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    Re: Machined westar interest thread/sign up

    I'm interested in two full blasters...but I cannot fully commit without pricing or a prototype...

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    Re: Machined westar interest thread/sign up

    ditto.

    very interested though!

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    Satxer said: View Post
    Keep in mind, it is also Sunday when you sent the Emails.
    Sent the first one on thursday, got the answer saturday, sent another the same day. He still hasnt replied.

    Thanks everyone for your interest

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    Re: Machined westar interest thread/sign up

    Ah, my bad.

    Either way, pending on the quote, I may be interested.

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    Sorry guys, still no response. Im starting to get a bit upset/worried about this :/

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    Are the designs in cad already? I dont remember seeing the full cad from WOF.

    I can get you a rough price to work off of from one of my clients.

    Ill mail him and ask him roughly.

    A good machinist, can look at a piece, know what kind of 'stock' he needs, what that stock costs, and _roughly_ how much it would be.

    For him not to give you a 'ballpark' is a little questionable to me.

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    They probably think we are just some geeks expecting to pay under $100... so he's not wasting his time. I hate that...or they quote you extremely high so it will scare you off...

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    ItsThatGuy said: View Post
    They probably think we are just some geeks expecting to pay under $100... so he's not wasting his time. I hate that...or they quote you extremely high so it will scare you off...
    Thats something Ive been afraid of. If that should be the case, then I'll just drop him like a dime. If he wont take us seriously for this, then its disrespectful, and I dont deal with those people.

    Stormrider, the WOF templates Im sure are in CAD form already. All the pieces have been broken down, and given measuremnets, diameters, ect. Its broken down to the last details. All that the machinist would really have to do is program the automated mill to do the work.

    The level of detail requires automated milling, becuase hand made would be very time consuming and much more expensive. On top of that, a hand made blaster wont be that consistant either. If he has the technology for this, then I would appreciate it if you can put him in contact with me.

    This current person, Im not sure whats going on with him, but if I cant get an answer by next week, Im going to drop him and move on to someone else.

    -tubachris

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    If you ever do get a response I am also interested, pending price

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    i would also be in . dependant on price !!!

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    The client of mine has giant 3d cad run machines. They look like the machines that they use on 'american chopper' to cut their 3d aluminum rims and such.

    He makes aluminum and steel pieces for harleys and buells. I am 100% sure he can make just the barrels fairly simply. The whole blaster, I do not really know what will be involved.

    The only real problem with it is that you will get some milling marks.

    If you asked me, I would say your lookin gat a two piece blaster at least.

    Barrel and grip.

    And I believe you about the WOF templates, but theres more than goes into it than just 'putting in the dimensions'.

    If his drawings are actual 'cad' drawings, and they are 'good' geometry, meaning no funky polys or open spines, they will be good to go.

    I will get his contact information for you.

    I had asked him about making saber hilts, and he said it was a piece of cake, but the high quality aluminum is pricey, and the harder it is, the more 'consumable' tools you go through.

    Because I have never actually _done_ 3d cnc fabrication, I do not know exactly what he means, if its bits or what. I have howevef done the 3d work for the plastic molds for game controllers, and its fairly time consuming. But again, im no pro, and a pro could probably do it with much quicker.

    I realize that WOF is very talented, and I have seen some of his designs, and they are great. I was only asking if they were truely cad cut ready drawings.

    If I were to guess, your talking about 100+ in just aluminum each gun, depending on the quality you use.

    What type alum are you thinking you want to use? Have you priced materials?

    Pricing your materials would help you a lot when you talk to machinists.

    Being able to say 'The handles can be cut in x pieces, from a 100mm x 300mm x 30mm piece of 2011 (not as strong as 2024 but cheaper), or 7075 (aircraft grade) and the barrell assembly from a alum tube 40mm diameter x 550mm long (Im just throwing numbers).

    Total retail price of the aluminum is going to be roughly $93 per piece + shipping.

    Then you find out 'how many cuts/passes etc it would take to make the shape.

    The type of aluminum, also determines how smooth it will be, and how long it will take to cut it.

    Heres some alum info for you to start with.
    Next to steel, Aluminum is the most commonly used and commercially available metal. Its light weight and high strength-to-weight ratio make it a good choice for everything from aircraft to flashlights to jigs to just about anything else you can make out of metal.

