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    C4 and Dragon Con Zammers

    Just wondering who's going and stuff. I haven't decided to go or not yet. I am still on the fence, cause I really don't want to risk shipping my suit out there, or having to costume and haul so much stuff with a toddler en tow.

    So far those who have pm'ed me asking if I was going 'cause I know they are are as follows:

    C4 Zammers
    KimnCris
    MaulMaus
    SL/Tk8456
    me*gonk
    MonCal & Kathy
    KayDee
    bfett333
    Seven
    ItsThatGuy & Aimee

    Dragon Con
    Zam I Am
    Bfett333/Fangs
    Iceheart
    Kaydee
    ItsThatGuy+Aimme
    Maulmaus
    JDFett
    Clawdite77
    dz1686
    Dustin Crops Boy
    Regressen
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    We're going to be going.
    We've bought 4 day passes for the family but we're not totally sure if we're going to be there the whole 4 days yet.
    edit..it would be 5 days if you count the fan day.

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    I wish i was going but im suffering from lack of cash so John is going on his own. Look after him!

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    WHAT? I thought you were going too!

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    We're gonna take a pass this year... WAY too expensive.

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    Re: C4 Zammers

    I'm going to C4! I really hope I can meet some of you there - even though I won't have my Zam costume done.

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    Yeah.. it is definitely an expensive trip. We'll be driving again like we did for C3 and it's about the same distance ... about 15 hours or so .. so we'll stay an extra day to rest up for the drive back.... plus I'm hauling a bunch of stuff for the droid room... death star panels and a trailer full of droids for myself and friends.

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    Re: C4 Zammers

    Since we live in the northern end of San Diego we're considering driving back and forth each day. It's no worse then us driving to Disneyland all the time. Try to save on hotel rooms-those things are expensive!! I think it'll keep the kids saner as well. They're 3 and 6. They've been going to Comic-Con every year, we always come home each night which I think it the only reason we survive LOL

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    Re: C4 Zammers

    Quote Originally Posted by Zam I Am View Post
    WHAT? I thought you were going too!
    Nah hehe, unfortunately i have a huge credit card bill to pay off so even if i had the money to go i really should pay that *sensible head on" LOL

    Would have been great to meet you guys but im sure John will tell me all about it and hopefully i will attend an American Con some time in the future tho it may be Dragon Con as i love the look of that hehe

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    Re: C4 Zammers

    Yes I'll be there but not in Becky's costume. We were both going to come but I'm coming over with 8 others in shared hotel rooms. Not very romantic so we decided to go somewhere on our own some other time.

    I'm not a girl and don't own a Zam costume but I seem to be dreaming Zam parts at the moment, so I'm sure I'll fit in ok. LOL

    Looking forward to saying hello

    And ZamIAm, you have to come! Doesn't she everyone?

    yes!

    See!
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    Re: C4 Zammers

    I don't know if any of you have been participating in the threads for the TDH booth and dinner, but all of you at C4 have to be there for both! Having Zam experts stopping by the booth, or volunteering to work the booth would be awesome! You've all got to come to the TDH dinner too. It would be great to meet you.

    Dinner thread:
    http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/f22/any-plans-tdh-dinner-c4-no-lets-make-some-18044/

    Booth Thread:
    http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/f22/tdh-fan-club-table-c4-approved-more-donations-needed-18162/



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    Re: C4 Zammers

    We'll be there, but I doubt I'll costume at all as I've agreed to work for Mary Franklin

    Kim

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    Quote Originally Posted by sl/tk8456 View Post
    And ZamIAm, you have to come! Doesn't she everyone?

    yes!

    See!
    Hear Hear!!!!

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    Re: C4 Zammers

    I'll be there....of course not in Zam just yet but I'd love to meet up with everyone!

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    My wife and I will be there, the costume wont be ready by then though, maybe another year.

