Discussion on New Jango Helmet! within the Jango Fett Costume forum, part of the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy Bounty Hunters category; There are not too many options for a Jango helmet
There are not too many options for a Jango helmet & I wasn't happy with just filling the dent of a Boba helmet. This is an extensively modified sculpt that has not had a component or surface reworked or scratchbuilt. What you see is a combination of fiberglass, styrene, resin, epoxy & body filler. I will be making a mold of this later this week so I can cast up a fiberglass copy. PM me if you would like a personal showing.
Last edited by bigkidbiggertoys; 01-25-2005 at 08:03 AM. Reason: new pics added
I wanna see more pics!!!!
WOW,,,,,, How much?
Wow! Great job. That looks fantastic
Hey Vince! Nice work( Congrats.!) and as I mentioned before,
You can put me at the top of that list for 1 of these Bad Boys!
More pics please!
shunned/BH-8899
Very nice! How big is it?
Here are acouple more pics. I'll try to get one up compared to a DP standard in the next day or two.
Man... that's another expensive prop I'm going to have to buy!
Great job, man! Can't wait to see more pics!
Man!!! That's pretty![/B] Want One!
Wow, that is nice! I'd too like to see more pics!
I agree, definitely want more pics and boy it is always nice to see another Jango helmet option
It's very nice looking, but its still lacking on some Jango details. It still looks like a modified Boba helmet.
It look very good..most impressive
A couple more detail pics. I'll get some more of a side by side comparison by a Don Post standard.
Awesome, Include me in the interested group!
wow!!!!!
Nice. I'll echo the "How Much?" thing..
Double Wow!!
Interested.
I can see into your future...
you are....going to become....in demand...LOL!
Nice sculpt buddy!
Mason....
What details are missing? It looks unreal to me! Perhaps it would appear different painted up. Good work BKBT.Originally Posted by Foxbatkllr
Firstly, the cheeks/mandibles are off. This is my biggest gripe with the Boba to Jango converted helmets. Jango's cheeks aren't as "deep" as Boba's. It's pretty clear that if you look at the cheek/mandible area on Jango's helmet that it is more "upright" rather than deeply slanted into the helmet. I don't have one specific picture which shows this...because it is pretty evident to me at least in a number of photos.What details are missing? It looks unreal to me! Perhaps it would appear different painted up. Good work BKBT.
Secondly, the profile view isn't quite right. Look at this picture: http://pluto.spaceports.com/~lms/ms6.JPG
BKBT's helmet appears to have too much forward slant to it...and in the other profile picture it looks like the dome is too high. Also, the upper earpiece which is supposed to be flush with the lower earpiece, seems to be sticking out a little bit too much...but maybe it sticks out more on certain shots (i.e. different helmets...there were 4 hero helmets alone).
Don't get me wrong, I think BKBT's helmet is quite nice looking but it hasn't reached near the level of accuracy that Boba helmets have.
Last edited by Foxbatkllr; 01-19-2005 at 03:35 PM.
very nice there bkbt. keep us posted.
kevin
You have done an extremely great job on that!!!
Well I put in an order for some silicone & should be ready to go on the weekend. I'll keep updating this thread as new developments occur. Thanks for all the positive responses & I will answer all your PM's eventually.
I'm sorry, but I can see no major differences between Jango's and Boba's bucket. Ok, there's this earpiece modification, but I doubt that Jango's cheeks aren't as "deep" as Boba's and … man, we're talking about a Marrow_Sun: with the Mystery Helmet, the most accurate Fett bucket available …
VERY NICE! I can't wait to see it all painted up. I wasn't planning on doing a Jango, but now....hmmm
If you look at direct comparisons between the 2 from all angles, they are definitely different.
With all due respect to Marrow_Sun, he didn't sculpt the Mystery Helmet...
There are many many differences between a Jango helmet and a Boba Helmet.
BKBT's helmet is great looking and a good alternative to the Boba helmets out there. It doesn't have any crookedness or warpage in the T-Visor, the ear details are already correct, and the dent is already filled in. I personally prefer judz dwedd's helmet, but outside of that I'd highly recommend BKBT's helmet. It's not perfect, but its better than using a regular Boba helmet.
Look at this image attached and look at the red lines. I realize they aren't the same angles completely, but its irrelevant as you can see the difference is quite great. Make sense?
i think it do the job , its better than a rubbies
and how many people can tell the difference other than us
i think it do the job , its better than a rubbies
and how many people can tell the difference other than us
I didnt even know there was a difference untill just now. Not like im a expert on the matter. I still like the helmet.