    Pure aluminum, primarily seen in the 1xxx series of wrought aluminum alloys, has little strength, but possesses high electrical conductivity, reflectivity, and corrosion resistance. For this reason, a wide variety of aluminum alloys have been developed.

    OnlineMetals.com currently stocks six alloys of aluminum in various shapes and sizes: 2011 Aluminum (available in Hex, Round)
    2024 Aluminum (available in Plate, Rectangle, Round, Sheet, Square, Tube)
    5052 Aluminum (available in Sheet)
    6061 Aluminum (available in Angle, Channel, I-Beam, Pipe, Plate, Rectangle, Round, Sheet, Square, Tube)
    6063 Aluminum (available in Angle, Channel, Rectangle Tube, Square Tube)
    7075 Aluminum (available in Plate, Round, Sheet)


    2011 Aluminum
    2011 is the most machinable of the commonly available aluminum alloys. Machining this alloy can produce excellent surface finishes on your product, and small, broken chips.

    Weldability, strength, and anodizing response are all rated as average at best, and this alloy does not have a high degree of corrosion resistance.

    If the ability to make your part quickly is important to you, and strength is not the primary desire, 2011 represents a good choice if you're using aluminum.

    2011-T3 Aluminum
    Minimum Properties Ultimate Tensile Strength, psi 55,000
    Yield Strength, psi 43,000
    Brinell Hardness 95
    Rockwell Hardness B60
    Chemistry Aluminum (Al) 91.2 - 94.6%
    Bismuth (Bi) 0.2 - 0.6%
    Copper (Cu) 5.0 - 6.0%
    Iron (Fe) 0.7% max
    Magnesium (Mg) 2.1 - 2.9%
    Lead (Pb) 0.2 - 0.6%
    Silicon (Si) 0.4% max


    2024 Aluminum
    Copper is the main alloying ingredient in 2024. It is very strong compared to most aluminum alloys, and has average machinability, but the copper component of this alloy makes it susceptible to corrosion (many items in this alloy are produced with a clad surface to protect the underlying material.) In addition, 2024 is not considered to be weldable.

    Finally, the fatigue resistance of 2024 make it a primary choice when the application is expected to be under stress or strain for prolonged periods. It is commonly used in aerospace applications.

    2024-T3 Aluminum
    Minimum Properties Ultimate Tensile Strength, psi 70,000
    Yield Strength, psi 50,000
    Brinell Hardness 120
    Rockwell Hardness B75
    Chemistry Aluminum (Al) 90.7 - 94.7%
    Chromium (Cr) 0.1% max
    Copper (Cu) 3.8 - 4.9%
    Iron (Fe) 0.5% max
    Magnesium (Mg) 1.2 - 1.8%
    Manganese (Mn) 0.3 - 0.9%
    Silicon (Si) 0.5% max


    5052 Aluminum
    5052 is the alloy most suited to forming operations, with good workability and higher strength than that of the 1100 or 3003 alloys that are commercially available.

    5052 is not heat-treatable, but is stronger than most of the 5xxx series of alloys. It has very good corrosion resistance, and can be easily welded. 5052 is not a good choice for extensive machining operations, as it has only a fair machinability rating.

    5052-H32 Aluminum
    Minimum Properties Ultimate Tensile Strength, psi 33,000
    Yield Strength, psi 28,000
    Brinell Hardness 60
    Chemistry Aluminum (Al) 95.7 - 97.7%
    Chromium (Cr) 0.15 - 0.35%
    Copper (Cu) 0.1% max
    Iron (Fe) 0.4% max
    Magnesium (Mg) 2.2 - 2.8%
    Manganese (Mn) 0.1% max
    Silicon (Si) 0.25% max


    6061 Aluminum
    6061 Aluminum is, by most any measure, the most commonly used aluminum alloy. It is specified in most any application due to its strength, heat treatability, comparatively easy machining, and weldability. If that were not enough, it is also capable of being anodized, adding a layer of protection for finished parts.

    The main alloy ingredients of 6061 aluminum are magnesium and silicon.

