Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Subscribe
  1. I helped at SDCC '08 Jango 5204's Avatar
    Member Since
    Nov 2005
    Posts
    1,376
    Feb 17, 2007, 6:08 PM - Uneven Rub-n-buff on BKBT new armor?? #1

    Alright, I thought I did it right. I wet sanded the armor. Used Dupont automotive primer, waited overnight, wet sanded again. Looked & felt really smooth. Hit it with R&B and some parts got shiny and others wouldn't turn out. I almost burned my hand I put so much friction on it. I tried it again and it looks like it gets dull around the edges as it's rubbed on. Any ideas on an even application process??









    AFTER: Using Jimmybuffet's t-shirt suggestion. About 20 min of serious rubbing on each piece. Kept changing the rub spot on the t-shirt to keep it clean. THANKS JIMMYBUFFET!!!!!!


    Last edited by Jango 5204; Feb 18, 2007 at 2:27 PM. Reason: pic added
  2. JangoUri's Avatar
    Member Since
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    857
    Feb 17, 2007, 6:20 PM - Re: Uneven Rub-n-buff on BKBT new armor?? #2

    Mmmmm strange, looks like an aplication problem. When I receive mine, I'll sand and Rub and buff it and then I Show it. If you like how mine turn out, then I could try to R&B yours if you want.
    By the way, all your armor must be rubed untill you can buff it. So first buff, and once its all finished, rub!
    Last edited by JangoUri; Feb 17, 2007 at 6:33 PM.
  3. I helped at SDCC '08 Jango 5204's Avatar
    Member Since
    Nov 2005
    Posts
    1,376
    Feb 17, 2007, 6:25 PM - Re: Uneven Rub-n-buff on BKBT new armor?? #3

    Definitely not a problem with the armor. I'm doing something in the application process. Too much, too little, not even , haven't figured it out yet.
  4. JangoUri's Avatar
    Member Since
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    857
    Feb 17, 2007, 6:35 PM - Re: Uneven Rub-n-buff on BKBT new armor?? #4

    Tell us whats ur aplication process.

    What I do is: Apply the R&B softly, very softly, working by zones. Don't stop appling it over all the armor softly. Once the R&B is applied on the WHOLE armor, wait about 10 minutes, and then, RUB it hard with your hand.
  5. I helped at SDCC '08 Jango 5204's Avatar
    Member Since
    Nov 2005
    Posts
    1,376
    Feb 17, 2007, 6:40 PM - Re: Uneven Rub-n-buff on BKBT new armor?? #5

    squeeze some on a plate. get a little on my finger and rub in on in a circular motion till i need more. I do small areas about 4"-6" at a time. After it's done, I rub the whole piece. Should I be waiting before I buff it?
  6. I helped at SDCC '08 GCNgamer128's Avatar
    Member Since
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    5,520
    Feb 17, 2007, 7:14 PM - Re: Uneven Rub-n-buff on BKBT new armor?? #6

    Barely get any of the RnB on your fingertip, then rub it on in a circular motion, then repeat to cover the entire suit of armour. Next time I recommend painting one item, then buff it, to make sure you did it correctly.
  7. Bluewolf's Avatar
    Member Since
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    111
    Feb 17, 2007, 8:24 PM - Re: Uneven Rub-n-buff on BKBT new armor?? #7

    This was the exact same result I was getting with my armor. It has NOTHING to do with BKBT. It lead me to hate R&B, but I will try it again with some of these tips. I've pretty much switched to paint already, but I haven't done my shins yet so I will test it again.
  8. Member Since
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    42
    Feb 18, 2007, 1:51 AM - Re: Uneven Rub-n-buff on BKBT new armor?? #8

    I primed my BKBT helm and then RnB it and the primer showed right thru. Looked like shiny silvery white paint. I stripped it and did it on the helm no primer and its turning out great.
  9. I helped at SDCC '08 GCNgamer128's Avatar
    Member Since
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    5,520
    Feb 18, 2007, 3:25 AM - Re: Uneven Rub-n-buff on BKBT new armor?? #9

    You're not using enough RnB, and what are you using to buff it with? You should wait a few hours to a day before you start to buff, or else I've noticed it wipes away paint.
  10. I helped at SDCC '08 Jimmy BufFETT's Avatar
    Member Since
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    2,861
    Feb 18, 2007, 8:51 AM - Re: Uneven Rub-n-buff on BKBT new armor?? #10

    I had the exact same problem, and I used the same approach you did ... almost. I sanded, shot a layer of automotive primer, let it dry, sanded with 800 grit, shot another layer of primer, let it dry overnight, sanded again with 800 grit, and then RnBed.