Foxbatkllr hates Bigkidbiggertoys. JK! Your helmet looks like a white pre-pro! which is awesome.
All points are valid to some degree. It will prolly be more a matter of taste obviously! I've tried on one of Judz Dwedd's buckets and while I dig his work and skills, the bucket way small for my taste ,but non the less a great piece!
just my .02!
shunned/BH-8899
Also, exacerbating the differences in BKBT's photos is a fair amount of "pin-cushioning."
Attached is a comparison of RS's original Fett plug showing a photo taken by the original owner and a photo later taken by PhotonMagic. To date, it's the best example of how photos can become distorted.
Last edited by Tyler Durden; 04-13-2005 at 10:57 PM.
It is all a matter of perspective...
I may have some Jango-Boba comparrison pics for us later this evening
Another thing... when you wear this thing, people in general are going to either go... "Wow! Cool! You're Boba Fett (regardless of color, version, whatever)"...or say this..."Wow! A Stormtrooper! Cool!" and we are a over-thunkin' it! HA!
Still looks cool despite the longer face, or rounder dome, or too deep cheek indentations, (or different focal lengths of the respective cameras, or lens angle, or aperture length), or reference, or whatever.
Chew on that...and the current color is still cool!
Later Friends,
John
It is good to see that reference pic side by side. In fact, it was one of many that I used. It seems to me that there is a great deal of difference in the helmet shapes depending on which publicity photos you are looking at. I have another pic that shows the dome quite rounded where the one in the above has a bit of a flat to it. Photography probably plays the major difference in the photos. Looking at the above comparison again, my helmet looks a little squashed in the sides & the dome is rounded too much. Just a trick from the camera or digital artifacts? I am no expert in that field but the helmet proportions are distorted a bit.
I think some of it is artifact- either camera artifact or positioning artifact.
Freaking awesome work my friend. Even if it is not 100% accurate down to every last detail I think it looks darn close. I am going to put it on my list of great helmets.
Use the highest resolution on your camer then try to take the pictures as far away from the helmet as you can. Then crop the picture of just the helmet. the closer to the helmet you get, the more the helmet will be distorted.
Exactly.
You know the fact of the matter is BKBT has done a amazing job of creating a clean and detailed Jango helmet. There are few helmet conversions on the market that consist of more than filling in the dent and sanding off the borden connector. I view this helmet as a huge stepping stone on the path to obtaining perfection. Instead of picking apart depth and angles we as a community should reflect apon the positive details and improvmennts. I believe that this helmet will be the most "wearable" helmet available. Some of the details with this helmet that inspire me are the overall clean lines, the nicely rebuilt earcaps and rangefinder, well done visor section and keyholes. I personally can not wait for someone to paint one of these bad boys up and hopefully I'm lucky enough to obtain one myself! Keep up the great work!
Last edited by MARROW SUN; 01-21-2005 at 12:30 AM.
Well said MARROW SUN. It looks to be a vary fine helmet. And I to hope to have one in the future.
Wow, What a sweet lid !Awesome work BKBT.
That is sick man ! Real sick.
I believe in what Tyler is saying...if you look at that one pic compared to the side pic, the distortion makes sense.
BK- can you do what Seeker said...pull back. I think we will see a much better representation of the shape of your helmet.
As for the moment, I am still blown away ! (PM sent !)
This is not a perfect comparison by a long shot, but this should start to give you a hint of the differeces in the cheeks between boba and jango.
Thank you Brak's...that comparison shows some of the major differences. As for the rest of you, I can't believe some of your reactions. I thought this forum was for achieving accuracy and perfection. At least I know that's the case in the Boba forums where constant photo comparisons are made and criticisms are taken to heart. In this forum the motto (with the exception of a couple of people) seems to be "it's good enough."
I realized the pin cushion effect but that is not relevant to the cheeks as you can tell from other photos of BKBT's helmet the cheeks are still deeper like Boba's. And its still a great alternative to Boba helmets. If I had the money i'd probably purchase one myself, but i'm just trying to give BKBT and others feedback for future improvements.
p.s. My theory about the differences in the cheeks is that Temuera has a fat head (like myself) so they had to make more room inside by making the cheeks shallower.
Last edited by Foxbatkllr; 01-21-2005 at 02:40 PM.
Here we go again.........