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    Unfortunately, after calculating some things out and because we were so late in booking things,
    Estimated cost for us would be:
    AIR tickets $718
    Badges $250
    hotel $393
    Total = $1361
    Blah, that doesnt cover food etc. and the aggravation of hauling a toddler through LAX and zam stuff. Yah, Indy was way easier. Talked it over with hubby, I think we are going to have to sit out on this one. I am really sorry dudes and dudettes. KnC, I would've enjoyed that but, don't think I can make it this time around. I know, boo on me. You have to get some super duper extra pics of anything they got in the props/costume dept! Like if a certain kyd blaster shows up, would be nice!

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    Re: C4 Zammers

    Oh no ZamIAm! I was so looking forward to finally meeting you *sob*

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    Sorry! We got cheap and decided to go to Dragon con instead.

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    I shall see you at DragonCon then, ZIA! Looking forward to meeting you there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zam I Am View Post
    Sorry! We got cheap and decided to go to Dragon con instead.
    Ah! Then I really hope I run into you at D*Con. I'm going there too this year

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    Re: C4 Zammers

    Yay! If we're still in this half of the country we'll be at DragonCon too.

    Julie

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    Okay... guess this means I have to go to D*C then too! Someone needs to make sure I don't put my Zam stuff on backwards!

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    If any of you haven't purchased a ticket yet for Dragon Con, lemme know, I am trying to get a group rate @ $55 a ticket instead of $60. The first 10 people I will collect their checks and send it in. I have only several slots left: Check Here.
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    Re: C4 Zammers

    Ok, I know I'm new to these boards, and my wife will not have her Zam even remotely close to being ready by CIV, but her and I will both be there! I will be in my TK and her in her Jawa!

    I look forward to meeting you all!

    Oh BTW we will also be attending Dragon*Con! This will be our first Celebration and Dragon*Con!

    Hopefully by Dragon*Con we will have most of Aimee's Zam costume completed... ...hopefully...
    Last edited by ItsThatGuy; 04-13-2007 at 04:47 PM.

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    Re: C4 Zammers

    I'm very much looking forward to meeting you and Aimee, Tony! Since Aimee and I are doing the Jawa skits at CIV I'll likely be seeing lots of you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BFett333 View Post
    I'm very much looking forward to meeting you and Aimee, Tony! Since Aimee and I are doing the Jawa skits at CIV I'll likely be seeing lots of you!
    Haha, small world! I really can't wait for Celebration and meeting all of you face to face!

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    Re: C4 Zammers

    Updated.

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    Re: C4 Zammers

    Get my ID right. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by sl/tk8456 View Post
    Get my ID right. LOL


    Also, Add my wife (Aimee) to the C4 Zammers too!

    Thanks!

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    Re: C4 Zammers

    wont be making the c4 trip

    between the Dcon trip labor day weekend, and then shortly after flying to chicago to see my daughter graduate from navy boot camp, and then again to florida to see her graduate from advanced school...just cant get the funding to goto C4 as well...have fun all and ill see some of you at Dcon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sl/tk8456 View Post
    Get my ID right. LOL
    I am so sorry :embarrassed You know we your show babe! Hopefully we will have a gaggle of zam clones everywhere at d'con Sorry we won't be able to see ya at CIV sl/tk8456

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    darn! double post!

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    Love it! Zam Clones!! If Jango has Clones -- Why can't Zam!

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    Zam clones.....................................

    Every mans fantasy, surely LOL

    When is DragonCon by the way?

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    Labor Day Weekend! Um... do you have that in the UK? Anyway - Here's the link - which surely does not do it justice: http://www.dragoncon.org/

    Every Year - Same Place - Same Time!

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    Re: C4 Zammers

    Always wanted to go to Dragon Con tho i think i dont have a skimpy enough costume, most of the lovely ladies there seem to wear little at all haha!

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    Yeah - there is a lot of skin showing... Barricade Tape comes to mind It's a combination of me being chicken and being too old I guess - I just can't do that. Maybe that's why I've got a Zam costume? I still have fun - even if I'm not in costume, DC is still a blast!

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    C4 pics Hubby saw on Flicker http://www.flickr.com/photos/starwarsblog/514439013/

    I think I see Kathy and KayDee Wohoo! Yippieee! Represent dudettes!