    So It's the same process, except I used a buffing cloth instead of my hand. I tried my hand, but there are 2 problems that made me abort that method. #1) My hand began sweating too much and I noticed streaks on the armor (perhaps this happened to you.) #2) Sometimes my hand would get "caught" in the process (i.e. squealing tires vs. non-squealing tires ... or static friction vs. kinetic friction.)

    I used the buffing cloth ... just a very smooth cloth (or an undershirt), and was buffing to the point that I got a blister on my hand. I had to build up A LOT of heat to get it even and shiny.
  11. tubachris85x's Avatar
    Member Since
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    2,943
    Feb 18, 2007, 8:51 AM - Re: Uneven Rub-n-buff on BKBT new armor?? #11

    You know, I have trid thats before for my helm, and found it very difficult to get it to shine. I sanded doen that whole helmet so many times, it was as smooth as ice, but I had re-done the R&B job countless times. I stil cant get it to shine as some of you guys get it to.

    -tubachris
  12. bigkidbiggertoys's Avatar
    Member Since
    Mar 2002
    Posts
    1,255
    Feb 18, 2007, 10:06 AM - Re: Uneven Rub-n-buff on BKBT new armor?? #12

    I also had problems with rub n buff when I first started using it. I wetsand with 400 grit sandpaper & a drop of dishsoap to help cut the surface until it is perfectly smooth. In some areas there is no primer left or you can see through it. I put a dab of r n b on the piece & spread it around the surface before it starts to dry, then I start with the buffing action to remove excess & bring out the shine. If needed, you can wetsand the rub n buff again without stripping & add another coat. You could also try sealing your piece with Future floor wax & then rub n buff over that. Future will dry quickly, is self levelling & will fill small scratches. You can paint over it or rub n buff. Just don't wetsand it, water will remove the floor wax.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version. 

Name:	TDH.jpg 
Views:	656 
Size:	54.3 KB 
ID:	15733  
  13. I helped at SDCC '08 Jango 5204's Avatar
    Member Since
    Nov 2005
    Posts
    1,376
    Feb 18, 2007, 10:26 AM - Re: Uneven Rub-n-buff on BKBT new armor?? #13

    I might wet sand again. I never through the primer I put on. I wet sanded with 600. Maybe I'll try some 1500 wet/dry.
  14. tubachris85x's Avatar
    Member Since
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    2,943
    Feb 18, 2007, 10:46 AM - Re: Uneven Rub-n-buff on BKBT new armor?? #14

    I will say I prefer wet sandin over the dry only because you tend to get a smoother surface then if you dry sand it. IMO, I think that it would get better results from the r&b

    -tubachris
  15. I helped at SDCC '08 Jango 5204's Avatar
    Member Since
    Nov 2005
    Posts
    1,376
    Feb 18, 2007, 10:55 AM - Re: Uneven Rub-n-buff on BKBT new armor?? #15

    just wet sanded the ab plate with 1000 and a soft block. primer still in good condition, and I'll try it again with the R&B.
  16. Foxbatkllr's Avatar
    Member Since
    Apr 2003
    Posts
    2,566
    Feb 18, 2007, 10:59 AM - Re: Uneven Rub-n-buff on BKBT new armor?? #16

    Hmm, I've never had that problem. I haven't tried my BKBT armor before, but in the past I always do like 5-7 layers of primer and wet sand each one. I think I usually use Painter's Touch (made by Rustoleum) Gray Primer.
  17. Member Since
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    1,094
    Feb 18, 2007, 1:23 PM - Re: Uneven Rub-n-buff on BKBT new armor?? #17

    Quote bigkidbiggertoys said: View Post
    I also had problems with rub n buff when I first started using it. I wetsand with 400 grit sandpaper & a drop of dishsoap to help cut the surface until it is perfectly smooth. In some areas there is no primer left or you can see through it. I put a dab of r n b on the piece & spread it around the surface before it starts to dry, then I start with the buffing action to remove excess & bring out the shine. If needed, you can wetsand the rub n buff again without stripping & add another coat. You could also try sealing your piece with Future floor wax & then rub n buff over that. Future will dry quickly, is self levelling & will fill small scratches. You can paint over it or rub n buff. Just don't wetsand it, water will remove the floor wax.
    I'd like to say that Futer is a polish not a wax, it's an acrylic so paint WILL stick to it. It's also widely used by modellers for plane canopies and clear parts.
  18. I helped at SDCC '08 Jango 5204's Avatar
    Member Since
    Nov 2005
    Posts
    1,376
    Feb 18, 2007, 2:30 PM - Re: Uneven Rub-n-buff on BKBT new armor?? #18

    Thanks to everyone. Used Jimmybuffet's t-shirt rubbing method. Worked well, I just rubbed harder and much longer on the R&B that was already applied. Should've skipped the gym today, that is quite the workout