Thanks for the pic, Braks. That photo clearly shows that, yes, there are differences between the helmets, as we knew, however, even with all the changes, it's very clear that the helmet started out as some sort of Boba helmet and not an entirely new sculpt.
Last edited by Tyler Durden; 04-13-2005 at 10:58 PM.
That is awesome Brak's, thanks for the compare
The question is...considering the size of Jango's helmet is smaller than Boba's helmet...then what Boba helmet did they start out with?
I am not convinced the overall size is smaller. The dome is def different and I believe it may be smaller and as tyler pointed out, I believe the bottom has been trimmed, and a great deal has been reworked ut I do not necessarily believe the helemt is ACTUALLY smaller.
There is a problem with that idea though. Temuera Morrison is 5'7" and Jeremy Bulloch is 6' but the helmets, proportionately look the same size. Actually in some shots Jango's helmet looks even smaller proportionately to Jango than Boba's does to Boba. How can that be if they are the same size?
I think build wise, Temura is broader than Jeremy and that would allow him to wear the same helmet as Jeremy and have it look proportinately ok. The shorter dome would also help too.
I suppose that's possible...
I believe there is an abundant lack of concurrence by the esteemed Fett-experts on this forum about shape. There also appears to be a lack of consistent comparison of helmets from a variety of sources. As posted in this string, I see two images (on several occasions) that are compared in replies or remarks...but the positioning in the X, Y or Z axis may be off by as much as 2? or more in one or all of the axises, which makes for a flawed analysis, hence opinion, therefore making many of the arguments and complaints moot.
Also, in many of these images, there is noticeable inconsistency and unverifiable conformity or uniformity of image collection, and without quantifiable or logically undertaken analysis protocols that pertain to the afore mentioned focal length, camera position, pincushion of digital images-versus film-versus screen cell scans, aperture length, lens angle and other factors in relation to the helmets in their variety of settings...how can a picture posted on TDH convince us "Hey, that helmet is wrong". My DP 95 is wrong...that is for sure!
As we know, a 35 mm camera or digital mid-level consumer quality digital still cameras, coupled with an array of consumer-quality laser measuring devices (and the likelihood these measuring devices were fabricated in a less than perfect clinical or scientific setting - possibly using unsophisticated materials to attach the calibration array to the measuring camera - possibly even duct tape or dremel tools - nonetheless a clever, yet crude tool utilized by an eager prop maker, but not a person with valid scientific, analytical and pertinent photographic training in calibration and measurement of such devices and the intended subject).
But...I may be wrong too, and everyone else is right.
Things that make you go hmm....
Oh and one more thing...Mirax SST suit looks super cool!
By your logic then, nothing can be compared because none of the comparisons are perfect. I'm going to disagree with you that the DP-95 is wrong. Since no two pictures can be compared, then I'm going to have to say the DP-95 is just as great as Marrow_Sun's helmet.
Sorry, man. The cheeks are different. As well as a number of things.
Looking at the side by side comparison of Brak's pics, I do see differences in the helmets. If the pics are overlayed then you can see that the details are not as great as one might expect. I'm going to throw something else out there to consider; PAINTING could play some part in the cheek difference as well. I know from experience that you can change a detail a bit by not following the lines exactly. I did this to correct some inconsistancies when painting my old helmet & jet pack.
I am not trying to defend my work, you either like it or don't. I KNOW it is not perfect but at least I will now have a clean helmet with sharp lines & no filler & I am happy with the end result.
Last edited by bigkidbiggertoys; 01-21-2005 at 09:51 PM.
But do you agree that Mirax looks awesome in Dizzy's pants? Can we agree on one thing? Mirax looks like she is goin' on a bug hunt!
Anyways, I'm done. BKBT, your helmet is awesome. I was just a little disappointed that the cheek difference wasn't addressed because nobody so far has made that adjustment. I thought maybe I could give some feedback but I didn't realize it would turn into this. You did a good job though, and it still is mighty nice looking.
Foxbat, I meant no harm, you and I were just presenting our individual points of view...and it is never done, because Marrow Sun just came out with a new bucket and you and I need to go over to his string and debate his interpretation of the precious bucket that we care so much about. At least we do not have to discuss such mundane topics as politics, or the degredation of the morals of people in general...all I know is I am a bucket head, and if I had enough cash I would buy a MS-1, this BKBT, the new MS-2 and your DP95, or Mystery helmet or whatever you wear on your suit!
Stay cool, and I will see you on the MS2 string.