    6061-T6 Aluminum
    Physical and Mechanical Properties Ultimate Tensile Strength, psi 45,000
    Yield Strength, psi 40,000
    Brinell Hardness 95
    Rockwell Hardness B60
    Chemistry Aluminum (Al) 95.8 - 98.6%
    Chromium (Cr) 0.04 - 0.35%
    Copper (Cu) 0.15 - 0.40%
    Magnesium (Mg) 0.8 - 1.2%
    Manganese (Mn) 0.15% max
    Silicon (Si) 2.8 - 3.8%
    Zinc (Zn) 1.5% max


    6063 Aluminum
    6063 is often called architectural aluminum for two reasons - first, it has a surface finish that is far smoother than the other commercially available alloys, and second, its strength is significantly less (roughly half the strength of 6061), making it suited for applications where strength is not the foremost consideration.

    6063 is rated as "Good" for forming and cold working operations, "Excellent" for anodizing, and "Fair" for machining.

    6063-T52 Aluminum
    Minimum Properties Ultimate Tensile Strength, psi 27,000
    Yield Strength, psi 21,000
    Brinell Hardness 60
    Chemistry Aluminum (Al) 97.5% max
    Chromium (Cr) 0.1% max
    Copper (Cu) 0.1% max
    Iron (Fe) 0.35% max
    Magnesium (Mg) 0.45 - 0.90%
    Manganese (Mn) 0.1% max
    Silicon (Si) 0.2 - 0.6%


    7075 Aluminum


    7075 is the other "aircraft grade" aluminum that is carried by OnlineMetals. Its principal alloying ingredients are Zinc and copper, which make it one of the highest-strength aluminum alloys that are available. In fact, its typical strength in the T6 temper is higher than most mild steels.

    7075 also has average-to-good ratings for machinability, corrosion resistance, and anodizing response. Like 2024, however, it is not considered to be weldable. 7075-T6 Aluminum
    Physical and Mechanical Properties Ultimate Tensile Strength, psi 83,000
    Yield Strength, psi 73,000
    Brinell Hardness 150
    Rockwell Hardness B87
    Chemistry Aluminum (Al) 87.1 - 91.4%
    Zinc (Zn) 5.1 - 6.1% max
    Copper (Cu) 1.2 - 2.0%
    Chromium (Cr) 0.18 - 0.28%
    Iron (Fe) 0.5 max
    Magnesium (Mg) 2.1 - 2.9%
    Manganese (Mn) 0.3% max


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    Im no expert, but im trying to help you in your endeavor, so that you dont get taken advantage of, and so your prepared to move fast when you find your outlet.

    Ill try to get you in contact with my client.
    Mason

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    6061 is cheaper than I thought.

    A two foot length is going to be $38 and custom cut for 2 bucks a cut.

    The grips, are probably going to be 1 in thick, 4 in wide by 6 in tall cubes.

    Extruded rectangle (boards) one foot x 6 wide x 1 thickness is about 50 bucks.

    Now, im not sure what other pieces you need.

    Id say, retail wise, your going to be under 100 in supplies a piece.

    Onlinemetals.com seems to have a very nice website, which should help you a lot.

    Im sure glad I stayed at a holiday inn express last night.
    mason

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    Wow, thats alot of information! I read through them all, but still am trying to take it all in. I see that you know more about this then I do. Now Im not really sure 100% which kind to use though for these westars. Based on your last post however, would you suggest the 6061? Thanks!

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    Stormrider said: View Post
    Id say, retail wise, your going to be under 100 in supplies a piece.
    Don't mean to be negative, but lets say 2 guns, 100 bucks each for the supplies. That's 200 bucks. Then you gotta figure the labor involved and shipping. These could run close to the real thing from MR.

    I would be in for a set of blasters if I can get them for around 300-350 dollars total.

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    Don't mean to be negative, but lets say 2 guns, 100 bucks each for the supplies. That's 200 bucks. Then you gotta figure the labor involved and shipping. These could run close to the real thing from MR.

    I would be in for a set of blasters if I can get them for around 300-350 dollars total.
    I told the machinist that we are aiming between 200-400 for them per set, but told him we would prefer the cheapest price possible

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    I'd be very interested depending on price estimates as well.

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    tubachris85x said: View Post
    I told the machinist that we are aiming between 200-400 for them per set, but told him we would prefer the cheapest price possible
    Ok. Are these going to be completely finished when they are shipped to us? Like, no painting, no assembly, no additional parts required? Obviously weathering would be required if you're into that.

    Second question... how hard is it to get a hold of one of the MR blaster sets?
    I can understand if they are completely sold out everywhere and nobody wants to give them up, why this machining endeavor would be a necessary task.

