT, I'm in the list...

Thank you so much ZIA... !!! let me know when you get the final PRICE, and when you need the payment

P.S. dont forget about my other requests please

.

Ben.

**MonCal** · 08-18-2006, 04:30 PM

I think there are some folks on the legion boards who might be interested. Were you thinking of directing them here to the TDH?

I won't do it... cause it's your baby

**Zam I Am** · 08-18-2006, 08:20 PM

****, I don't know what I should do. There is a maximum that I can only handle, so I need to figure that out too, and soon. If they are interested, they can find their way here I guess. I only have so much space in my house to handle cutting the fabric etc. You have to understand, I am only one person handling what should be in a clean sewing warehouse type of job. It's not easy. Even though people make it onto this list, I might have to have another minimum or maximum, due to constraints on shipping and making the numbers even out on how the lycra shrinks and neoprene sheets line up etc. If you are all want to guesstimate how much shipping and insurance is, you can calculate about 12 lbs from zip code 20708 for a 6x6x72" box. www.usps.com

**JDFett** · 08-18-2006, 08:43 PM

thanks for adding me to the list, my wife is thrilled! when can we pay you? i figured out the postage and have the money to give you...just LMK as soon as your ready....I dont want to miss out on getting this

**yakcam** · 08-19-2006, 12:29 AM

Hi Yvonne,

I am glad that you have re-opened the list. I am sorry but I am going to have to pull out of this run.

I have been lucky enough to score some of your first batch, and really don't need anymore.

I would still like to get the greeblies though. I will send you a PM to organise payment and shipping address.

Good luck with all the hard work, and also to all the future Zam's coming on board.

Cheers

Kraig & Wendy

**Zam I Am** · 08-19-2006, 07:45 AM

I haven't figured out the actual cost yet, because everytime someone adds or subtracts from the list it fluctuates the entire order cost and the amount of fabric. That is why, once it closes in September, you are committing yourself to at least the estimated cost and shipping. I may give a one week in September to give notice for any final changes in people and price, then you all will have to pay up after that week is over. Once I have received all the money, then the manufacturing process begins.Lycra order, Dyeing the material, Tricot lamination, ship to me, cutting, ship to you all. Please do not put me in a situation where you "hope to have the money in by etc, etc." It's not fair to hold things up for the other people on the list that have waited so long already. Plus, it's all going on my account. I might have to do a lab dip coloring test that will also be incorporated into the cost if they don't have my custom color anymore - it's been 2 plus years. And, they got mad at me because I asked them to cut something during the dyeing process. So, if another company has to be used, then I will have some more timing problems. Let's hope the lycra doesn't shrink during the dyeing process. Then I would have major problems with the order. Sigh... I am nervous about the whole process all over again. Gawd, I want to cry.

**Benkenove** · 08-19-2006, 09:01 AM

Don´t worry Yvonne... let's do all step by step...

Now, the list... then the list is closed. then payments, and so...

I think is impossible to tell a FINAL price, if we dont even know HOW many fabric you will order, isnt it ???

So, guys, let's give a break to Yvonne.. and dont press her too much !!!

She is our only HOPE !!!

**MaulMaus** · 08-19-2006, 11:27 AM

ZIA... it will be all right...

One step at a time... deep cleansing breaths inbetween ...

And... if anyone messes this up for you, we'll just have to find a Bounty Hunter to take them out!

Do we know anyone like that? Someone like Zam, Jango or Boba??

**Zam I Am** · 08-21-2006, 11:48 AM

Just got a quote on width. It used to be a different width of fabric, so now, it's at 60" width for the nylon and the neopreneinstead of 54" for the nylon, so you will have more area of usage width-wize. Manufacturing neoprene costs have gone up since the gas hikes, so we'll see how much 3 years worth of inflation and fuel and shipping costs will do to my estimated price

I think it should be somewhat close. If everyone stays on the run, it will help costs stay lower.

**Benkenove** · 08-21-2006, 02:28 PM

I'm in !!! Give us more info when you get it please

Same on greeblies... (and if possible, in the other lower armor pieces as well :$).

Ben.

**Zam I Am** · 08-23-2006, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Zam I Am

Just got a quote on width. It used to be a different width of fabric, so now, it's at 60" width for the nylon and the neoprene instead of 54" for the nylon, so you will have more area of usage width-wize. Manufacturing neoprene costs have gone up since the gas hikes, so we'll see how much 3 years worth of inflation and fuel and shipping costs will do to my estimated price

I think it should be somewhat close. If everyone stays on the run, it will help costs stay lower.

I just talked to the lycra company and their width is also 60" so, you won't have any extra lycra on the edges to sew over on the pants top (by the cumberbun). It's not a "must," but it was just a nicer to have one piece lycra to fold over rather than having to fold over the tri-material on the waist. I asked the lycra company about a bigger width, and since my cut off is in september, he may get another shipment in with a thicker width by then.

**kimncris** · 09-11-2006, 06:07 PM

Thanks for doing all of this, ZIA!

And thanks for your email on that other matter

K

**Zam I Am** · 09-14-2006, 01:11 PM

Thanks for the post Kim!
I just edited my site to include all the old neoprene info. PLEASE READ IT If you have any questions please post here, as tomorrow is the closing day!
http://www.zamiam.com/ZamIAm/Neo%201.html

**Zam I Am** · 09-18-2006, 08:40 AM

List is closed, I have some work to do, I forgot to send the swatch to the dyeing company last week. So, I will be doing that today.

