Thanks again for the kind compliments my man, appreciate it. I'll be happy to help ya out as much as I can
Discussion on Resculpting my Fett armor within the Boba Fett Armor forum, part of the Star Wars Original Trilogy Bounty Hunters category; Thanks again for the kind compliments my man, appreciate it.
Thanks again for the kind compliments my man, appreciate it. I'll be happy to help ya out as much as I can
holy **** this is one awesome thread great work man when i am ready to either build or purchase these pieces maybe next year ill have to order from you.
Thanks mate, appreciate that!
Loving this buildup. Lots of good ideas, keep up the good work!
Thank you very much Chris, appreciate the kind words. I'll hopefully have more to post up soon, stay tuned
Ok remember how I said that I still wasn't done with this armor and was going to go back and revisit it (for a third and FINAL time)? Well it has begun.
Armed with more knowledge and sculpting experience, more reference material and most importantly Rafal's incredible templates and knowledge, I have decided to tackle this one last time (cause I really am getting sick of it lol...but I like to screw stuff up 3 or 4 times before I get it right...you know, just to be sure)
Before I begin, I want to reiterate just how instrumental RF's templates were in the creation of this new armor. Without them, this new kit would not look the way it does/will. The way I see it, he is just as much the architect of this V3 as much as I am. Many of you may not truly realize (and I didn't until I recently started sculpting this new kit) how difficult a thing it is to take 2D pics and make accurately scaled templates out of them to be able to use for 3D creation. I sculpted this stuff using his templates and my mind is still blown by how he did it (and accurately I might add). Again, my hat's off to you Rafal, you sir are true asset to this community and your hard work has paid off greatly for all of us. I can't thank you enough.
I would also like to give a special nod to Fett4real for putting up with my incessant texts and questions about dents, etc. My hat's off to you as well Dom. You, sir, are a wealth of knowledge and I thank you for your help (you're not a bad painter either :P), you are also a great asset to this community and my hat's off to you as well.
I suppose that's enough babble, let's get on to what we're really here for...pics!
One more quick thing before I begin, there's going to be a lot of the creation process that I'm not going to be able to show you because it involved me recasting some of my own work (obviously for a good base to start with and to speed up my process so I don't have to start from scratch on every single piece, although I had did have to scratch sculpt some of them nevertheless). In the interest of keeping re-casters at bay and my secrets...well, secret (this is a source of income for me after all)...I have opted not to show you that part of it but I will show what I can. Suffice it to say that I have discovered an extremely fast way to go from sculpting medium to vac table buck...it took a long time for me to figure that out and I'm just not willing to share that yet (maybe one day when I get out of the game but not now). I hope it doesn't sound selfish because I really do want to share this but I know that it will be exploited and I'll likely be creating more competition for myself and that's not really a good idea obviously.
That being said, we'll start off with the big boy first...the backplate -
The necessary tool
I'm going to have to jump forward to the mold (sorry guys) but I will share with you all how I did the JP slots (these were quite a PITA I might add lol)
Here's some shots of the final piece (in styrene, .090)
That's it for today. Collar is up next, stay tuned!
Wow! That looks great will!
As I already said to you, you really did an amazing job and I can't wait to see the whole armor done!
... And thanks again for the much too kind words, Will!
Thanks again Dave More to come very soon, keep your eyes peeled!
Levi, couldn't have done this without you my friend, thanks again for your awesome templates (and exhaustive research info) mate!
More progress -
Collar is done. I did make a slight adjustment to RF's templates (even though his are accurate) in order to keep the piece more symmetrically mirrored (also to keep it properly lined up with the backplate shoulder tabs). Plus, it's aesthetically more pleasing, I think...at least I like the way it looks better.
So in a nut shell, I basically recasted my V2 collar and made the necessary adjustments. It still has the nice same snug fit as the V2 version. This was a pretty much straightforward piece to make, not really much in the way of 'progress' to report, but I did add pics of it lined up with the backplate.
I had a discussion with RF about the dents and was surprised to learn that the two smaller dents on the inside towards the neck are in 'oh so slightly' two different places...it's not even perceptible with the two collars lying next to each other (like an 1/8" inch) but I don't even question RF anymore, that dude is on it and I trust his research completely...but for accuracy's sake I made two molds. I did make an adjustment on the far right dent on the ROTJ collar vs the ESB in order to give it a bit of a distinguishing character (with so many versions of the dents on these pieces floating around [hero, stunt, ESB, ROTJ, MOM, AOSW, etc] it's frustrating to decide with which one to go with and that will be later revealed with the knees). Again like I said, I just went with RF's templates and made one adjustment on the right dent (left in the picture)
ROTJ on top, ESB on bottom
Here's some pics of how it matches up with the backplate -
That's it for now, LOTS more to come VERY soon
Last edited by redkraytdragon; Oct 14, 2013 at 4:44 PM.