    I'm new to this. Ignore me if I'm asking stupid questions.

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    thesilverspyder said: View Post
    Ok. Are these going to be completely finished when they are shipped to us? Like, no painting, no assembly, no additional parts required? Obviously weathering would be required if you're into that.

    Second question... how hard is it to get a hold of one of the MR blaster sets?
    I can understand if they are completely sold out everywhere and nobody wants to give them up, why this machining endeavor would be a necessary task.

    I'm new to this. Dont ignore me if I'm asking good questions.
    FIXED

    1st answer: If they go through, they should be completly made and finished, according to the machinist. I sent him this link to use as a reference for how they should be assembled. However, we wont know just yet. Im going to send another email to him, but we'll see, as the "zen master" says..

    2nd answer: Extremely hard to get. I was fortunate enough to get a set for myself for a very reasonable price too. The sad thing is that people on ebay are charging up to $900 for a set of MR's, and that dosnt help anyone who's trying to piece together a good jango that would already be up to $1500+ more already in pieces alone.

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    **UPDATE**

    As promised I also hae been sourcing out a couple of engineers in the UK. Has anyone got some good shematic / drawing s that I can forward on to my contact.

    The added advantage of the guy I found is his whole family are SW costumers and they own a custom CNC engineering firm.

    Please forward drawings / data to my email: adamfield5@hotmail.com

    Thanks guys, al least we havea backup ... just in case :-)

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    Spacescopie said: View Post
    **UPDATE**

    As promised I also hae been sourcing out a couple of engineers in the UK. Has anyone got some good shematic / drawing s that I can forward on to my contact.

    The added advantage of the guy I found is his whole family are SW costumers and they own a custom CNC engineering firm.

    Please forward drawings / data to my email: adamfield5@hotmail.com

    Thanks guys, al least we havea backup ... just in case :-)
    Just sent you the WOF diagrams

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    Im thinking 6061 yes. But the machinist will cover all that with you. He will know which ones will have the right finishes, and will do what you want. I think 7k alum is just too hard for this application.

    The RC car parts we have made, are done in 6061 cheaply, and 7075 for the expensive ones. But they hit walls going 50 miles an hour. Your pistols should be able to be done with the cheapest alum.

    The other question is does any of it need to be 'anodized' or is it all base color. Only part of that alum can be anodized.

    Im looking at the link you posted for kropserkel, and the gun doesnt look as bad as I thought.

    The barrel is probably 18 dollars worth of materials. The grip is another 30. Now, im not sure how the grips go to gether, but it appears they may be three pieces, or two pieces (both sides with a hollowed out insert).

    The emitter, and rear of the gun are not that big ofa deal. The main body isnt so bad either.

    The grip will be a nightmare for anyone but someone really good at cad to create. I notice theres a 3d design on the site, But again, 3d 'visual' and cad are two different animals.

    The grip is almost hand chamfered. It looks like it was sculpted, and then die cast or something. Its not a perfect chamfer so thats where the most of the design work will go in on the cad drawings, and thats where you have the most room for error.

    I think that you have about $50 worth of components here + the machining.

    I think its doable for a blaster for 150 bucks.

    Im not sure if aluminum is a 'tumble' polisher or not. But some metals are 'tumbled' in a vat of ceramic beads, and it makes it shiny/buffed. Regardless you have at least 3 fimishes in here, which is a little extra money.

    If you can get past the hand grip part, your golden.

    Again, im not trying to be a jerk in any way, I just dont want you to get taken advantage of.

    And my client has not returned my email yet, but he will and I will ask him for a quote and to contact you at least for a second opinion.

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    it's nice to see resources coming together for this project and i am totally in for a set when we get it nailed down. i knew with the amount of talented folks on here someone would be able to grab this baby by the horns and ride the full eight!

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    I've forwarded the drawings on to my contact.

    I should be able to report back with availablility and price within a week, giving us a back up plan. Its always good to have a "Plan B"

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    Thats brilliant Adam,

    Let us know how you go on.

    Cheers

    Tony

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    Spacescopie said: View Post
    I've forwarded the drawings on to my contact.

    I should be able to report back with availablility and price within a week, giving us a back up plan. Its always good to have a "Plan B"
    Thanks, I hope it works out

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