Cruzer Jango leg armor project--revisited

Hey guys, over the last month or so I've gotten a few PMs about shin armor. So, I've decided to revisit this project in hopes of getting something made up that's worthy of molding and can help meet member's needs here.

So my first question is...what height should the shin armor be?... 8", 8.5", 9" . Idealy, I'd like to scale the shin armor for someone in the 5'9"-5'10" range so that with minimal work it could be trimmed down if necessary.

Let me know what you guys think.

Thanks,
Cruzer

My scaling according to pouch size, the westars, and the standup (reduced by the amount that it has been oversized) is that the middle triangle of the shin should be approximately 9" tall. Although in some measurements it goes down to about 8.5".

I think anything to fit someone 5' 10" would be sweet. It's a pretty average height i think. I am very excited to see what you come up with. Definitely in for a set! I think anywhere between 8 and 8.5 would be ideal.

nice fox!

Nice pics Fox. That's exactly how I measure my stuff.

Here are my measurements. The only thing is that I didnt use the MR's to do my shins. But this is what they look like. I made my to fit my body meausements.

on to the pics.







And this is what it looks like on a 5'6" 165lbs person

Ummm...why don't you just mold those up and save me a lot of work here!

I thougth you have already finished them. But I'm talks with someone to mold my entire suit sometime in the summer.

Well, if you honestly think you'll be pumping these out by this summer and will be providing them to members in need, then I don't need to spend time on revisiting this project. I was just stepping up to do it because of BKBT's break and to meet the need here. So, sweet, I can do something else!

Please make them!!!!

I'm not sure if it will happen this summer at all, or if we'll have them for sale purposes.

MAKE THEM! MAKE THEM! MAKE THEM!

I agree. Make them!

pa-pa-pa-pleeeeeaasee!?????

Yeah, Cruzer. I don't think I've sent you enough money yet. :P Make them, please! However, this time I'll go for the extra shipping. I'm totally craving the gauntlets and holsters! Oh, and just to throw an off-topic thing in here, if you do a backplate run near the time you do the shin run I'll opt to save a little shipping .

I second that, PLEASE make them!!!

oh yeah and a cod too, I need one of those as well!!!

Oh pretty please make these! I would deffinitly love a pair. Also I think the westar measurement is a good thing to go off of also.

I say 9 inches as the smaller folk can crop off the bottom. I personally dont know if I will buy a set as even 9 inches will not be tall enough but dude.......No offense Turo you are short!! And 8 1/2 looks perfect on you so to Lorenzo I say 9. Easier to make them smaller than bigger.

Now Lorenzo if you start felling frisky and want to build a set say 9 1/2 or 10 inches tall and sell me just the styrene parts I would be interested!

Well, I'm in the 5'8" to 5'9" range, but I have shorter legs and a long torso. I'd rather have too much than too little, though.

I'm in the same range height-wise as Cruzer and Seeker and I also take offense to the "small folk" talk. We prefer the term "Temuera Accurate."

Seriously though, I think 9.5" is fine. My measurements show them to be about 9" long and 9.5" looks fine on Turo. I wouldn't go any longer than 10". One of the things I remember about seeing these in person was just how small they looked on the mannequin.

Trust me guys when I say far better shorter then taller. The world is made for thos 5'6" to 5'10". Like I said easier to trim down than add bondo to make em bigger!

And they dont call me "The worlds biggest Jango" for nothin' LOL

It was pretty funny to see Temura do a double take and look up! LOL

here's a pretty good picture of some size differences. Tem is about 5'8" or 5'9"

I think 9.5" would still work. Here, check the gap difference.

Thank you for taking on another project Cruzer. I think 9.5" to 10" would be fine. I can't wait to get a pair.

I will def be interested in a set once you get them going Cruzer.

I have no doubt that they will finish up spot on like your other things.


Tony

I'm in for a set. I think 9 to 10 inches would work. Can always shorten the shins if need be.