PayMent sent for the V3 knees. Will is the coolest person to deal with and has good patience for a newb like me.
This is really impressive. Looking excellent!
Awesome stuff! New kidney plate, collar plate, backplate, and new knees. Some very tempting items...
Thanks again guys, appreciate it
That's not all Necro....get ready.
I really see no point in dragging this out any longer, so here goes: I have been hard at work in the Armory for the last 2 months busting my exhaust port day after day (that's what insomnia and OCD will get you) and I'm finally almost finished with this new kit. Again, I cannot stress enough my highest praise for RF's templates...they really are the shizzle folks and if you have any reservations about using them to make your own armor, well don't...they are spot on, and after finishing up the chest set I'm still amazed at their accuracy.
So grab a seat and make some popcorn ...you should probably go to the bathroom too and get that out of the way cause we're gonna be here a while
Ok, knees are done. I basically just re-sculpted the caps and bodies from scratch and re-used my old knee dart housings and 'F' shapes. Honestly they were close enough to where it didn't warrant making an entire new set of them and I just really didn't see the point (not to mention that my foam knee dart installation kits will work with both V2's and the new V3's). Make no mistake though, even using the existing parts this still took me quite a bit of time (about 2 weeks) and effort and making two sets of molds is not fun, not to mention that the undercuts on these bad boys are a nasty thing to deal with. Here are the finished parts in detail
For the right knee dent, I finally settled on this image. Again, maybe not the absolute correct one but with MOM, AOSW, SE, stunt, hero...ugh I'm sick of it all already. In the end, I liked this one the best (in case you were wondering) and decided on it lol
Now on to the shoulders. I actually did this one first because relatively speaking it was the easiest and I already knew exactly what direction to take with it. I used this following image for reference for the shape (as well as some others floating around, but this one was a very telling photo for me)
Here was the first master hot off the table...I had planned on making both ROTJ and ESB from the very beginning so I knew that I'd be making 3 molds of this thing - smooth, ROTJ and ESB. I poured the first mold then rinse and repeat for the other two. After that was the (not known at the time) dreaded task of carving out the dents. The ESB was the hardest obviously and I actually wound up screwing that one up the first time before getting it right the second go around (had to fill in with rondo and recarve...yeah, good times). Again, not totally 100% accurate, but pretty d@mn close and I'm happy with it so...
Working on the ROTJ dent
And ROTJ set
Finally, the much dreaded chest set. I was NOT looking forward to this at all (even after all the research I had done on it over the past year) but I had an idea of how to approach it (I'd hoped) and it wound up being the correct way (luckily). There were two different angles I could have started on this from, and I'm pretty sure I chose the right one (for me anyway...the vertical curve)
Again, I apologize that I cannot show you how I sculpted these, but I wish to keep my methods my own (for the time being at any rate). However, I do keep records of all my progress pics from start to finish should the ugly "R" word ever come in to play and will gladly show these pics should the need ever arise to defend my sculpting abilities and integrity.
Thanks to Dom for pointing out to me about the ROTJ dent on the right breast plate (which is absent on the ESB version). Up until then, I had no idea about it and even questioned him as to where/how he knew about this. He did show me the photo and that was enough for me. Seeing this same dent on ROTJ RF's chest template only solidified it for me.
(hard to see in the photo, but it's there)
Armed with that knowledge and RF's templates, here's what I came up with (after about 20+ hours of screaming, shouting, crying and throwing of things..uh, er I mean sculpting...till all hours of the morning)
And here's the ROTJ set with the dent on the right breast plate
With all that out of the way, the pics below show where I'm REALLY at on this project as of right now. All I've got left is the cod, which I'm going to print out Levi's template and see how it stands against my current V2. Shouldn't be too much work to crank that piece out, it was pretty straightforward as far as the Fett armor went and should go pretty quick.
And the ROTJ set
That's it for the moment folks. I'll be looking at finishing up the cod this week (hopefully) and will post pics and final 'family' group shots of the kit. I'll be revisiting the gauntlets, but not until next year. I have some other pressing irons in the fire to tend to first.
Thanks again for looking and all comments are welcome.
Last edited by redkraytdragon; Oct 17, 2013 at 2:41 PM.
WoW Will, this looks really nice. Will be ordering more of it soon.
Finally, some accurate dents for the ESB/ROTJ abdominal plates (it's the same piece) and the ROTJ right chest plate! I just hope that this feature too will be added to the ROTJ left gauntlet ==> The Boba Fett Suit Fact Files - Post #49.