    Sorry you couldn't go Sl/TK8456
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    Haven't seen any Zams yet
    I swung by TDH both but the 2 that were there weren't anyone who knew me. I haven't really made myself overly known around these parts.
    The first couple days have been fun, I'm hoping more coxtumes will be about today and I can find some of you. We'll see

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    We attended Friday and Saturday. I stopped by the Dented Helmet booth VERY briefly on Saturday, and we went to the Bounty Hunter, Imperial and X Wing costuming panels, so I know we saw some of you there! My man wants to do a Jango now, so he'll be on the forums a lot in the near future...

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    I finally met with MonCal and Kathy! But I didn't get to see any Zam costumes! Not one!!! Tons of Fetts (Boba and Jango) but not one Zam...

    Worked the TDH booth Thursday - quite a number of people asked about the Zam helmet and blaster I brought! That was cool!

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    I only saw one Zam costume and it was a member of this forum but her name escapes me (I'm really really bad with names). I introduced myself to her and took a look at the costume up close. It was very impressive!

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    Was it anyone listed up top?

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    Oh wait I just realized a picture was posted of her above:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/starwarsblog/514439013/

    That's her.

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    That's Moncal's wife Kathy

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    That explains it, she said her husband was on TDH but she wasn't. She looked great. It's the first Zam I had seen in person and I was very impressed.

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    Foxbattkllr, you going to Dragon Con? I think you might see 5 of us ... Mebbe? Me, Iceheart, Maulmaus (PRESSURE), (MORE PRESSURE Clawdite77) and (Zamgram you goin?). I don't know of anyone else who has a semi-completed/completed costume that can make it. Foxbatkillr, you have been so helpful to us Zammers, with all of your photos. Those preliminary FIDM shots and stuff did a world of awesomeness for all of us. Hopefully you can go.

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    Sadly, my wife and I won't make it to DCon. We would like to go some day though. BTW, I just found a photo of myself on some random person's website talking to Kathy while I was in my clone: http://entertainment.webshots.com/ph...26036833jGJzcm

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    kathy is looking fabulous in those pics!!! I like the darker shot in the shadows...very awesome!!

    ZIA, beleive me, we are doing everything in our power to get clawdite77's zam up and running for dcon! almost there...

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    No...no pressure...none what-so-ever!
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    I don't want to steal their thunder but Kathy finally won in her category in the Celebration costume contest - HOORAY! Congrats to both Cal & Kathy!!! Sorry we never caught up with you two to hang out.

    I don't think I ever ended up meeting John

    I did connect with Drew and his wife - nice folks from the 70th Explorers 501st!

    <whisper>I stopped by the TDH booth on Friday and first offered to fill shifts and then expressed my disappointment that there was no sign of Zam or any of the other BHs at the table. Oh well, the mandos get all the love...</whisper>

    Next up - Celebration Europe - woohoo! And Comic-Con - woohoo! But no Dragon*Con, again - boo!

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    wOOOH... that is the best Zam costume I have seen so far !!! I really love all the shades and colors... !!! Really really impressed !!!

    Congratulations Kathy and Moncal for that amazing and awesome work on that costume !!! I wish I could get mine as great as yours someday

    Ben

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zam I Am View Post
    C4 pics Hubby saw on Flicker http://www.flickr.com/photos/starwarsblog/514439013/

    I think I see Kathy and KayDee Wohoo! Yippieee! Represent dudettes!

    Sorry you couldn't go Sl/TK8456
    Yeah that's me! Kathy and Kathy... both dressed in purple Congrats to Cal and Kathy on winning with their perfect Zam! I am now officially scared to make this costume, because I know it will never be as good at yours

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    Dang it... I didn't see the costume at all. I was in that hall just before the costume contest for the "Living with the Empire" or some such talk with the Imperial Officers of Star Wars - which was great.. and the costume contestants were lined up - I didn't see Zam! Admittedly I had a whiny 9-year old and a complaining hubby at the time so I might have been a bit distracted... *sighs*

    I was at the TDH Booth on Thursday with my box-o-Zam-Love! I think I was the only Zammer the whole weekend though. I did score the first TDH Shirt of the con! Nothing like walking advertisement!