Im always up for sending Cruzer more money , I would definitely be in for a set

Iam in, the taller the better, being that iam 6' 2".

Thanks for the input guys. So right now, I'm thinking that 10" would be idea for most people and still leave room for trimming at the bottom if necessary. Let me know if this doesn't sound good.

Sounds good, and hopefully it will still look accurate when trimmed to the screen worn size.

10" sounds good.

Originally Posted by Foxbatkllr

Sounds good, and hopefully it will still look accurate when trimmed to the screen worn size.

What would you say is the accurate screen size? Because if we've got Turo wearing 9.5" shins, then the 8.5" or 8.75" thought previously may have been way off. I want to make them as accurate as possible, but you're right, I don't want to compromise accuracy if trimmed.

Well, according to the Westar measurements, I think the accurate size would be 9". Plus, we have this picture to go off of: http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/showp...4&postcount=51

My vote is for Screen Used size.
Looking at Turos scaled pics, and using the westar as a measure, that looks to be slightly under 9.5".
Thats the length I'd want them.

And Turo, what up with that pic: Jango and Boba MIXED!!! You have Boba and Jango pouches, Boba Vest, and a Boba sidearm!!
LOL.

OSK

With an architect's scale ruler like the one Darth Steven used and a picture of it from the matching perspective as his picture of the shin, we could probably figure out the exact measurements. Of course, if he could just tell us what he measured that'd be even better.

Well, I'm heading to the Sci-Fire shop today to specifically fabricate Jango shins, and then mold the shin armor along with my already fabricated boot armor. If I can, I'll squeeze in some thigh armor, but we'll just have to wait and see. I'll shoot some progress pics later tonight of what we were able to come up with.

Cruzer

Sweet! I need shins really bad. I was about to make my own because I wasn't sure if you were going to finish yours.

Fox - that broken image on your scalling pictures. What was it? did you eraze the image?

I didn't do anything to it...for some reason that link just doesn't work. Anyway, I replaced the image with a new link to it just now.

Cruzer

In addition to my other order I could do with some shin and boot armour as well.....

John

Cool thanks. I have some personal notes that says to save the images that Fox posted in Cruzer's shin armor thread.

Thank you. Images saved.

I just like to keep things you know.

Awesome news. I can't wait to see the shins. I am sure they will look great.

ditto, i am definitely interested in some shins!

Here's how the shins currently look. The center channel is exactly 9.5" long, so the entire shin is about 10" from top to bottom. I could probably stand to concave the bottom sides (on the shorter sides) a tad, however, I'd rather they err on the wide side in order to accomodate wider or larger shins/calves, and so they don't look too tight on flightsuit legs.

Let me know of any suggestions.

Thanks,
Cruzer

The center channel should be slightly concave, if you catch what I mean. Like it should be "bowing" inward if that makes any sense. I also think the center channel is a little too wide at the top, making it taper a little too much.

looking good!

primer those suckers up so that we could see them better.

Originally Posted by SEEKER

primer those suckers up so that we could see them better.

+1, and are you still planning on doing the boot and thigh armor at the same time?

Those are looking really good!

They look great Cruzer! If they are a little wide it gives everyone the option to trim them down themselves. I like them the way they are.

Cruzer, do you just want me to get you a card for my bank account? I've sent you more money than the IRS and I don't think it's gonna end any time soon. They look awesome and I can't wait to get a set!

Thanks guys. I may tape off about a quarter of an inch off the sides just to see how they'd look trimmed. Other than that I think I'm done with the shins.

Here's the boot armor. It's shaped to what I feel is very close in shape and size to those seen in some of the ref. pics like those below.

For now, this is all the work I can do on the leg armor project due to having to get the last gauntlet orders out. However, I have plans to start on the thighs and knees immediately after.

I appreciate any suggestions you have on making the pieces more accurate.