The v.2 vs v.3 chest plates from those images were/are made by Fettpride, and I think the images were reposted by KaanE (I also saved those images in my PC) in one of Fettpride's threads.
Your work is amazing (I know I repeat myself, but this is the truth) and I can't wait to see the family picure of the whole set!
Spectacular new version Will , i predict you will be busier than ever before.
I'm also curious if the new armor is the same size as your last version? in particular the chest and belly pieces?
cause i know some guys say that V2 fits the larger guys frames better. So just wondering would this V3 fit the more general or regular size guys?
How much does the back plate cost?
dang, now I need v3. just when you think you are almost done......
Put me on a list for the chest/ab set!! No rush my v2 is good for the moment, thanks
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RF is correct Beans (thanks for chiming in Levi ). This new kit will be made for medium range sized guys. I believe it is more 'studio scaled' per RF's templates. I've met Jeremy in person and I believe his right at 6' (correct me if I'm wrong)
Terrek, I have not decided on a cost yet, but it will be slightly more expensive than my V2 backplates, but not by much (I'm thinking $10 more at the most), due to the difficulty/accuracy of the sculpt...not to mention that I have not raised my prices on anything since I started offering my V2 kits a few years ago despite the rising cost of ABS (those prices will remain the same for the foreseeable future, in case anyone was wondering)
Dick, I got ya covered my man. I've got a couple more minor final tweaks to do to the molds (as well as few more test pulls) and I should be good to go for production. Hit me up again by the end of the week and I can get you taken care of on those parts
Thanks again all for following and the kind comments and encouragement. I'll keep you all posted as soon as the cod is completed. Stay tuned!
Thanks again for the comments guys, much appreciated.
More to come soon!
You and Raf are a deadly accurate combo. Wow.. just wow. The contours on the chest/ab set look amazing.
Man I can't wait to get my order in. Anybody want to buy some music gear?! LOL. Looks great Will.
Thanks again guys, I really appreciate the feedback.
As stated before, in my opinion Rafa is just as much the architect of this armor as I am and without his templates this armor would not look the way it does. HE is a true scholar and a gentlemen
Quick update, I finished blocking out the cod last night. Hope to have some photos to post up by early next week
I have the V.2 armours on my SE Fett, and although the costume has been 501st approved costume, and very succesfull with the girls, there has been something troubling me about it... The chest armour seemed to be a bit too large, and flat, as you have now remade the moulds.. Nice work on them, I really like them!
Here is my Fett, currently...
Helmet is Bobamaker, Chest armour, yours, V2. Gauntlets, yours with reworked with fiberglass parts. Cod, steel, my work, knees, your V2.
I have some metal chest armour bits I originally meant to use on my Fett, though... I them made years ago, and they fit your V2. armour perfectly inside, just as you would have been vac formed over them... I am thinking of adding my metal armour on my Fett, as it will set the jetpack weight a bit forward..
Still your new V3 armours are tempting... VERY TEMPTING...
It seems that I really need to go over my metal ones, and add a hammer bang here and there, to get them even near to your new V3 armour!
If I am not succesfull, you will get some work for me, as well...
Great work with the V3, I REALLY like them!
Chibi, thanks for the kind words and yes I remember your build and costume VERY well (I think I even saved a few pics to show other people your work on it). You did an outstanding job on it!
Well here's another update (and final for a while, until I tackle the gaunts next year some time) on the V3 kit. This cod took me a bit longer than I originally anticipated, but I didn't want to rush through this just cause I was at the end (it was hard not to though I'll admit) and forced myself to give it the same care and attention as all the other pieces. Another huge thanks again to RF for his incredible templates. I must say I didn't expect the piece to look quite this way when it was done (particularly the lower groin area), but I'm very pleased with it and it was very comfy/form-fitting when I tried it on.
On to the pics.
After blocking out and finishing up the mold, I started working on the raised flat area with dent (out of wood). Kind of a pain, but worth the extra effort and this is pretty much how I did my other V2 cod mold as well. That method worked out pretty well for me so I decided to use it again on this piece (don't fix it if it ain't broke right? )
Here's the template (I really like the way Levi made this and the tiny little sharp 'tabs' connecting the lower groin frontal sides to the belt sides are a nice feature)
Here's the wood plate and bits in progress
I decided to just make these little guys out of wood. It's a great working medium for this type of stuff and also hard enough for vaccing as well as conducive to heat resistance
Some might think this next part is a little overkill, but it was my homage and salute to RF for taking the time to add such detailed curves to every aspect of these templates...I figured if he's going the extra mile, why shouldn't I (yes I'm paying attention to all of it brotha! ). As you'll notice, there's a slight indented curve on the front bottom of these...