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    It's over and I didn't see a single Zam except for the pictures here.
    One thing I didn't like about this con that Comic-con does...names on badges.
    Every single one of you could have been standing right next to me and I would not have actually known.
    Now that C4 is over it's time for me to start ordering my bits and pieces to get this show on the road. No way I'll have it for comic-con unless I ditch my family and become a hermit until it's done though...yeah right

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    Quote Originally Posted by kimncris View Post
    I don't want to steal their thunder but Kathy finally won in her category in the Celebration costume contest - HOORAY! Congrats to both Cal & Kathy!!! Sorry we never caught up with you two to hang out.

    I don't think I ever ended up meeting John

    Next up - Celebration Europe - woohoo! And Comic-Con - woohoo! But no Dragon*Con, again - boo!
    Congrats to Kathy and Moncal. 2nd time now, right?
    No I didn't make it to C4 pet. Some nasty Homeland security chap sent me back over the atlantic when I touched down at minneapolis for some firearm investigation that I couldn't remember.
    Basically, I bought a E-11 tube off this US chap for my real deactivated stormtrooper machine gun. It turns out the guy was then arrested by the FBI for re-arming firearms. The US police tip off UK police about my name being on his PC. British police question me and then laugh it off. Unfortunately US systems still have me down as suspect.
    Becasue I never ticked the 'yes I've been arrested box' I got sent back for attemping fraudulant entry into the US
    Bummer! Thing is I wasn't arrested, just questioned. this chap had a right chip on his shoulder. Just my luck to get seeked out by him.

    Hope to get this sorted for maybe DragonCon but I'm not 100% on that yet.
    I'm sure I'll see some of you in CE though. Crossing the Severn bridge into England isn't as hard as the Atlantic. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaulMaus View Post
    I was at the TDH Booth on Thursday with my box-o-Zam-Love! I think I was the only Zammer the whole weekend though.
    Aw, I missed you as I had to work on Thursday.

    I stopped by on Friday but all of the shifts had already been filled. I couldn't volunteer earlier because I hadn't received my convention schedule.

    Quote Originally Posted by sl/tk8456 View Post
    Becasue I never ticked the 'yes I've been arrested box' I got sent back for attemping fraudulant entry into the US
    Bummer!
    ...
    I'm sure I'll see some of you in CE though. Crossing the Severn bridge into England isn't as hard as the Atlantic. LOL
    That is embarrassing. Well, thank goodness we kept the likes of *you* out!

    We should arrange a happy hour or some other such meet up for CE.

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    Re: C4 and Dragon Con Zammers

    Are there some pics of Zam's at C4? I did not see any while there and would love to see some pictures.

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    Yeah... we certainly don't want anyone like YOU John in this country!

    Unbelievable... actually it is all too believable! *shakes head* Hope you can get it straightened out by DC! *crosses fingers*

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaulMaus View Post
    Yeah... we certainly don't want anyone like YOU John in this country!

    Unbelievable... actually it is all too believable! *shakes head* Hope you can get it straightened out by DC! *crosses fingers*
    Yeah me too. cos if the US shares info with anyone else I could have this happen again in another country!!!
    I need to get the police force that questioned me to talk to your embassy over here. then I have to schedule an interview with the US Embassy myself to get my files 'cleaned up' All this info came from a £1.40/minute phone line. Recorded messages most of it!!!

    I can understand the increased sensitivity since 9/11 but I'm hardly a threat. I only weigh 10 stone
    When I told the homeland security chap I'm going to CIV, the star wars convention maybe he heard....
    I'm going to C4 the star wars convention.

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    man that really stinks john...hope you guys get this ironed out by Dcon too...looking forward to meeting you and becky!

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    I saw Kathy - I was behind her in the squishy picture (501st group pic) in my Snowtrooper. I asked if she was a TDH'er and she said no, but her husband Cal was. Unfortunately, Cal was further down the line and I didn't get a chance to meet him. I asked around a little the next couple of days but no one either knew who Cal was or if they did, where he was. I really would have LOVED to have met you, Cal!! I got to spend some time with Tony and Aimee which was cool! I'm not sure if I met up with any other Zammers and just didn't put two and two together. Hopefully at DC more of us can hook up!