John
Taken to PM, so as to not further derail BKBT's thread.
Yup, I agree too Vince. I did this on my latest bucket too to try and make it more Jango accurate.
As I said before, I can see no major differences between these helmets and I'm pretty happy with my Marrow_Sun.
Anymore updates on the Bucket progress?
shunned/BH-8899
Well I went back & reworked a couple of small details. I closed in the mandibles a little more & corrected the right ear cap so the rangefinder post would stand vertical. I'm sure I could go on forever with this but if I am ever going to have this ready for C3 I'll have to stop. My silicone is ready to go so hopefully by the end of the week I'll be almost done the mold.
Please add me to the list.
this will be a nice upgrade on my suit. I'm very happy with what I have now, but I just would like somthing lighter. mine has alot of bondo and extra stuff.
add me to the list as well.
kevin
Can't wait for mine ! thanks for the update BKBT!
shunned/BH-8899
Wow are you guys actually arguing about this whole thing? Well whatever its over, that was weird... I am very impressed with the craftmanship and prefectional efforts put into this helmet, and would hope to atleast see one someday.
Hey SEEKER, are you going to put the Arena dent into yours again?
Last edited by askywalker98; 01-25-2005 at 04:23 PM.
hhhmmm - it depends what it's made from. But then again why would I? I'll have two Jango helmets.
I say keep this one PRISTINE !
Vince, could you post a straight on back shot for us of the entire bucket? Thanks!
****. People around here are always thinking of new and creative ways to take my money!!!!!!
Sean
Glad to!
Wow! That looks awsome! OSK, I thought you sold your Jango in the cargo hold not so long ago.
Heck, if it's good enough for Seeker, it's good enough for me!
Interested!
hhhmmm - it depends what it's made from. But then again why would I? I'll have two Jango helmets.
nope, it didnt sell. i still have it. (kinda happy bout that too!)
sean
Thanks Vince.
Wait a minute?!!! If Temura is 5' 7" and Jeremy is 6'...and Boba is supposed to be an unaltered clone of Jango...Where did the extra 5" come from????
HAHA! I'm not gonna touch that one!
...Where did the extra 5" come from????
well keep in mind that diet and lifestyle in the formative years can really really make a difference!Wait a minute?!!! If Temura is 5' 7" and Jeremy is 6'...and Boba is supposed to be an unaltered clone of Jango...Where did the extra 5" come from????
I'm sure that Boba was very well taken care of on Kamino, as far as nutrition goes, etc. Jango, however, probably had it a bit more rough (given the looks of him), which I'm sure stunted his growth a bit.
OSK
LOL OSK!
you Rock!LMAO!
shunned/BH-8899
Well, y'know, the helmets in the ref pics could also , quite possibly be a stunt or other version that Lucasfilm saw fit to put in their museum/tour.
Anyway, Extremely beautiful and clean helm, I'd love to have one on my shelf! Do you have a price and produdtion timeframe?
Keep up the great work,
Geo
I'd love to see one of these painted up. How far off is that?
OSK
painted ? Pashaw...I still think rub and buff is the best way to go on this one. Turo's helm in person still is unbelievable after all these years. I can't wait myself...thanks vince. I thought I was DONE with Jango...but NO, you had to win me back.
actually ....you had me at "hello."
lol..these new emoticons are awesome.
Man, you got me all misty nowactually ....you had me at "hello."
lol..these new emoticons are awesome.
Mothermold will be finished tomorrow
Hee.hee.hee!
I can't Wait!
shunned/BH-8899
how quickly this thread digress
Ahhh! The smell of fresh fiberglass!
This is untrimmed, straight from the mold. There is no filler, primer or seam lines. I will answer all PM's regarding this now.
If I was doing Jango I know where id get my helmet from,, very good job!!!!!
Awesome mold . . .
Job well done!
Jango Shmango! I'm gettin' one of those and puttin' a dent in that baby and making a Boba! Awesome work!!!
At the end of the day its a great effort in trying to recreate Jangos bucket, I converted my mystery helmet into a jango and although I was pleased with it, it took alot of work, with bondo and sanding and basically re-building the earpieces, I say EXCELLENT WORK!!
How much by the way?
I am definately new to this sort of thing (making a Fett costume.) I am adamant about making one, but I have no idea how to even start making a helmet in such detail. How can I do it? Can someone please help me?! What materials are involved, paints, etc? Someone pllllleeeeease help!!!!
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