And here they are all attached to the mold
So the large center dent that I cut out of the wood didn't look right in the first test pull, so I filled it in with some 'Rondo' and tried again. I usually will carve it out with the sharper bit shown then switch over to a ball bit and then finish it up with final sanding for smoothing out (very happy with that method)
And here it is in all it's white plastic glory....Cod, meet the world....world, meet my... uh...cod
One thing I should mention (and some of you might remember it from earlier in this thread) is that I widened the kidney/butt plate just a tad in order to give it a beefier look (it was pretty narrow looking, even though I know RF's templates are spot on). Naturally, in order to keep the matching cod the same in proportion and consistency, I had done the same to it as well. I pretty much just added a half inch to the top edge of the cod itself (cause it was pretty small) leaving everything else below it as is (I did have to make an adjustment for the raised rectangles and larger dent). Have no worries though, all the dents are still in the same spots for painting purposes and Rafal's templates should still line up correctly (albeit just lower) with them.
Here's how it matches up with the kidney -
And of course, as promised, here's the final 'family photo' of the new V3 family
And ROTJ Set
I'll try to get some size comp pics up with this kit and my V2 in a few days as soon as I get a chance, so everyone can see the differences.
As always, thanks again for looking and stay tuned for more in the 'not so far far away' future
Wow! You did a more than great job with that cod plate and you really outdid yourself with those 2 kits!
...And thanks again for the kind words!
Received my V3 knee armor and extras, thank you.
**** it RKD, you are making me want to replace my BM armour.
Wow...thank you for that kind compliment!
Been hard at work in the shop again. I finally finished up what I will now be referring to as my V2.1 armor (slowly replacing some of the pieces from the V2 set) for large guys. The chest set has been completed and is the same size overall as the previous V2 only with the more accurate and ergonomic compound curves (the same as my V3's). ROTJ pictured below, but I will also be doing ESB (which is basically the same except for no dent on the right breast plate) Here's some pics, enjoy!
Bells up next, stay tuned!
I can never remember which of your armor versions is equivalent to which of the WOF template sizes -- for reference/comparison purposes. I want to make sure I get the right size.
And chibifett -- I'd suggest getting a full dentless set of this armor in white and going Supertrooper. I'm planning out two sets, myself, currently. One for me and one for a friend. I'd love to see a full squad at C7.
Also, a confirmation from RafalFett -- Do I see it correctly that I should go with the ESB version when doing Pre-Pro 1 armor?
Last edited by Peregrinus; Dec 9, 2013 at 6:42 PM.
All that to say, only slight trimming should be needed to make this v3 armor fit guys under six feet.
Here's how it breaks down Jonah -
V3 = Medium sized (akin to WOF medium size templates, but not based on them), studio scale per RF's templates
V2 = Large sized (akin to WOF large size templates, and based on WOF large size)
It's kinda confusing because the sizing is a bit backwards when referring to it in those terms. I kept the version titles on each as is because my V2 was my second attempt and V3 my third attempt correspondingly and wanted to keep those in that order solely in terms of what order I made them
Hope that helps cause I want to make sure you (and everyone else) gets the right size as well. Glad you brought that up so I could clarify!
I think you're right on Jeremy's size (as well as his loss of some due to age). The V3 is closer to what he wore, according to RF's information and scaled templates
While the upper dent is pretty close, the lower dent is positioned more to the right.
On a side note: you can see the repainted Pre-Pro #1 abdominal plate in the AoSW/C-IV exhibits, while the ESB Hero abdominal plate was repainted and now is part of the ROTJ Hero suit, which is present in the MoM, DaG and SWtE exhibits.
That's pretty interesting Rafal, I didn't know that. As always, thanks for sharing!
Thanks, indeed. So for my friend's PP1 project I'm going to go with IOA for all the armor pieces save the belly plate and the left gauntlet... *jots down notes* I need to print out a WOF template piece to double-check what size my steel armor is -- I know it's either medium or large, but I can never remember...
That's a lovely bit of reading material, there. You're one of my favorite kinds of people in this hobby. Driven to root out the facts, however it might clash with long-held ideas about how something was.
At the risk of slight derailment, have you thought of tackling the Supertrooper/PP1 flamethrower? Especially the nozzle bits. I've done a bit with it, but haven't had time to properly delve.
Also, what did they use to close the non-ROTJ gauntlets? They abut so cleanly the seam almost disappears, so it's not the visible hinge a lot of people use on their builds. Nor is it the overlap with velcro that the ROTJ used. Magnets? Hidden hinges?
Back to you now, Will.
PP sent for ROTJ cod/butt/back. Thanks!
Thanks Ken! PM replied
Received Cod/Butt/Back armor. Looks great. Thank you as always.