**Zam I Am** · 09-21-2006, 07:57 PM

I just sent some stuff to the neoprene co on tuesday, and the swatch to the dyeing co, and got some price quotes, but can't get a final estimated price until I get the neoprene company to talk to me about several adhesion factors. Should come up with the US price without shipping sometime next week after he talks to me about his adhesion test, don't forget, shipping and handling charges are different for different parts of the world. So, I'd have to figure out each person and get the actual total for each person individually.
edit ** Please read: my blog#2

edit** I just wanted to give ya'll an understanding of time frame. I will get the double fabric (lycra to nylon only) next week. This entire list could be revamped depending on the new adhesion of the double fabric, which could mean several more weeks of proofing (resending and discussing swatches and making sure that things are correct) and reediting the list. So, I may have to reopen the list to have everyone sign up for #1 just the original tri-cot (lycra, neoprene, nylon) material OR #2 just the double fabric~ if the lamination goes well. If the double fabric lamination doesn't go well, then we will stick to the original list and I will get to all of you, your prices including shipping, hopefully within a week and a half. I will also hopefully recieve from you all, the funds within a week after that. Then I will have the stuff manufacturered. There should be a 2 1/2 month turn around on getting the fabric to you. The reason I say OR, is because I am not sure that I can do both runs as a bulk run and meet both fabric requirements. Neoprene comes in sheets, therefore, I need a certain amount of people for that run. If everyone bails but just a couple of people, then I can't do the bulk neoprene run. AND, it might be cheaper if the double fabric lamination comes out well. However, the "dressing the Galaxy" book says it was a neoprene like material. So, that's the dilema here

Please post questions in this thread for everyone to see. And read the blog first!

**Zam I Am** · 09-27-2006, 12:42 PM

Oops, editing doesn't do justice with bumping the thread.. I will be posting pics up later if you don't understand my blog or why I am fooling with a thinner material.

**Zam I Am** · 10-02-2006, 07:06 AM

Good news, but more waiting. Just got off the phone with the neoprene company, he said he'd give me the info sometime soon on whether the double fabric lamination worked. The great news is, that when they dyeing company dyes the fabric, I can get them to stretch the fabric a little, so that we can have it "hang over" for the pants edge in either case (tricot or double fabric).

**Iceheart** · 10-03-2006, 03:54 PM

If the double works, put me down for that. Neoprene + Me = BAD idea. Failing that... I'm getting an industrial sewing machine this month. Have I just become everyone's new best friend, or what?

Thanks so much for doing all this, Yvonne. You're my hero. It'll all work out, we have faith.

Julie
saving pennies

**Zam I Am** · 10-03-2006, 04:37 PM

The way I see it:

Tricot Pros:
*Color matches picture swatch in Dressing a Galaxy Book
*Accuracy point: Dressing the Galaxy Book says "neoprene-like fabric"

Double fabric pros (if lamination goes well):
*Color matches picture swatch in Dressing a Galaxy Book
*Will probably wrinkle more like the FIDM material with probably "just enough" bulk, rather than over bulky
*Easier to sew-less needle breakage, because no neoprene. Those of you looking for tailors, won't have as much problems. And, you could probably use a regular sewing machine.
*No heat exhaustion to wearer- because no neoprene. I didn't drink enough liquids either, though, but why run the risk?
*May cost less

**MaulMaus** · 10-03-2006, 08:46 PM

Okay.. my question is... how different is the FIDM book color match from the original run of fabric?

Other than messing up my whole color scheme

- the lighter fabric sounds pretty darn good to me! (Arizona ain't no place to wear neoprene if you don't have to!

) If it's the exact same color I could kinda mix'n'match pieces I suppose.

**Zam I Am** · 10-04-2006, 12:25 PM

There is no difference in color from the dressing the galaxy book picture swatch from the original run. There should be no mess up in color scheme. The book and tricot material first run color is the same to me. Moncal even said so in some other thread. No noticeable hue or gray differences either.

I am not going to make the second run with the same colors as the ones as the FIDM/MOM costume, but rather, just the same color as what was done the first time (also same as what's in the Dressing the Galaxy book), cause getting more custom color lab dips would cost extra $ and time and my pictures with all the bad lighting would probably not do me justice at guessing the right colors a second time around. And frankly, I want to get this done before C4. They should be the same color as your tricot. I told them that it was a must. Mix n match double fabric vs tricot fabric -hmmm... possibly, but remember, doublefabric will have tons more ease than neoprene. You are dealing with a possible whole new set of patterning. Streching is different. I don't know the difference in negative ease.

Just called the dyeing company and they are sending me the test color via regular mail today. *Crosses fingers* hope it's the same match as what I sent and their eyes are that accurate

. Sigh. Sorry guys, but the lamination company thought that they had put in our double fabric test last week, but it didn't happen until monday and will continue to cure until Friday. Friday is the earliest I will know if the double fabric came out ok.

If double fabric works, then, the whole list will open again for switching things around, and if people would like to drop/add to the list. Once locked in, I will need three days to compute prices. And hope that everyone will send me payment within a week and a half after the close out date. I am shooting for 5 yards per person. Then 2 1/2 month turn around for fabric. The best made plans of zam and men... I will also post pics for all of you of the test run. The nylon backing will hopefully be black instead of royal blue on the real run. This goes into a small cost difference too. Which will help us out with the chaching$$

**Zam I Am** · 10-04-2006, 08:46 PM

I have tons of personal issues to deal with this week, as two close friends died, so if I don't get to call this Friday, I will try to call Monday. Just a heads up.

**MaulMaus** · 10-05-2006, 08:18 AM

Sorry to hear about your friends ZIA!

Don't worry about the fabric for now!

Glad that the color will be the same though... and since I don't have a pattern yet anyway...

Gads, I'm so unorganized.

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