Making the skirt

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    Re: Making the skirt

    If you're talking about the upper squares overlapping the lower ones, I wouldn't sweat it much. I had to double check the ref pics to be sure, myself, so I doubt anyone would notice. I think it looks awesome, and drapes really nice.

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    YUP!!! ding ding ding ....... THat's it!!!!!!

    I can't believe it. I guess I assumed it'd be like everything else in this world where say ... water could shed off of it???? I think the costume builder screwed up

    I'll save that for a future upgrade if it still eats me up and I want to spend about 10 hours unlacing and relacing.


    You're right though. Only the eyes in this forum would catch it.

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    Sigh, I feel your pain man... but, it's no biggie, not like me screwing up the with the wrong neatsfoot oil and having it too short... no one will notice. I had too do a ref pic look up too. It hangs really nicely! I am glad you gave it so much slack so that it wouldn't sit funny like mine.

  4. #129

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    How many feet of leather were needed for the skirt? Anyone remeber guys?

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    It seems i already asked this 2 years ago haha!!! Ignore me sorry!!!

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    Right im just attampting to make a test skirt out of craft foam lol. I hate to think what this is going to turn out like!!!

  7. #132

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    Thanx MonCal youre a star!!! I didnt get around to finishing my test skirt yet ive only cut the strips so far, we have been working on the rifle

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    Thanks so much for fixing your photo links MonCal! They really help.

    OK, I think I am getting another headache! Here are my questions after reading this thread just once (I know I need to read again).

    1) Reference was made to patterns for the skirt. Does anyone have them? I see the discussion of sizes for the rectangle/squares but no photos of patterns or precise patterns.

    2) Reference was also made to some lacing patterns, but photos for those are also gone. Can anyone help with that?

    3) Dye recipe. ZamIAm said the forumla was in an above post but I can't find it. So what dyes are you guys using, what mixes, concentrations - etc?

    I may have questions about cutting laces later. I'm not sure if I have that 100% clear. I need to take a breather.

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    If you could let us know what post number the missing pic is from it might be something one of us can either replace or post a new reply with the pic. I probably have about every pic ever posted here

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    Sorry, I just don't have time to re-read the entire thread again right now. I'm pretty certain there was reference to a skirt pattern at the very beginning - but I don't know if that was e-mailed around privately or what.

    In post #65 reference is made to "DCB's Diagrams". He has a few posts but it is hard to know exactly which posts have photos missing (I don't get red X's in my browser). I do know that some sort of skirt layout diagrams or lacing diagrams were mentioned and photos are missing in posts #45 & #62 by DCB.

    As for the Dye formula, I'd doubt that was a photo. But I read over page one twice and couldn't find it. Just this quote from ZamIAm in post #81 when she was asked about how she got her colors to look so great she sais she used the "forumulas I said above...". Maybe she edited the info out to keep it a trade secret

  11. #136

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    Kay Dee, I think I was posting and testing so much, I might've written the formula on another thread. But, I could be wrong. It was years ago, and honestly I may have lost the formula. I think that they may have had more dye on some squares and less on others anyway. Due to some residue spots on MOM photos, I am guessing that you can dunk dye some of the squares to get that blotched effect. There is one "back skirt" shot from MOM? or skirting danger files of the starwars.com photos that help you see it. I think it was sealed with resolene, but I don't think now that they used atom wax on it. After looking at some MOM shots ~ dsc04228, the weathering just takes on a whole new technique or actually ~ less technique ~ it looks more raw and dusty, not shiny/waxy.
    Last edited by Zam I Am; Jan 12, 2007 at 10:50 PM.

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    Well, do you remember what brand and colors of dyes you started with? I'd rather use something others have tested and are known to work if I can I don't mind playing with dipping, air brushing, daubbing from there forward. Or, I guess I can just pick up red and blue dyes from Tandy and start mixing.

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    All were tandy's dyes. I was told fiebings and tandy's are exactly the same. Good ol' search... works every time... http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/showt...ighlight=skirt

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    Although this is not my Forte, I love to see the progress on this message board. Great stuff yall!

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    Re: Making the skirt

    Zam I Am said: View Post
    All were tandy's dyes. I was told fiebings and tandy's are exactly the same. Good ol' search... works every time... http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/showt...ighlight=skirt
    Ack, sorry I blanked out on using the search function. Trust me, I was using it yesterday to look for blaster info!

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    Re: Making the skirt

    Yikes... you're making me go back through my piles of stuff! I wrote down my base coloring on the back of one of the scraps of leather - but it's kinda hard to read now. It was fairly close to ZIA's if I remember correctly.