Thanks,
Cruzer

Do you think you'll have knees and shins ready to go before Comic-Con? Those are the only two pieces I'm lacking to be complete.

LOVE the shins, great work as always Cruzer! I wish I would have seen this thread earlier, but FBK and Seeker have been all over you LOL

I am in!

I'm not sure. Because the items are molded at the shop, I have to work around their schedule. All I can do is get everything ready for molding asap so this project can move as quickly as possible.

Originally Posted by Foxbatkllr

Do you think you'll have knees and shins ready to go before Comic-Con? Those are the only two pieces I'm lacking to be complete.

Sweetness!! Looking good L. Great to hear you are working on the knees as well. Keep up the awesome work!

My palpal combination is '12345' just log in and take what ever you need.

ahahah...ok, I'll put that combo away for future use.
I'll be molding the shin and boot armors this weekend if I'm at the shop again.

As for the knees, I'm undecided about what width would be best: 4.75", 5", or more? Once I know what width to go, the rest will fall into place. Oh, and we have decided to do molds for both fiberglass and Hyper-Firm rubber for the knees.

thanks

Width in what way? I would say go on the smaller side. The size of the current knees out there seem too large, IMO.

OH OH OH OH !!!!! ME ME ME ME !!!! I want hyperfirm Jango knees. Lets start a list. I'll measure my knee width tonight and let you know what it is. I believe they were BKBT molds, if I'm not mistaken, so the scale should be good.

...looking good minnie me

...just bring what you need to get molded and we will have them done...so long as you dont get Foxbatkllr any items ok I keed, I keed...

...exceptional work as always...

Yeah, you're so much taller..."Willow"!

Here's some build-up pics of the knees' basic shape.

Cool, I look forward to seeing the progress!

Alright, I decided to scrap those knees and start over. They didn't have the right shape I was looking for at the knee cap...too round and too wide. I need to find something closer to the shape seen in the cap below:

Cruzer - dont you have my mold for my knees? why dont you use them? You could always make a copy and build on to them. I know mine need to be expanded as per your picture you just posted.

I would love some hyperfirm knees.

or make me a copy and I'll build them up for you.

What is hyperfirm knees?

Hyperfirm knees would be sweetness....pure sweetness.

GO LC GO!

Thanks Seeker. I didn't want to copy your knees so I'm trying to come up with my own sculpt. However, the silicone on those molds wen't big time south, and won't even stay put on the fg jacket anymore. The latest pulls for Lewis were all wonky. If all else fails, I'll resort to them, but I'd prefer my own sculpt if possible...if possible. Plus, Fabrizio says your knee armor is not very accurate!...ohhh!

MaulFett, hyperfirm is the "catchy" name of the rubber like material that Sci-Fire makes their guns from. So basically they would be very flexible/virtually indestructable knees.

Ok, That is interesting, rubber kneess.......mm

Originally Posted by Cruzer

Thanks Seeker. I didn't want to copy your knees so I'm trying to come up with my own sculpt. However, the silicone on those molds wen't big time south, and won't even stay put on the fg jacket anymore. The latest pulls for Lewis were all wonky. If all else fails, I'll resort to them, but I'd prefer my own sculpt if possible...if possible. Plus, Fabrizio says your knee armor is not very accurate!...ohhh!

MaulFett, hyperfirm is the "catchy" name of the rubber like material that Sci-Fire makes their guns from. So basically they would be very flexible/virtually indestructable knees.

Thats cool. Can you make me a copy of my knees? I'll like to give it a shot and fix them up. That way I could make Fabrizio happy.

There is a few minor flaws in mine, but havent had a chance to get back to them. When I made mine, there were hardly any images like we have now. Even if they come out wonky send me a set. plus paypal address for shipping and services.

thanks man.

Yeah, gotta keep Fabrizio happy...he's a big cry baby! Yesterday was his birthday.