    I kept moving the t-shirt to a clean spot. If the silver built up on it, it tended to leave streaks from the silver already on the shirt. Turned out much much better.
  19. Bluewolf's Avatar
    Member Since
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    111
    Feb 18, 2007, 7:05 PM - Re: Uneven Rub-n-buff on BKBT new armor?? #19

    I knew a Vader that must have used that future polish technique. I didn't understand at the time, but we were trooping and it started to rain. His helmet started to get white spots from the water drops, so I don't know if I like the idea of the future polish. Interesting cconcept about the dish soap, will try that.
  20. tubachris85x's Avatar
    Member Since
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    2,943
    Feb 19, 2007, 12:13 AM - Re: Uneven Rub-n-buff on BKBT new armor?? #20

    Quote Jango newbie said: View Post
    Thanks to everyone. Used Jimmybuffet's t-shirt rubbing method. Worked well, I just rubbed harder and much longer on the R&B that was already applied. Should've skipped the gym today, that is quite the workout

    I kept moving the t-shirt to a clean spot. If the silver built up on it, it tended to leave streaks from the silver already on the shirt. Turned out much much better.
    Hmm, I find that I an old t-shirt works well for shining shoes as well. Ithink we found the best shining cloth available lol

    -tubachris
  21. bigkidbiggertoys's Avatar
    Member Since
    Mar 2002
    Posts
    1,255
    Feb 19, 2007, 9:34 AM - Re: Uneven Rub-n-buff on BKBT new armor?? #21

    Quote Bluewolf said: View Post
    I knew a Vader that must have used that future polish technique. I didn't understand at the time, but we were trooping and it started to rain. His helmet started to get white spots from the water drops, so I don't know if I like the idea of the future polish. Interesting cconcept about the dish soap, will try that.
    I wouldn't use the Future over the r n b, it will dull the finish & end up looking more like grey. If you r n b over the Future, you will be OK. R n b is waxed based so water should just bead up & roll off.
  22. Darth Hobbes's Avatar
    Member Since
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    49
    Feb 23, 2007, 2:59 AM - Re: Uneven Rub-n-buff on BKBT new armor?? #22

    How about spraying an acrylic polymer gloss varnish (like that used on wargaming miniatures) over the Rub n Buff instead of future?
  23. AdmFrancis's Avatar
    Member Since
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    356
    May 16, 2007, 8:11 AM - Re: Uneven Rub-n-buff on BKBT new armor?? #23

    ..here ist goes again....

    after studying all tips i start RnBing my BKBT armor tobay.
    but....
    i never had so much problems like this time. maybe not my day

    i sand down the primer with 1000 sandpaper.
    i clean up the surface with a wet blanket
    after its dry and smooth i start RnBing... (with my hand and/or with an undershirt)

    but u can see, there r some parts where looks like i had rub down the silver leaf or there are some coarse.... (maybe i used to much RnB )

    after first RnBing failed i sand it all down and start again.(4-5 times)
    this picture is my best result today... but look yourselves.

    should i primer
    should i use a bit less RnB
    its frustrative !
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version. 

Name:	problem.jpg 
Views:	435 
Size:	67.4 KB 
ID:	17643  
    Last edited by AdmFrancis; May 16, 2007 at 9:37 AM. Reason: was not ready
  24. JangoUri's Avatar
    Member Since
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    857
    May 16, 2007, 11:01 AM - Re: Uneven Rub-n-buff on BKBT new armor?? #24

    Quote AdmFrancis said: View Post
    (maybe i used to much RnB )
    Exactly.
  25. AdmFrancis's Avatar
    Member Since
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    356
    May 16, 2007, 11:40 AM - Re: Uneven Rub-n-buff on BKBT new armor?? #25

    Quote JangoUri said: View Post
    Exactly.
    ..thx a lot uri

Similar Threads

  1. How to make armor with Sintra, Rub & Buff, and weathering
    By SEEKER in forum Prop Building Workshop
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: Apr 22, 2008, 10:29 PM
  2. New BKBT Foot Armor
    By bigkidbiggertoys in forum Jango Fett Costume
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: Jun 10, 2007, 6:13 AM
  3. New BKBT Armor Pieces
    By bigkidbiggertoys in forum Jango Fett Costume
    Replies: 48
    Last Post: Jun 9, 2007, 4:26 AM
  4. BKBT Chest Armor Run
    By bigkidbiggertoys in forum Jango Fett Costume
    Replies: 40
    Last Post: May 23, 2007, 2:38 AM
  5. BKBT armor on new vest
    By Jango 5204 in forum Jango Fett Costume
    Replies: 29
    Last Post: Apr 6, 2007, 10:26 PM