    1 1/2 tsp Cordova
    1 1/2 tsp Red
    2 1/2 tsp Blue
    2 tsp Purple
    4 TBSP Solvent

    I know it seems like a lot of blue/purple - but there is a reddish/yellowish tint to the leather used on the skirt. I did end up altering it some more as I went along, but I dont' remember exactly what I did... I'm sure I added more solvent as I went along though - and probably a bit more Cordova ???? Be sure to check the tone of the dried piece against a scrap of the fabric - nothing can clash like purple tones if they are off! Once you find a color you like you can vary it by applying more or less to each piece of the leather, several layers or whatever.

    I'm gonna have to get some pics posted of the pieces I've finished to show you what I mean on that.

    Also I used an airbrush to apply the dye - but I think it could be done with daubers or dunked and still look good. Just be sure you mix enough dye to do the whole skirt... not that I would know about having only 1/2 a skirt done or anything...

    Edit:

    This is a picture of that piece of leather (complete with other dye splotches) next to a piece of the fabric and a sample of the vest color I was trying to use on the lambskin.



    This picture shows what a difference you can make by varying how much dye you put on the leather - it's all from the same dye batch, just with the darker ones I went over it heaver with the airbrush and perhaps a second or third time.

    Last edited by MaulMaus; Jan 14, 2007 at 10:20 PM. Reason: To add a couple of images.

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    Thanks so much MaulMaus! Hum, I'm not sure if I will want to mess with airbrushing. But if that is the only way to get them to really look good then my husband is going to have to stop babysitting his beloved airbrush!

    I will say one thing, not having enough dye mixed the first time for a Zam skirt isn't as bad as not having enough dye mixed for 20 yards of fabric that must all look like they came from the same dye lot! At least the skirt has a patchwork feel to it!

    I hear you on the testing, matching, letting things dry - etc. Although mixing leather dyes is slightly new for me, I've been mixing dye for fabrics and mixing paints to match them for a few years now - so I feel pretty good about this! I Can't wait for things to fall in place for this costume and work on it.

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    I airbrushed most of my squares but to get a variety I dunked some of the squares and I dobbed some of the squares as well with the cotton applicator.

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    MaulMaus said: View Post
    I made mine 2 1/4" tall. I think you said you'd make them 2 1/8" tall if you were to do it again. I measured how long I wanted the skirt to be on me... and divided it up (rounding it out of course!). I figure if it's a little on the long side, I can just tie it higher on my waist... if it's too short, I guess I'll add another short row on the top and hide it under the cumberbun.
    I think that 2 1/4" should be the correct height. I know mine is too short on me, and there is a problem of "not long enough" due to overlapping squares I don't think I considered the first time. Anyone care to comment? If you take from cumberbun down, you can see where it "ends" on her, which is right at/below the knee, anyone want to comment/ by how much? or how long with overlaps vs. without overlaps?
    Last edited by Zam I Am; Jan 26, 2007 at 5:21 PM.

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    I was having problems with the daubers causing streaks and so I ended up using an old t-shirt to apply an initial coat. Then I went over it with the dauber to get the variations in color.

    K

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    IMO, It's best to airbrush it first, to get an even coat, then dauber to get the variations. If t-shirt works- then awesome! Or, you can just dunk it and sit the pieces up in a way that lets the dye bead up on the bottom correctly. Kinda like how there are certain skirt squares with an extra amount of blotches on the bottom from MoM photos. FUN with tools~if ya have em.

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    I measured how long the skirt should be on me and we divided it up and i must have the shortest legs ever. It works out my squares are LESS than 2"

    Did you find there was much of a problem with overlap on the length after it was constructed? Should i make it longer than needed or go for the right length straight off the bat?

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    No, there is a big difference in overlapping. That's why my skirt is too short. I forgot to add the overlapping. I just divided it up like you did, and it ended up being too short. How tall are you? I am 5'5 1/2" Almost 5'6" like Leeanna.

  24. #149

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    Kathy is 5'1" and I made here first skirt with 2 1/4" squares. It hangs a little lower but it still looks good. I just finished cutting another batch of squares for her new skirt and I made them 2 1/4" tall again

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    MonCal said: View Post
    Kathy is 5'1" and I made here first skirt with 2 1/4" squares. It hangs a little lower but it still looks good. I just finished cutting another batch of squares for her new skirt and I made them 2 1/4" tall again
    What's your overall length, bound up without the belt?

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