I'll see what I can do about making two more pulls. I have to fight just to keep the silicone down the whole time in some areas.

Your backplate will go out tomorrow, so I'll have to ship the knees later.

Cool man. If it wasnt for Wizard World coming up. I would have worked on the knees I have now. I could have just worked them to Fabriozos specifications. and send them out to you to mold them up. I always wanted to redo my knees, but my fiberglass buddies have just been pretty busy with other projects.

thanks man.
turo

Hyperfirm knees! I am definately in for a set. Thanks for working on these projects.

Hyperfirm knees?. Man, that would be so awesome and I would
love to get a set if the project goes through.
Cruz, Keep up the great work dude!...

I tried PVC for mine, very hard, very light, and easy to cut, just apply a little heat to make it fit your knees and you are good to go. The battle damage looks very cool and real after painted, you can actually scar it very nicely.

It sounds like the best direction to go in here is for me to pull a copy of your knee armors and send them to you, you modify them, and then ship them off to Lewis and JB for hyperfirm molding.

This will save me a lot of time and allow me to dedicate more of it to dialing in the boot armors, constructing the thighs, modifying and molding the cod you sent me, and finishing my rubber Westar project.

Thanks bro!

Who is Fabrizio??

Fabrizio = VACCA BOIA



(Sorry Cruzer for highjacking your thread)

Originally Posted by Dark-Side

Who is Fabrizio??

Hey Loanstar...what does "vacca boia" mean?

I worked on the shins a little more. Let me know if there's anything I need to change, otherwise I think I'm going to go ahead and drop them and the boot armor in some silicone.

Thanks

The shins look great!!! I'd say those are ready to go! They look spot on, definitely put me down for a set.

shins look good, but thr boot armor is off. you need more curveture towards the toe area.

Very interested pending a price

wow. would these look goofy small on somone of a 6'2 height?

well come to think of it i will likely not be able to ever get boots my size. i currently wear 16s and could pull off 15s but ill still need to make the boots my self so ill probobly go for best screen accuracy and use 10s or somthing on my mannequine

It should be really good on my Kenneth Cole 8) (I have a size 10)

Nice work Cruzer!

Since the shin and boot armors are at points I'm satisfied with, I decided to now drag my thigh armor project out of the unfinished projects bin (f.y.i. the unfinished Seeker cod project is next). Here is the right thigh. I'll be finishing up the left one this week and getting them ready for molding. I still need to adjust the curvature from side to side just a tad. They will be approximately 11.25" tall along the curvature on the center line, and about 9" wide along the curvature on the center line.

Hey Lorenzo,
Your Shin and Boot armor turned out great! I think
you are a go!

Lookin awesome sir!

thanks for thinkin bout us tall guys

You are going to put me in the poor house Lorenzo.

Wes

Ditto on what Jango_Wes said. Thanks for thinking of us "average height" guys, though.

I just found this thread today after being off the boards for a while. I am in need of Jango thighs and shins. I am 6' 2".

Just a small update. I ditched my first thigh prototype and made entirely new masters for the thigh pieces. The second masters are made wider and taller to fit about a 5'10" person. They'll also be trimmable to fit a shorter/smaller person.

I then began noticing how the curvature of my first thigh proto had a curvature similar to the shoulder pieces. So, after toying a little with WOF's template and studying pics from the Jango Reference CD, I made a proto shoulder armor. With that, I've now decided to continue my Jango armor project to include the rest of the upper body pieces. I'll get started on this part of the project after I receive some screen-cast parts soon.

Add all of this to a pull of Seeker's Jango cod he asked me to make modifications to and gave me permission to mold and cast...and hopefully I'll have a whole set of Jango armor ready to drop into silicone by the middle of next month.

Oh, and don't let me forget to mention I'll be making a new backplate mold. And, I also ordered a gallon of special resin to hopefully produce a few sets of all this stuff in cold cast.

Thank you to everyone for their patience with this project!