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    Thanks all for the compliments!!!! It was one of our hi-lights of the trip for sure. She wore her zam the whole day on Friday and also for the 501st photo. We did swing by the TDH table a couple times. She was in costume when Turo was at the booth.

    I was glad to meet those of you who I could and bummed I didn't run into others. It was so busy and the whole thing went by in a blurr for me.

    This is actually the first time I've been able to check the boards since I've been home. I've had a ton of things to deal with.... so I'll get to pms and such as soon as I can and apologize for my slowness.

    I thought it was really awesome that both Kay-dee and my wife were up there on stage together. Kathy I'll send you all my photos that I took with your stuff.

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    Re: C4 and Dragon Con Zammers

    Going to D.Con and in armor if I can ever finish the vest and get my helmet.

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    hey guys, should we all zam up at the same time at d'c, it would be cool to mob the TDH table some time on Saturday to take pics together. I know I will be zammed up on Sat morning, but not so sure about Sat evening -- cause it gets unbearable in hotlanta. I wanted to be there when maulmaus was there at the table, but she's only there at like 3-5pm on Sat. I was hoping to meet everyone in the morning, not late afternoon. I don't want to stay in my outfit all day being preggers and all. Anyone want to meet up at a specific time on Sat?
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    Re: C4 and Dragon Con Zammers

    I'm not wearing the costume while I'm at the table... I can tell you that right now!

    I was going to ask everyone when they wanted to get together for a group picture? Saturday is fine with me... except when I have to be at the TDH Table.

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    Let's meet at the table in the morning like after the parade is good and over. How's that sound?

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    Re: C4 and Dragon Con Zammers

    Stupid Question: When is the parade?

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    Um... I don't know I think it's at 9:00? So, we could meet at like 11? maybe? Whatcha think?

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    Sounds good to me...

    We can check on when the parade is... lasts like 1/2 hour... 45 minutes right? Give some time for the normal disorganization and potty-breaks... 11-ish would be just about right.

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    Re: C4 and Dragon Con Zammers

    I'm on the parade organization team for the 501st. Usually there is some time just after the main 501st picture for smaller group pictures before the parade gets under way. We are the last group in the parade. I know that not everyone here is necessarily 501st but it's a good location for pictures so I thought I'd throw it out there. Even if some are RL members and marching with them, they are generally staged right in front of us so it would be easy to meet up for pictures.

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    Ohhh....and in case anyone is wondering what happened...I had my board name here changed to match my board name everywhere else. It was BFett333

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    Yeah, I'd figured the 501st pictures is for the 501st, TDH for the TDH... there are a lot of non-finished zammers as well as some that might get finished, and a lot of zammers that want to meet each other and take pics regardless of whether their costumes are finished. That's why I mentioned after the parade and stuff. Those that want their 501st pics taken can have them taken whenever they set up their times, but this "meet up" was just for us TDH zammer groupies.

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    Oh I know that ZIA - however after the 501st picture last year there was a whole bunch of folks who had other pics done. Some were garrison pics - some were detachment pics. Some were pics of non-501st costumes like the custom Fetts. I just made the suggestion because there will likely be several of us in one place anyway waiting to start the parade.....and there was a lot of time to wait along with it being a nice-ish place for a group photo whether you're in your Zam, some other costume, or just street clothes. Just throwing out a suggestion, that's all.

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    not sure what Jamie is going to want to do or how often she is going to get into her zam gear...but a group photo would be cool...either way im sure a Darth Maul and a zam may show up at TDH booth to say howdy to maulmaus

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    I wanna go to DCon so bad! I live, like, 30 minutes away!

    But, unless some miracle happens and a helmet and gauntlets magically fall into my lap, along with a wedding planner, I dunno if I can do it!

    Besides, I would be the shortest Zam there! (At 5'0") Not too screen acurate, but, meh... :-)

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    Re: C4 and Dragon Con Zammers

    I'm gonna start a new thread.... this one is too long and confusing for the blonde here...

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